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Well, first why don't you qualify how Bush was a coward, prove that Trump and Cheney dodged the draft, and if they did why it wasn't okay for them but cool for Clinton to. True, if someone claims that Obama dodged the draft to avoid going to Vietnam that that person is silly, but tell me who Obama would go to war to defend?What was Clinton's reason for NOT going?Bone spurs or flat feet have been a standing reason for a no entry since WW2. That's just a fact. What WAS Bill's Or Obama's Excuse?Bad feet has been a reasonable reason since WW2.
Laughing.....oh, did the GOP find its perfect candidate in Trump.
Of course. I mean, bone spurs hurt. What is 5 years of torture in a POW camp and permenant disability compared to those? Their so awful that Trump can't even remember what foot they were in. Trump is clearly the true hero here, having to endure that kind of agony.
Its like someone genetically designed this guy to represent the GOP's true values.
What was Obama's reason for not going?
The reason why President Obama did not go to Vietnam during the war is because he was a kid. You do know President Obama was born in 1961 and when he was of age to join the Military it would have been 1979, so why ask such stupid questions?
As for Bill Clinton the answer is simple and he was a draft dodger just like Trump, Cheney, and even George W. Bush that was sent to the National Guard so he would not be drafted and sent to Vietnam.
Now I know you will write about how George W. Bush wanted to go, and my words are so wrong but the reality is back during Vietnam the National Guard was where you hid your kid if you did not want them sent to Vietnam, Bush was also a coward!
So why do you support the words of Trump against someone like McCain that served his nation during a war that was hated?
The draft did not end when the war did. The draft ended much later..What was Clinton's reason for NOT going?Bone spurs or flat feet have been a standing reason for a no entry since WW2. That's just a fact. What WAS Bill's Or Obama's Excuse?Bad feet has been a reasonable reason since WW2.
Laughing.....oh, did the GOP find its perfect candidate in Trump.
Of course. I mean, bone spurs hurt. What is 5 years of torture in a POW camp and permenant disability compared to those? Their so awful that Trump can't even remember what foot they were in. Trump is clearly the true hero here, having to endure that kind of agony.
Its like someone genetically designed this guy to represent the GOP's true values.
What was Obama's reason for not going?
The reason why President Obama did not go to Vietnam during the war is because he was a kid. You do know President Obama was born in 1961 and when he was of age to join the Military it would have been 1979, so why ask such stupid questions?
As for Bill Clinton the answer is simple and he was a draft dodger just like Trump, Cheney, and even George W. Bush that was sent to the National Guard so he would not be drafted and sent to Vietnam.
Now I know you will write about how George W. Bush wanted to go, and my words are so wrong but the reality is back during Vietnam the National Guard was where you hid your kid if you did not want them sent to Vietnam, Bush was also a coward!
So why do you support the words of Trump against someone like McCain that served his nation during a war that was hated?
First, there is some authoritative question as to whether McCain was tortured.Of course. I mean, bone spurs hurt. What is 5 years of torture in a POW camp and permenant disability compared to those?
Which is no argument when someone's motive is to expose fraud.First, there is some authoritative question as to whether McCain was tortured.Of course. I mean, bone spurs hurt. What is 5 years of torture in a POW camp and permenant disability compared to those?
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Two former POWs, Air Force Colonels Ted Guy and Gordon “Swede” Larson, told the Phoenix New Times in 1999 that they doubted McCain was tortured or harmed while a prisoner. Both Guy and Larson were senior ranking officers in McCain’s POW camp at a time he claims he was in solitary confinement and being tortured.
“Between the two of us, it’s our belief, and to the best of our knowledge, that no prisoner was beaten or harmed physically in (the Plantation),” Larson stated.
“My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at the Plantation, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp.”
McCain the War Hero Has No Clothes
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There are many similar contradictions and refutations of McCain's claims about his experience as a POW. The thing to keep in mind is the strongest argument against Trump's comment is his lack of military service.
Well, first why don't you qualify how Bush was a coward, prove that Trump and Cheney dodged the draft, and if they did why it wasn't okay for them but cool for Clinton to. True, if someone claims that Obama dodged the draft to avoid going to Vietnam that that person is silly, but tell me who Obama would go to war to defend?What was Clinton's reason for NOT going?Bone spurs or flat feet have been a standing reason for a no entry since WW2. That's just a fact. What WAS Bill's Or Obama's Excuse?Laughing.....oh, did the GOP find its perfect candidate in Trump.
Of course. I mean, bone spurs hurt. What is 5 years of torture in a POW camp and permenant disability compared to those? Their so awful that Trump can't even remember what foot they were in. Trump is clearly the true hero here, having to endure that kind of agony.
Its like someone genetically designed this guy to represent the GOP's true values.
What was Obama's reason for not going?
The reason why President Obama did not go to Vietnam during the war is because he was a kid. You do know President Obama was born in 1961 and when he was of age to join the Military it would have been 1979, so why ask such stupid questions?
As for Bill Clinton the answer is simple and he was a draft dodger just like Trump, Cheney, and even George W. Bush that was sent to the National Guard so he would not be drafted and sent to Vietnam.
Now I know you will write about how George W. Bush wanted to go, and my words are so wrong but the reality is back during Vietnam the National Guard was where you hid your kid if you did not want them sent to Vietnam, Bush was also a coward!
So why do you support the words of Trump against someone like McCain that served his nation during a war that was hated?
The draft did not end when the war did. The draft ended much later..What was Clinton's reason for NOT going?Bone spurs or flat feet have been a standing reason for a no entry since WW2. That's just a fact. What WAS Bill's Or Obama's Excuse?Laughing.....oh, did the GOP find its perfect candidate in Trump.
Of course. I mean, bone spurs hurt. What is 5 years of torture in a POW camp and permenant disability compared to those? Their so awful that Trump can't even remember what foot they were in. Trump is clearly the true hero here, having to endure that kind of agony.
Its like someone genetically designed this guy to represent the GOP's true values.
What was Obama's reason for not going?
The reason why President Obama did not go to Vietnam during the war is because he was a kid. You do know President Obama was born in 1961 and when he was of age to join the Military it would have been 1979, so why ask such stupid questions?
As for Bill Clinton the answer is simple and he was a draft dodger just like Trump, Cheney, and even George W. Bush that was sent to the National Guard so he would not be drafted and sent to Vietnam.
Now I know you will write about how George W. Bush wanted to go, and my words are so wrong but the reality is back during Vietnam the National Guard was where you hid your kid if you did not want them sent to Vietnam, Bush was also a coward!
So why do you support the words of Trump against someone like McCain that served his nation during a war that was hated?
Oh Gee whiz! His card is fake!
Trump has advisors????Trump isn't immune to foot in mouth disease.
Do you think this was a slip of the tongue? Or do you think Trump told us what he really thinks?
Its pretty clearly the latter.
I think Trump has a big ego and he was trying to win and argument in public, and in the process managed to put his foot squarely in his mouth. He isn't that insane to think like that. Unfortunately this is what happens when you speak spontaneously and never listen to what your advisors have to say.
That implicit argument would be totally valid if the issue were based on WWII, but it isn't. It's based on the Vietnam debacle which was not a war but an entirely unnecessary military interference in the affairs of another nation. Like the Iraq invasion, our adventure in Vietnam was totally and unjustifiably aggressive and it represented absolutely no threat to the security of the U.S.Well Trump said he doesn't like people that were captured. Trump found the best way to avoid that fate: not to fight to defend your country.
That is quite true and valid. But the relevant fact remains that one who "suffered a lot" in the Vietnam debacle is unfortunate, not "heroic."Neither Clinton nor Obama came out and talked sh*t about some guy who suffered a lot in the Vietnam War though.
Oh but how YOU forget the VERY things YOU and OTHER liberals have said in the past. I just happened to find the thread on THIS board by liberal members on THIS board saying the SAME thing. Questioning McCain.The funny thing is McCain is YOUR boy. He's a well known Rino in the party. And Rino's are on their way out.Too funnyOnce again YOU are showing how truly stupid YOU are.Trump was a true Vietnam war hero
Unlike McCain...he avoided capture by the enemy by dodging the draft
McCain was not drafted.
I have always thought John McCain and John Kerry are American heroes who risked their lives for their country
obviously Republicans do not
The one from Hawaii with no state seal that wasn't produced until months after he was elected and with a lot of pressure? Nope.At least he can actually prove he is a US citizen and produce a birth certificate in a timely manner, unlike bozo.New York Times (7/18/2015): "Asked about his own military draft status, Mr. Trump, 69, said he had received medical deferments from the Vietnam War because of a bone spur in his foot. Mr. Trump could not recall which foot had been afflicted."
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/us/politics/trump-belittles-mccains-war-record.html?_r=0
What about the COLB that Obama in 2008 released wasn't 'timely'?
Double down on Trump, Stephanie....you two deserve each other.go to your basement hideaway. your obsessions over trump are becoming quite boring
NONE of you had a hardon over Billy Clinton and Obama NEVER serving THEIR COUNTRY in the Military
go vote for your THREE choices for the Democrats. two old WHITE corrupted fogies and another WHITE somebody called, O'Malley.
don't worry your wee head off over the Republicans. shoo
Trump has advisors????Trump isn't immune to foot in mouth disease.
Do you think this was a slip of the tongue? Or do you think Trump told us what he really thinks?
Its pretty clearly the latter.
I think Trump has a big ego and he was trying to win and argument in public, and in the process managed to put his foot squarely in his mouth. He isn't that insane to think like that. Unfortunately this is what happens when you speak spontaneously and never listen to what your advisors have to say.
You almost gotta laugh when the ignorant prog left starts an argument about the Vietnam draft. Were they born yesterday or to they assume the rest of us are as ignorant as they are? What devastating condition kept Hillary's husband from being drafted? Slick Willie lied to his draft board about joining the reserves and then he lied to the reserves. To add insult to injury the left wing radicals parlayed Slick Willie's draft dodger status into a winning issue when they called a genuine Military hero a "wimp" and won the election.
That is quite true and valid. But the relevant fact remains that one who "suffered a lot" in the Vietnam debacle is unfortunate, not a "hero."Neither Clinton nor Obama came out and talked sh*t about some guy who suffered a lot in the Vietnam War though.
But the reality is our actions in Vietnam were totally counterproductive. So nothing McCain and Kerry did was in any way beneficial to their country. Their efforts were beneficial to only the Military Industrial Complex and to the corrupt and/or incompetent politicians and officials who expanded and prolonged the debacle even after it was seen to be a major mistake.I have always thought John McCain and John Kerry are American heroes who risked their lives for their country.
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Yes, I agree that Vietnam was a special case. I do believe that anyone enlisting is exceptionally courageous even in a non-wartime time. I don't fault those who avoided the draft in the Vietnam days because that war was being conducted so suicidally. I used to like McCain but he's too bipartisan, which renders him untrustworthy to me. I much prefer someone who talks and thinks like Trump; in fact, there are no other politicians or ex-politicians or candidates, except for Sarah Palin, who I agree with more than Trump.But the reality is our actions in Vietnam were totally counterproductive. So nothing McCain and Kerry did was in any way beneficial to their country. Their efforts were beneficial to only the Military Industrial Complex and to the corrupt and/or incompetent politicians and officials who expanded and prolonged the debacle once it was seen to be a major mistake.I have always thought John McCain and John Kerry are American heroes who risked their lives for their country.
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Vietnam was not a war. It was something other.
Who are you talking about, Trump or McCain?Does being a spoiled rich kid help?
