Trump: California Causes Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific (and other crazy things)

[Darkwind]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


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TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

A progressive state official disagrees with Trump.

Imagine that.

 

[Correll]

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So, you got anything to show that he is wrong? Or is that just something you assume and expect others to blindly agree like mindless and ignorant sheep?

You must be as stupid as the idiot trump not to understand that all rainfall in California goes into the Pacific Ocean. It's the natural flow of water in that state.

Just because the idiot trump's mindless minions have zero consideration for the environment does not mean others will fall into line behind their ignorant and destructive policies.

The echoing of the idiot trump's stupidity by his mindless minions speaks volumes in explaining their own stupidity.

Wow. Just wow.


Yes, eventually all the water will flow into the ocean.


There is a difference between just being sent to sea,

and being held in a lake behind a damn for months and then used for drinking water, and pissed against a tree, and being used by that tree, providing foliage and shade, and continuing to work it's way though the environment for years, before reaching the ocean.



That you did not realize that, shows that you are the dumb ass here.

 

[Correll]

Fire breaks and ecological water use, are hardly right wing talking points, dumb ass.

Hey, dipshit, I think the fire fighters know when and where to clear forest to aid in their efforts. They dont need the Retard-in-Chief to tell them how to do their jobs.

YOu jumped on this because you were so ignorant you though what he said made no sense.


Now you are walking it back to, you think his advice was unnecessary.


You are not fooling anyone, lefty.

I’m not walking shit back.

Donald is a god damn idiot, and so are you.

You did not even know what a fire break was, in the op.

I know what a fire break is. But more importantly, fire fighters battling the fires in California know what a fire break is without that fat sack of shit in chief trying to tell them how to do their job.

Actually, I have a great idea. Fat body in chief should strap on some fire fighting gear and show them how it’s done

If you knew what a firebreak was, you could not have resisted the chance to make fun of him for not knowing or using the proper terminology.


I taught you that.


Your thread title refers to "crazy things".

Now we see that what he said wan't "crazy" but "Obvious" and "True".


The real story here, should not be what he said, but that you lefties are so consumed with hatred, that you feel you have to attack him on such a minor statement.

 

[jknowgood]

Douchebag-in-chief can’t thank firefighters for their services, or express condolences for victims of the wildfires; but apparently, he’s an expert on fighting fires.

Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific

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As California wildfires claimed their seventh victim, Donald Trump finally weighed in on the tragedy with one of his most confounding tweets ever, blaming California for the blazes because it “diverts” water to the Pacific Ocean.

He also blamed the state’s “bad environmental laws” — the most protective in the nation — and trees. He called for a “tree clear to stop fire spreading.”

He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.

The tweet came just days after the Trump administration moved to scrap tough vehicle emissions standards — initially established by California. The move would clear the way for vehicles to pump an additional 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by 2030. That’s the equivalent of the entire annual emissions of Canada.

He was telling the truth. If you clear the under brush, fires don't spread as quick.

 

[jknowgood]

Douchebag-in-chief can’t thank firefighters for their services, or express condolences for victims of the wildfires; but apparently, he’s an expert on fighting fires.

Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific

View attachment 208753

As California wildfires claimed their seventh victim, Donald Trump finally weighed in on the tragedy with one of his most confounding tweets ever, blaming California for the blazes because it “diverts” water to the Pacific Ocean.

He also blamed the state’s “bad environmental laws” — the most protective in the nation — and trees. He called for a “tree clear to stop fire spreading.”

He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.

The tweet came just days after the Trump administration moved to scrap tough vehicle emissions standards — initially established by California. The move would clear the way for vehicles to pump an additional 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by 2030. That’s the equivalent of the entire annual emissions of Canada.

So, you got anything to show that he is wrong? Or is that just something you assume and expect others to blindly agree like mindless and ignorant sheep?

Yeah, it doesn’t take an expert to understand that “tree clear” won’t fight wild fires. And to say that California is diverting water to the pacific is just asinine.

How about the Orange Dumpster Fire back up HIS claims with facts for a change? That doesn’t matter to you though, right? Whatever he says is the gospel.

Go wipe your chin, kid.

They did divert water to save some little fish. Screw the humans.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Douchebag-in-chief can’t thank firefighters for their services, or express condolences for victims of the wildfires; but apparently, he’s an expert on fighting fires.

Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific

View attachment 208753

As California wildfires claimed their seventh victim, Donald Trump finally weighed in on the tragedy with one of his most confounding tweets ever, blaming California for the blazes because it “diverts” water to the Pacific Ocean.

He also blamed the state’s “bad environmental laws” — the most protective in the nation — and trees. He called for a “tree clear to stop fire spreading.”

He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.

The tweet came just days after the Trump administration moved to scrap tough vehicle emissions standards — initially established by California. The move would clear the way for vehicles to pump an additional 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by 2030. That’s the equivalent of the entire annual emissions of Canada.

And Trump's crazy sycophants will defend Trump's ridiculous lies.

 

[Correll]

Douchebag-in-chief can’t thank firefighters for their services, or express condolences for victims of the wildfires; but apparently, he’s an expert on fighting fires.

Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific

View attachment 208753

As California wildfires claimed their seventh victim, Donald Trump finally weighed in on the tragedy with one of his most confounding tweets ever, blaming California for the blazes because it “diverts” water to the Pacific Ocean.

He also blamed the state’s “bad environmental laws” — the most protective in the nation — and trees. He called for a “tree clear to stop fire spreading.”

He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.

The tweet came just days after the Trump administration moved to scrap tough vehicle emissions standards — initially established by California. The move would clear the way for vehicles to pump an additional 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by 2030. That’s the equivalent of the entire annual emissions of Canada.

And Trump's crazy sycophants will defend Trump's ridiculous lies.

It's been established in this thread that they are not lies.


The crazy lefties have moved on to, what he said was so obvious that he should not have bothered saying it, cause the firefighters already know it.


So, you going to hold fast to the old talking points, or pivot to the new?

 

[jknowgood]

Douchebag-in-chief can’t thank firefighters for their services, or express condolences for victims of the wildfires; but apparently, he’s an expert on fighting fires.

Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By ‘Diverting’ Water To Pacific

View attachment 208753

As California wildfires claimed their seventh victim, Donald Trump finally weighed in on the tragedy with one of his most confounding tweets ever, blaming California for the blazes because it “diverts” water to the Pacific Ocean.

He also blamed the state’s “bad environmental laws” — the most protective in the nation — and trees. He called for a “tree clear to stop fire spreading.”

He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.

The tweet came just days after the Trump administration moved to scrap tough vehicle emissions standards — initially established by California. The move would clear the way for vehicles to pump an additional 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by 2030. That’s the equivalent of the entire annual emissions of Canada.

And Trump's crazy sycophants will defend Trump's ridiculous lies.

No lie, clearing the under brush does slow down fires. Also California did divert water to the ocean to save some darter fish.

 

[Norman]

Leftist going berserk because Trump said correct things.

Episode... infinity?

 

[EverCurious]

Related: Alaska, in combination with a similar national program, actually gives out special titles (and most insurance companies give discounts) for clearing underbrush to prevent fires. - Firewise Communities/USA and the national site NFPA - Firewise USA®

CA is... weird.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


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TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

Also known as another Trump lie.

 

[mudwhistle]

Doesn't trump have enough on his hands without now being an instant expert on California? I mean, there's a whole crew of crotchety old maid right wingers posting crap about California at any given time on usmb. They have Califonia covered. Trump needs to do the job he's paid for like playing golf, goofing off and getting his knowledge from fox news and drudge, insulting athletes and just about everybody else, tearing little children away from their parents and locking them up in cages, figuring out how he can make his alpha male putin like him more, on and on.

Obama was goofing off. He needed something to do to keep his mind occupied, so he invited championship teams to the White House. He even went back several years and invited teams from years ago. He wanted to collect a bunch of jerseys. He even invited the 72' Dolphins to the WH.

Miami Dolphins: Three '72 Dolphins pass on White House invite

 

[kiwiman127]

What do the California Fire Official have to say?
Fire officials to Trump: No, California didn’t worsen wildfires by dumping water into ocean
<Snip>
Peter Gleick, a hydrologist and founder of the Pacific Institute think tank, has been debunking the president’s claims with one blistering tweet after another:

Peter Gleick ✔ @PeterGleick

Oh, and one last thing. #Water in California rivers isn't being "diverted" into the Pacific. It all used to flow there. What little #cawater reaches the sea now is all that's left after farms and cities have diverted most of it out of rivers.

7:07 PM - Aug 5, 2018

<Spim>
That’s a different issue from fire management, experts say, and there’s no shortage of water in the areas where wildfires are happening. For example, the Mendocino Complex Fire is burning near the expansive Clear Lake. Farther north, the Carr Fire is surrounded by multiple bodies of water from different directions: Shasta Lake to the east, Trinity Lake to the west and the Sacramento River snaking across the nearby city of Redding, to name a few.
Fire officials to Trump: No, California didn’t worsen wildfires by dumping water into ocean

Also:
Trump's Tweets Conflate Wildfires and Water Access

 

[McRocket]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


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TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

A progressive state official disagrees with Trump.

Imagine that.

Then why don't you post links from unbiased sources that prove Trump's moronic post right?

 

[bendog]

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized.

Which of course - as stated in the OP article, is total nonsense.

It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

Yeah Donnie. They are called 'rivers'...dumbass.


Damn...is this prick stupid.

And many Trumpbots think he is 'a genius'?

Which of course the Trumpbots will lap up, even knowing it's bs, simply because Trump pushes it and they need to find Ca an enemy.

 

[Siete]

meh- President Shitforhair, aka Tallahassee Tail Genius just misspoke

 

[idb]

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized.

Which of course - as stated in the OP article, is total nonsense.

It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

Yeah Donnie. They are called 'rivers'...dumbass.


Damn...is this prick stupid.

And many Trumpbots think he is 'a genius'?

Which of course the Trumpbots will lap up, even knowing it's bs, simply because Trump pushes it and they need to find Ca an enemy.

His divisive rhetoric is astonishing.
Not only is he turning the US against the world, he's turning Americans against Americans.

 

[tyroneweaver]

'President Donald Trump is claiming that California’s water policy is shortchanging firefighters of water to battle the state’s raging wildfires. That’s not so, according to wildfire and water experts.

A look at his tweets and the facts behind them:

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

THE FACTS: That’s not what state experts say.

“We have plenty of water” for battling the massive blazes burning in hills north of San Francisco, said Scott McLean, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The current spate of wildfires happens to be within range of large Northern California lakes and the state’s biggest river, McLean said.

Nor is having enough water a problem in battling California wildfires in general. Firefighting aircraft can dip in and out of cattle ponds or other small bodies of water to scoop up water for dropping and spraying on flames. When fires burn in an area that happens to be without ponds, lakes or rivers, state officials typically call in more planes to ferry in water, McLean said.

California’s battles over divvying up water in the arid state are unending, but a battle between firefighters and the Pacific Ocean hasn’t been one of them, according to Jay Lund, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime analyst of the state’s water wars.

Trump’s claim “is so physically impossible, you don’t even really want to respond,” Lund said.

For one thing, the wildfires are in the hills, far from the Pacific Ocean and from the man-made storage and distribution system that carries water from California’s wetter north to the drier, more populated south.

The state’s recently ended five-year drought killed millions of trees, leaving them as brittle fuel for wildfires. As Trump alluded to in his tweet, experts have urged state and federal forestry officials to move quickly in clearing swathes of dead forests because of their added fire danger. The dry, hot weather that climate change brings adds to the dried tinder and risk.

“It might have something to do with forest management and the drought. But it has nothing to do with water policy,” Lund said.


___

TRUMP: “Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: Trump is raising an old dispute in California, the country’s top farm state: the competition for water between agricultural and environmental groups, fishermen and others who want more water for wildlife and habitat. But the dispute has little to do with firefighting.

Republican lawmakers in California’s agriculture-rich Central Valley complain the state and federal governments allow too much of the state’s rainfall and snow melt to flow naturally through rivers and into the Pacific Ocean, instead of being diverted for irrigation.'

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims on Calif. wildfires inaccurate


The one thing about this Presidency (over every other in history, so far) is that if our ancestors wonder how goofy/stupid Trump was? All they have to do is look at his tweets to find out.

Ever heard of the snail darter?

 

[tyroneweaver]

TRUMP: “California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized.

Which of course - as stated in the OP article, is total nonsense.

It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!” — tweet Sunday.

Yeah Donnie. They are called 'rivers'...dumbass.


Damn...is this prick stupid.

And many Trumpbots think he is 'a genius'?

Which of course the Trumpbots will lap up, even knowing it's bs, simply because Trump pushes it and they need to find Ca an enemy.

ya you're right there's no explanation for california burning to the ground. It was just bad luck.

 

[tyroneweaver]

meh- President Shitforhair, aka Tallahassee Tail Genius just misspoke

wanna show us a pic of the guy who's been arrested for starting this fire?