Trump claims presidents can declassify documents ‘even by thinking about it

[Seymour Flops]

Afraid there is

A document and the information it contains is classified until it is formally declassified.

Somebody claiming it is no longer Top Secret because…..The President told me so ……is not going to get you very far.

You had better have something in writing from the President providing what specific information is now declassified.

A broad….”All those documents over there are now declassified” does not cut it

SM.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They don’t have to prove that he did not declassify them. The documents are so marked and that’s all that matters. He needs to prove he had the right to take the documents.

When does he need to prove that? What's his deadline to prove it?

 

[rightwinger]

SM.

Trump is lying
Even his attorneys are not claiming his BS

I declassified is only the lie they are telling MAGA
And of course….You

 

[konradv]

When does he need to prove that? What's his deadline to prove it?

At the trial, unless he decides to cut his losses and cop a plea.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump is lying
Even his attorneys are not claiming his BS

I declassified is only the lie they are telling MAGA
And of course….You

SM.

 

[Seymour Flops]

At the trial, unless he decides to cut his losses and cop a plea.

So, you actually believe that he will be indicted for mishandling classified documents? When?

 

[konradv]

So, you actually believe that he will be indicted for mishandling classified documents? When?

Not mishandling, THEFT. When? Soon enough, if he quits sad delaying tactics that backfire, like the Special Master fiasco.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not mishandling, THEFT. When? Soon enough, if he quits sad delaying tactics that backfire, like the Special Master fiasco.

What does theft have to do with classified?

Whatever . . .

Ok, so let's wager a week off the board on it.

If no indictment in six months from now, I win. If he is indicted for THEFT, you win.

 

[konradv]

What does theft have to do with classified?

Whatever . . .

Ok, so let's wager a week off the board on it.

If no indictment in six months from now, I win. If he is indicted for THEFT, you win.

It’s theft regardless, classified just makes it much more serious.

 

[Care4all]

That's right. He isn't a god. He's just the president. But, there is no law, rule, regulation, etc. that says what a president can, or can't classify, or declassify. No one in the Executive Branch has the authority to make rules governing the conduct of the president. They work for him, not the other way around.

We have three co-equal branches of government. Neither the Congress, nor the court can tell the president what he can classify, or what he can't declassify.

You fuckers are acting like fanatics. You want Trump's rights flushed down the toilet. Y'all are fucking nutjobs

Wild Bill, that is simply NOT TRUE.

THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, that the entire executive branch follows, for classification and declassification, even the president.

Unless Trump canceled the executive order and replaced it with his new mind over matter, declassification process, then the regulations created by president Nixon, and slightly modified by other presidents, the executive order, IS THE RULE OF LAW governing classification of National Security documents, by our government.

Executive Order 11652—Classification and Declassification of National Security Information and Material | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

 

[Seymour Flops]

It’s theft regardless, classified just makes it much more serious.

Yes, very.

So, you're good with the wager?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Wild Bill, that is simply NOT TRUE.

THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, that the entire executive branch follows, for classification and declassification, even the president.

Unless Trump canceled the executive order and replaced it with his new mind over matter, declassification process, then the regulations created by president Nixon, and slightly modified by other presidents, the executive order, IS THE RULE OF LAW governing classification of National Security documents, by our government.

Executive Order 11652—Classification and Declassification of National Security Information and Material | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

And who issues executive orders??

Also, show us the EO that limits a president's authority to declassify documents.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Afraid there is

A document and the information it contains is classified until it is formally declassified.

Somebody claiming it is no longer Top Secret because…..The President told me so ……is not going to get you very far.

You had better have something in writing from the President providing what specific information is now declassified.

A broad….”All those documents over there are now declassified” does not cut it

Describe the process of "formally" declassifying materials.

 

[konradv]

And who issues executive orders??

Also, show us the EO that limits a president's authority to declassify documents.

Whether there is one or not is irrelevant. If the agencies affected by the change weren’t informed, then it never happened.

 

[rightwinger]

Describe the process of "formally" declassifying materials.

It is a complex process

Trump thinks he is only declassifying the documents he holds. No big deal

But you don’t declassify a document, you declassify the confidential information in that document.
So you don’t only need to notify anyone who who holds the same document, but anyone who holds a document with the same information


It is not something you can do just by “thinking” it

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

It is a complex process

Trump thinks he is only declassifying the documents he holds. No big deal

But you don’t declassify a document, you declassify the confidential information in that document.
So you don’t only need to notify anyone who who holds the same document, but anyone who holds a document with the same information


It is not something you can do just by “thinking” it

Complex? Ok, explain. Post a link that spells out the legal process.

 

[rightwinger]

Complex? Ok, explain. Post a link that spells out the legal process.

Not playing
The classification and declassification process is lengthy and contains many checks and balances
You will not read it anyway

 

[Care4all]

Complex? Ok, explain. Post a link that spells out the legal process.

Executive Order 11652—Classification and Declassification of National Security Information and Material | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Executive Order 11652—Classification and Declassification of National Security Information and Material | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

You're behind the times...lol

Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

 

[Dagosa]

Actually, he was still president when he kept saying hose documents. You do understand how our system of government works. Right?

He stole them. He has no rights when he’s not president to be in possession of those documents out side the govt domain. You have no point, just babble. When any govt official leaves his positions, his rights to those classified documents in his previous position cease to exist. Are you too ignorant to understand that ? I guess you were never in the military or worked in any govt agency