Trump failed - so will he now try to sabotage Obamacare?

[I amso IR]

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

President Donald Trump’s administration said the ads were a waste of money, but Democrats have characterized the action as sabotage.

More: Inspector General Probes Trump Administration's Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

Trump should put his pettiness aside and work with Democrats to fix the glitches in Obamacare. Potitics should be removed from American healthcare. If Trump tries to sabotage Obamacare - then HE will be responsible for its failure!

Sabotage no.

Obama Hellcare will collapse on its own.

I agree that the Freedom Caucus was correct. Ryancare sucked the big weenie.


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I think Trump and the GOP should be glad the AHCA did't get passed. First off, it was a POS that was politically motivated and was no better than the ACA. Second, the GOP base didn't like it, and neither did the American voters; when the Dems passed ObamaCare they foolishly thought they could talk the public into liking it and they were wrong and paid a high political price. So IMHO Trump and the GOP avoided making a big mistake and in the process got a wake-up call: do it right guys and if nobody likes what you're doing then stop doing it. I think Trump got a wake-up call too, this is what you're going to have to deal with and letting Ryan run with the ball isn't a good idea. So hopefully Trump and the GOP learn from their mistakes and try a different tack.

That someone in Washington might have learned something from the entire fiasco? Bit of a dream, don't you think? From my personal point of view, the repeal (trash-break up-destroy plan was the only option), and start anew. Or I am a slow learner and did not understand "REPEAL AND REPLACE beginning with day one". One fact is looming LARGE, he did not and could not do it. As a result Trump now must lick his wounds, comfort his bruised ego, regroup his forces and then attack again when he has a plan his Republican children can accept and deliver. I say this as a true Independent and one who does not rely on the ACA. And I am very distant from being wealthy in any way, shape or form. I do how ever try to think ahead a tad.

 

[Flopper]

Supplements only - which are optional.

(sigh) Medicare, straight Medicare is shit. You MUST get a supplement. Lord the stupid is strong with this one.

I'm 70 years old. This ain't my first rodeo. No, I don't need a supplement.

Then you're an idiot. Part B is a straight 80/20 plan with no cap on your out of pocket. You pay 20% of EVERYTHING 100,000 dollar charge you owe 20 grand.

You can always purchase a MediAdvantage plan during open enrollment each year when you think you need it. These plans put caps on out of pocket expenses and you pay copays usually must less than 20 percent.

Medigap plans are shit.

After going through numerous insurance arrangement with my wife, my brothers and myself, I have found the Medicare supplements with Medicare pays all your medical expenses but are the most expensive. If you have very significant healthcare cost, say over $10,000 a year, they are great. They pay just about everything as long as you go to healthcare providers that accept Medicare. My wife has had one for over 3 years. Her healthcare bills are never less than $50,000 a year and we never paid a penny other than Part B and the supplement premiums. That leaves only drugs that we get through a part D drug plan. There is one real gotcha for most people. If you don't get a supplement when you start Medicare coverage, you may have to pay higher premiums based on your health.

 

[Marion Morrison]

An EO that tells the IRS to not penalize folks without coverage would be interesting.

Ask and ye shall receive. Done on 1/20/2017

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2017-01-24/pdf/2017-01799.pdf

 

[Flopper]

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

President Donald Trump’s administration said the ads were a waste of money, but Democrats have characterized the action as sabotage.

More: Inspector General Probes Trump Administration's Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

Trump should put his pettiness aside and work with Democrats to fix the glitches in Obamacare. Potitics should be removed from American healthcare. If Trump tries to sabotage Obamacare - then HE will be responsible for its failure!

This is what is screwed up with this country. we have someone being paid to investigate why the government isn't advertising for health insurance when they have no business advertising for health insurance to begin with.

Oh and ACA has been a failure since day 1. It has always been a failure. It is still a failure. In fact it was deliberately designed to be a failure. There is is nothing Donald trump or anyone else could do to make it any more of a failure.

But of course now the kool aid drinkers like lakhota and the rest of the low information Democrat are going to blame Republicans for this crappy legislation they had to force on the people with fraud and cheating.

Lives have been destroyed so democrats can have more power.

Really? Why did about 34 House Republicans say they would NOT vote for Trumpcare? Why does Trumpcare only have a 17% approval rating? Why did over 50 organizations oppose Trumpcare - including AARP, AMA, American Hospital Association, and American Cancer Society? Why?

Groups opposing the American Health Care Act

What exactly does all that have to do with whether or not Obamacare sucks? It's not an either/or proposition. It's possible for BOTH plans to be terrible.

But... if you're a democrat, Obamacare is the best shit since sliced penis pie, and if you're a republican, it's the worst shit since sliced penis pie.

In reality it is neither. People that get their insurance through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare which is about 85% of the insured, it has had no major impact. Employer provided insurance premiums have only increased 3% to 4% a year, just about equal to the increase in healthcare cost. Medicare coverage and premiums for all but the wealthy has changed little. Medicaid is the same but more people are illegible.

The people that are really effected, about 14% of the insured are the people that buy individual insurance through brokers or through the exchanges. Those that get large subsidies or had serious pre-existing conditions are benefiting. Those with higher incomes and little no subsides are generally paying a lot more for their insurance.

When we are talking about who benefits from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with party lines. People in both parties have benefited and have been hurt by the law.

 

[Lakhota]

So, the Obamacare sabotage is about to begin...

Just saw on MSNBC that HHS Secretary Price is poised to change some Obamacare regulations. This will not end well for Republicans.

 

[edward37]

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

President Donald Trump’s administration said the ads were a waste of money, but Democrats have characterized the action as sabotage.

More: Inspector General Probes Trump Administration's Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

Trump should put his pettiness aside and work with Democrats to fix the glitches in Obamacare. Potitics should be removed from American healthcare. If Trump tries to sabotage Obamacare - then HE will be responsible for its failure![/QUOT

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

President Donald Trump’s administration said the ads were a waste of money, but Democrats have characterized the action as sabotage.

More: Inspector General Probes Trump Administration's Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

Trump should put his pettiness aside and work with Democrats to fix the glitches in Obamacare. Potitics should be removed from American healthcare.

Needless to say that's not going to happen.

Trump should never have been president to begin with – his contempt for the health and well-being of the American people is proof of that.

Yet, Trump was elected.

I'd say there are still a lot of leftist scum who are in denial.

Yeah why try and make it better ?? Lose all the alt right, kkk and racist votes,,Can't do that They form the repubs parties base

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

President Donald Trump’s administration said the ads were a waste of money, but Democrats have characterized the action as sabotage.

More: Inspector General Probes Trump Administration's Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

Trump should put his pettiness aside and work with Democrats to fix the glitches in Obamacare. Potitics should be removed from American healthcare. If Trump tries to sabotage Obamacare - then HE will be responsible for its failure!

This is what is screwed up with this country. we have someone being paid to investigate why the government isn't advertising for health insurance when they have no business advertising for health insurance to begin with.

Oh and ACA has been a failure since day 1. It has always been a failure. It is still a failure. In fact it was deliberately designed to be a failure. There is is nothing Donald trump or anyone else could do to make it any more of a failure.

But of course now the kool aid drinkers like lakhota and the rest of the low information Democrat are going to blame Republicans for this crappy legislation they had to force on the people with fraud and cheating.

Lives have been destroyed so democrats can have more power.

Really? Why did about 34 House Republicans say they would NOT vote for Trumpcare? Why does Trumpcare only have a 17% approval rating? Why did over 50 organizations oppose Trumpcare - including AARP, AMA, American Hospital Association, and American Cancer Society? Why?

Groups opposing the American Health Care Act

What exactly does all that have to do with whether or not Obamacare sucks? It's not an either/or proposition. It's possible for BOTH plans to be terrible.

But... if you're a democrat, Obamacare is the best shit since sliced penis pie, and if you're a republican, it's the worst shit since sliced penis pie.

In reality it is neither. People that get their insurance through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare which is about 85% of the insured, it has had no major impact. Employer provided insurance premiums have only increased 3% to 4% a year, just about equal to the increase in healthcare cost. Medicare coverage and premiums for all but the wealthy has changed little. Medicaid is the same but more people are illegible.

The people that are really effected, about 14% of the insured are the people that buy individual insurance through brokers or through the exchanges. Those that get large subsidies or had serious pre-existing conditions are benefiting. Those with higher incomes and little no subsides are generally paying a lot more for their insurance.

When we are talking about who benefits from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with party lines. People in both parties have benefited and have been hurt by the law.

This is so wrong because the less you have, the easier Commie Care plans can be afforded. Lower income people tend to vote Democrat compared to middle-class to higher income people. So it's clear that this plot was designed to cater to Democrat voters. I'm your typical middle-class person with middle-class income, and there is no way in hell I could ever afford one of these disastrous plans.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

President Donald Trump’s administration said the ads were a waste of money, but Democrats have characterized the action as sabotage.

More: Inspector General Probes Trump Administration's Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

Trump should put his pettiness aside and work with Democrats to fix the glitches in Obamacare. Potitics should be removed from American healthcare. If Trump tries to sabotage Obamacare - then HE will be responsible for its failure!

This is what is screwed up with this country. we have someone being paid to investigate why the government isn't advertising for health insurance when they have no business advertising for health insurance to begin with.

Oh and ACA has been a failure since day 1. It has always been a failure. It is still a failure. In fact it was deliberately designed to be a failure. There is is nothing Donald trump or anyone else could do to make it any more of a failure.

But of course now the kool aid drinkers like lakhota and the rest of the low information Democrat are going to blame Republicans for this crappy legislation they had to force on the people with fraud and cheating.

Lives have been destroyed so democrats can have more power.

Really? Why did about 34 House Republicans say they would NOT vote for Trumpcare? Why does Trumpcare only have a 17% approval rating? Why did over 50 organizations oppose Trumpcare - including AARP, AMA, American Hospital Association, and American Cancer Society? Why?

Groups opposing the American Health Care Act

What exactly does all that have to do with whether or not Obamacare sucks? It's not an either/or proposition. It's possible for BOTH plans to be terrible.

But... if you're a democrat, Obamacare is the best shit since sliced penis pie, and if you're a republican, it's the worst shit since sliced penis pie.

In reality it is neither. People that get their insurance through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare which is about 85% of the insured, it has had no major impact. Employer provided insurance premiums have only increased 3% to 4% a year, just about equal to the increase in healthcare cost. Medicare coverage and premiums for all but the wealthy has changed little. Medicaid is the same but more people are illegible.

The people that are really effected, about 14% of the insured are the people that buy individual insurance through brokers or through the exchanges. Those that get large subsidies or had serious pre-existing conditions are benefiting. Those with higher incomes and little no subsides are generally paying a lot more for their insurance.

When we are talking about who benefits from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with party lines. People in both parties have benefited and have been hurt by the law.

Well Obamacare sucks because it's still part of the massive system of fraud and leeches that shouldn't exist, but hey, the Republican system would have been even worse.

 

[frigidweirdo]

This is what is screwed up with this country. we have someone being paid to investigate why the government isn't advertising for health insurance when they have no business advertising for health insurance to begin with.

Oh and ACA has been a failure since day 1. It has always been a failure. It is still a failure. In fact it was deliberately designed to be a failure. There is is nothing Donald trump or anyone else could do to make it any more of a failure.

But of course now the kool aid drinkers like lakhota and the rest of the low information Democrat are going to blame Republicans for this crappy legislation they had to force on the people with fraud and cheating.

Lives have been destroyed so democrats can have more power.

Really? Why did about 34 House Republicans say they would NOT vote for Trumpcare? Why does Trumpcare only have a 17% approval rating? Why did over 50 organizations oppose Trumpcare - including AARP, AMA, American Hospital Association, and American Cancer Society? Why?

Groups opposing the American Health Care Act

What exactly does all that have to do with whether or not Obamacare sucks? It's not an either/or proposition. It's possible for BOTH plans to be terrible.

But... if you're a democrat, Obamacare is the best shit since sliced penis pie, and if you're a republican, it's the worst shit since sliced penis pie.

In reality it is neither. People that get their insurance through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare which is about 85% of the insured, it has had no major impact. Employer provided insurance premiums have only increased 3% to 4% a year, just about equal to the increase in healthcare cost. Medicare coverage and premiums for all but the wealthy has changed little. Medicaid is the same but more people are illegible.

The people that are really effected, about 14% of the insured are the people that buy individual insurance through brokers or through the exchanges. Those that get large subsidies or had serious pre-existing conditions are benefiting. Those with higher incomes and little no subsides are generally paying a lot more for their insurance.

When we are talking about who benefits from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with party lines. People in both parties have benefited and have been hurt by the law.

This is so wrong because the less you have, the easier Commie Care plans can be afforded. Lower income people tend to vote Democrat compared to middle-class to higher income people. So it's clear that this plot was designed to cater to Democrat voters. I'm your typical middle-class person with middle-class income, and there is no way in hell I could ever afford one of these disastrous plans.

Well, the whole system is designed to cater for the richer people in society in the first place.

That is so wrong, yet those who benefit from it, don't give a damn.... so..... you get party politics.

Make the system FAIR by having people pay for it out of taxes, and then they just turn up, no insurance leeches to contend with, no one runs out of insurance coverage and then dies...

 

[Rustic]

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

President Donald Trump’s administration said the ads were a waste of money, but Democrats have characterized the action as sabotage.

More: Inspector General Probes Trump Administration's Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

Trump should put his pettiness aside and work with Democrats to fix the glitches in Obamacare. Potitics should be removed from American healthcare. If Trump tries to sabotage Obamacare - then HE will be responsible for its failure!

Obamacare is bankrupt it cannot be fixed… Fact

 

[Lakhota]

With repeal off the table, the president needs to choose whether to help or hurt people.

Despite claims by Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that the Affordable Care Act is unfixable, the Trump administration has tools at its disposal it could use to make the Affordable Care Act’s health insurance exchanges more attractive to health insurers and potentially less costly for consumers. Or Trump could go in the other direction and undermine the law to bolster their case for “replacing” it later.

The next sign-up period for the health insurance exchanges begins Nov. 1. The administration could choose to pick up where Obama’s team left off and engage in a nationwide campaign to publicize health insurance enrollment and help people apply for coverage.

Or they could scale back this work, as they did early this year, and leave enrollees to their own devices, which would result in lower enrollment overall and likely make the insurance pool sicker, because those with the greatest health care needs would be the most prone to sign up without help or reminders.

“It will be Secretary Price’s legacy forever if he acts in ways that are destructive to the American people. And he knows that people will die if they lose their coverage,” Slavitt said.

More: How Trump Could Make Obamacare Better — Or Worse

It's up to Trump. Will it make it better or worse? Americans are watching...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Really? Why did about 34 House Republicans say they would NOT vote for Trumpcare? Why does Trumpcare only have a 17% approval rating? Why did over 50 organizations oppose Trumpcare - including AARP, AMA, American Hospital Association, and American Cancer Society? Why?

Groups opposing the American Health Care Act

What exactly does all that have to do with whether or not Obamacare sucks? It's not an either/or proposition. It's possible for BOTH plans to be terrible.

But... if you're a democrat, Obamacare is the best shit since sliced penis pie, and if you're a republican, it's the worst shit since sliced penis pie.

In reality it is neither. People that get their insurance through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare which is about 85% of the insured, it has had no major impact. Employer provided insurance premiums have only increased 3% to 4% a year, just about equal to the increase in healthcare cost. Medicare coverage and premiums for all but the wealthy has changed little. Medicaid is the same but more people are illegible.

The people that are really effected, about 14% of the insured are the people that buy individual insurance through brokers or through the exchanges. Those that get large subsidies or had serious pre-existing conditions are benefiting. Those with higher incomes and little no subsides are generally paying a lot more for their insurance.

When we are talking about who benefits from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with party lines. People in both parties have benefited and have been hurt by the law.

This is so wrong because the less you have, the easier Commie Care plans can be afforded. Lower income people tend to vote Democrat compared to middle-class to higher income people. So it's clear that this plot was designed to cater to Democrat voters. I'm your typical middle-class person with middle-class income, and there is no way in hell I could ever afford one of these disastrous plans.

Well, the whole system is designed to cater for the richer people in society in the first place.

That is so wrong, yet those who benefit from it, don't give a damn.... so..... you get party politics.

Make the system FAIR by having people pay for it out of taxes, and then they just turn up, no insurance leeches to contend with, no one runs out of insurance coverage and then dies...

In other words, surrender to Socialism.

Sorry, we are not to that desperate point just yet. Before we ruin the healthcare system we have, let's make sure there is no way to save the market based system that's worked so well for us all these years until Commie Care came along.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What exactly does all that have to do with whether or not Obamacare sucks? It's not an either/or proposition. It's possible for BOTH plans to be terrible.

But... if you're a democrat, Obamacare is the best shit since sliced penis pie, and if you're a republican, it's the worst shit since sliced penis pie.

In reality it is neither. People that get their insurance through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare which is about 85% of the insured, it has had no major impact. Employer provided insurance premiums have only increased 3% to 4% a year, just about equal to the increase in healthcare cost. Medicare coverage and premiums for all but the wealthy has changed little. Medicaid is the same but more people are illegible.

The people that are really effected, about 14% of the insured are the people that buy individual insurance through brokers or through the exchanges. Those that get large subsidies or had serious pre-existing conditions are benefiting. Those with higher incomes and little no subsides are generally paying a lot more for their insurance.

When we are talking about who benefits from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with party lines. People in both parties have benefited and have been hurt by the law.

This is so wrong because the less you have, the easier Commie Care plans can be afforded. Lower income people tend to vote Democrat compared to middle-class to higher income people. So it's clear that this plot was designed to cater to Democrat voters. I'm your typical middle-class person with middle-class income, and there is no way in hell I could ever afford one of these disastrous plans.

Well, the whole system is designed to cater for the richer people in society in the first place.

That is so wrong, yet those who benefit from it, don't give a damn.... so..... you get party politics.

Make the system FAIR by having people pay for it out of taxes, and then they just turn up, no insurance leeches to contend with, no one runs out of insurance coverage and then dies...

In other words, surrender to Socialism.

Sorry, we are not to that desperate point just yet. Before we ruin the healthcare system we have, let's make sure there is no way to save the market based system that's worked so well for us all these years until Commie Care came along.

Oh, so, it's unfair if the middle class has to pay more, namely you, but if people get to have healthcare no matter what their situation, then it's surrendering to Socialism?

I'm not a Socialist at all, but healthcare is something I believe should be socialized.

Now, before you go thinking you're real smart coming out with the surrender to Socialism claim, how about the police, infrastructure, the armed forces, they surrendered to socialism too.

Actually, I prefer to think of it as stopping corruption and unnecessary leeching.

No, the US isn't "that desperate yet", the rich still control the country and still control your mind.... they don't want socialized healthcare, so you don't want it either.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But... if you're a democrat, Obamacare is the best shit since sliced penis pie, and if you're a republican, it's the worst shit since sliced penis pie.

In reality it is neither. People that get their insurance through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare which is about 85% of the insured, it has had no major impact. Employer provided insurance premiums have only increased 3% to 4% a year, just about equal to the increase in healthcare cost. Medicare coverage and premiums for all but the wealthy has changed little. Medicaid is the same but more people are illegible.

The people that are really effected, about 14% of the insured are the people that buy individual insurance through brokers or through the exchanges. Those that get large subsidies or had serious pre-existing conditions are benefiting. Those with higher incomes and little no subsides are generally paying a lot more for their insurance.

When we are talking about who benefits from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with party lines. People in both parties have benefited and have been hurt by the law.

This is so wrong because the less you have, the easier Commie Care plans can be afforded. Lower income people tend to vote Democrat compared to middle-class to higher income people. So it's clear that this plot was designed to cater to Democrat voters. I'm your typical middle-class person with middle-class income, and there is no way in hell I could ever afford one of these disastrous plans.

Well, the whole system is designed to cater for the richer people in society in the first place.

That is so wrong, yet those who benefit from it, don't give a damn.... so..... you get party politics.

Make the system FAIR by having people pay for it out of taxes, and then they just turn up, no insurance leeches to contend with, no one runs out of insurance coverage and then dies...

In other words, surrender to Socialism.

Sorry, we are not to that desperate point just yet. Before we ruin the healthcare system we have, let's make sure there is no way to save the market based system that's worked so well for us all these years until Commie Care came along.

Oh, so, it's unfair if the middle class has to pay more, namely you, but if people get to have healthcare no matter what their situation, then it's surrendering to Socialism?

I'm not a Socialist at all, but healthcare is something I believe should be socialized.

Now, before you go thinking you're real smart coming out with the surrender to Socialism claim, how about the police, infrastructure, the armed forces, they surrendered to socialism too.

Actually, I prefer to think of it as stopping corruption and unnecessary leeching.

No, the US isn't "that desperate yet", the rich still control the country and still control your mind.... they don't want socialized healthcare, so you don't want it either.

I don't want it because I don't want government having more control over my life. Government (particularly the left) have been trying to get more and more control over people. The two things they have yet to conquer to have that control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two things, they will then have total control over the people.

The police are local, having a police force is funded by local taxpayers, but not a necessity. Having a police force is optional.

Infrastructure and national security are covered in the US Constitution.

There is no requirement by any government agency to provide healthcare or a healthcare system.

 

[frigidweirdo]

In reality it is neither. People that get their insurance through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare which is about 85% of the insured, it has had no major impact. Employer provided insurance premiums have only increased 3% to 4% a year, just about equal to the increase in healthcare cost. Medicare coverage and premiums for all but the wealthy has changed little. Medicaid is the same but more people are illegible.

The people that are really effected, about 14% of the insured are the people that buy individual insurance through brokers or through the exchanges. Those that get large subsidies or had serious pre-existing conditions are benefiting. Those with higher incomes and little no subsides are generally paying a lot more for their insurance.

When we are talking about who benefits from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with party lines. People in both parties have benefited and have been hurt by the law.

This is so wrong because the less you have, the easier Commie Care plans can be afforded. Lower income people tend to vote Democrat compared to middle-class to higher income people. So it's clear that this plot was designed to cater to Democrat voters. I'm your typical middle-class person with middle-class income, and there is no way in hell I could ever afford one of these disastrous plans.

Well, the whole system is designed to cater for the richer people in society in the first place.

That is so wrong, yet those who benefit from it, don't give a damn.... so..... you get party politics.

Make the system FAIR by having people pay for it out of taxes, and then they just turn up, no insurance leeches to contend with, no one runs out of insurance coverage and then dies...

In other words, surrender to Socialism.

Sorry, we are not to that desperate point just yet. Before we ruin the healthcare system we have, let's make sure there is no way to save the market based system that's worked so well for us all these years until Commie Care came along.

Oh, so, it's unfair if the middle class has to pay more, namely you, but if people get to have healthcare no matter what their situation, then it's surrendering to Socialism?

I'm not a Socialist at all, but healthcare is something I believe should be socialized.

Now, before you go thinking you're real smart coming out with the surrender to Socialism claim, how about the police, infrastructure, the armed forces, they surrendered to socialism too.

Actually, I prefer to think of it as stopping corruption and unnecessary leeching.

No, the US isn't "that desperate yet", the rich still control the country and still control your mind.... they don't want socialized healthcare, so you don't want it either.

I don't want it because I don't want government having more control over my life. Government (particularly the left) have been trying to get more and more control over people. The two things they have yet to conquer to have that control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two things, they will then have total control over the people.

The police are local, having a police force is funded by local taxpayers, but not a necessity. Having a police force is optional.

Infrastructure and national security are covered in the US Constitution.

There is no requirement by any government agency to provide healthcare or a healthcare system.

So, you prefer having private companies having control over your life, AND controlling government? Great.

How does the left benefit from having Socialized healthcare exactly?

 

[Claudette]

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

President Donald Trump’s administration said the ads were a waste of money, but Democrats have characterized the action as sabotage.

More: Inspector General Probes Trump Administration's Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

Trump should put his pettiness aside and work with Democrats to fix the glitches in Obamacare. Potitics should be removed from American healthcare. If Trump tries to sabotage Obamacare - then HE will be responsible for its failure!

Trump doesn't have to do anything to Obamacare because Obamacare is already imploding on its on.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is so wrong because the less you have, the easier Commie Care plans can be afforded. Lower income people tend to vote Democrat compared to middle-class to higher income people. So it's clear that this plot was designed to cater to Democrat voters. I'm your typical middle-class person with middle-class income, and there is no way in hell I could ever afford one of these disastrous plans.

Well, the whole system is designed to cater for the richer people in society in the first place.

That is so wrong, yet those who benefit from it, don't give a damn.... so..... you get party politics.

Make the system FAIR by having people pay for it out of taxes, and then they just turn up, no insurance leeches to contend with, no one runs out of insurance coverage and then dies...

In other words, surrender to Socialism.

Sorry, we are not to that desperate point just yet. Before we ruin the healthcare system we have, let's make sure there is no way to save the market based system that's worked so well for us all these years until Commie Care came along.

Oh, so, it's unfair if the middle class has to pay more, namely you, but if people get to have healthcare no matter what their situation, then it's surrendering to Socialism?

I'm not a Socialist at all, but healthcare is something I believe should be socialized.

Now, before you go thinking you're real smart coming out with the surrender to Socialism claim, how about the police, infrastructure, the armed forces, they surrendered to socialism too.

Actually, I prefer to think of it as stopping corruption and unnecessary leeching.

No, the US isn't "that desperate yet", the rich still control the country and still control your mind.... they don't want socialized healthcare, so you don't want it either.

I don't want it because I don't want government having more control over my life. Government (particularly the left) have been trying to get more and more control over people. The two things they have yet to conquer to have that control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two things, they will then have total control over the people.

The police are local, having a police force is funded by local taxpayers, but not a necessity. Having a police force is optional.

Infrastructure and national security are covered in the US Constitution.

There is no requirement by any government agency to provide healthcare or a healthcare system.

So, you prefer having private companies having control over your life, AND controlling government? Great.

How does the left benefit from having Socialized healthcare exactly?

In the private sector people have choices. If you don't like the insurance company you have, you can always hire another one. If you don't like the kind of services you receive when you get treatment, you can always choose another provider.

Government healthcare is just that--government. There are no choices, there are no alternatives if you're not happy. You take the healthcare they give you or none at all. If they tell you you're not getting treated unless you lose weight, then you better plan on not eating for a while. If they tell you that you will no longer have coverage unless you quit smoking---something you may have been trying to do your entire life, too bad, you're going to quit or die. If it becomes political again like with Commie Care, and you are Republican, then you're going to spend every last dollar you have getting treatment for yourself and for the Democrats you're also paying healthcare for.

Yes, I do trust private industry far more than government. Private entities strive to earn your business. Government just makes your business--theirs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, the whole system is designed to cater for the richer people in society in the first place.

That is so wrong, yet those who benefit from it, don't give a damn.... so..... you get party politics.

Make the system FAIR by having people pay for it out of taxes, and then they just turn up, no insurance leeches to contend with, no one runs out of insurance coverage and then dies...

In other words, surrender to Socialism.

Sorry, we are not to that desperate point just yet. Before we ruin the healthcare system we have, let's make sure there is no way to save the market based system that's worked so well for us all these years until Commie Care came along.

Oh, so, it's unfair if the middle class has to pay more, namely you, but if people get to have healthcare no matter what their situation, then it's surrendering to Socialism?

I'm not a Socialist at all, but healthcare is something I believe should be socialized.

Now, before you go thinking you're real smart coming out with the surrender to Socialism claim, how about the police, infrastructure, the armed forces, they surrendered to socialism too.

Actually, I prefer to think of it as stopping corruption and unnecessary leeching.

No, the US isn't "that desperate yet", the rich still control the country and still control your mind.... they don't want socialized healthcare, so you don't want it either.

I don't want it because I don't want government having more control over my life. Government (particularly the left) have been trying to get more and more control over people. The two things they have yet to conquer to have that control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two things, they will then have total control over the people.

The police are local, having a police force is funded by local taxpayers, but not a necessity. Having a police force is optional.

Infrastructure and national security are covered in the US Constitution.

There is no requirement by any government agency to provide healthcare or a healthcare system.

So, you prefer having private companies having control over your life, AND controlling government? Great.

How does the left benefit from having Socialized healthcare exactly?

In the private sector people have choices. If you don't like the insurance company you have, you can always hire another one. If you don't like the kind of services you receive when you get treatment, you can always choose another provider.

Government healthcare is just that--government. There are no choices, there are no alternatives if you're not happy. You take the healthcare they give you or none at all. If they tell you you're not getting treated unless you lose weight, then you better plan on not eating for a while. If they tell you that you will no longer have coverage unless you quit smoking---something you may have been trying to do your entire life, too bad, you're going to quit or die. If it becomes political again like with Commie Care, and you are Republican, then you're going to spend every last dollar you have getting treatment for yourself and for the Democrats you're also paying healthcare for.

Yes, I do trust private industry far more than government. Private entities strive to earn your business. Government just makes your business--theirs.

The best businesses to do business with are those with a mandate against profit. Where all profit has to go back to the customers.

Credit unions and electric cooperatives are good examples.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, the whole system is designed to cater for the richer people in society in the first place.

That is so wrong, yet those who benefit from it, don't give a damn.... so..... you get party politics.

Make the system FAIR by having people pay for it out of taxes, and then they just turn up, no insurance leeches to contend with, no one runs out of insurance coverage and then dies...

In other words, surrender to Socialism.

Sorry, we are not to that desperate point just yet. Before we ruin the healthcare system we have, let's make sure there is no way to save the market based system that's worked so well for us all these years until Commie Care came along.

Oh, so, it's unfair if the middle class has to pay more, namely you, but if people get to have healthcare no matter what their situation, then it's surrendering to Socialism?

I'm not a Socialist at all, but healthcare is something I believe should be socialized.

Now, before you go thinking you're real smart coming out with the surrender to Socialism claim, how about the police, infrastructure, the armed forces, they surrendered to socialism too.

Actually, I prefer to think of it as stopping corruption and unnecessary leeching.

No, the US isn't "that desperate yet", the rich still control the country and still control your mind.... they don't want socialized healthcare, so you don't want it either.

I don't want it because I don't want government having more control over my life. Government (particularly the left) have been trying to get more and more control over people. The two things they have yet to conquer to have that control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two things, they will then have total control over the people.

The police are local, having a police force is funded by local taxpayers, but not a necessity. Having a police force is optional.

Infrastructure and national security are covered in the US Constitution.

There is no requirement by any government agency to provide healthcare or a healthcare system.

So, you prefer having private companies having control over your life, AND controlling government? Great.

How does the left benefit from having Socialized healthcare exactly?

In the private sector people have choices. If you don't like the insurance company you have, you can always hire another one. If you don't like the kind of services you receive when you get treatment, you can always choose another provider.

Government healthcare is just that--government. There are no choices, there are no alternatives if you're not happy. You take the healthcare they give you or none at all. If they tell you you're not getting treated unless you lose weight, then you better plan on not eating for a while. If they tell you that you will no longer have coverage unless you quit smoking---something you may have been trying to do your entire life, too bad, you're going to quit or die. If it becomes political again like with Commie Care, and you are Republican, then you're going to spend every last dollar you have getting treatment for yourself and for the Democrats you're also paying healthcare for.

Yes, I do trust private industry far more than government. Private entities strive to earn your business. Government just makes your business--theirs.

Oh, great, people have choices. You can choose between too expensive and way too expensive. That's a choice?

Did you know in the UK people have choices? Yeah, they could potentially choose to go to any doctor in the area, they could also choose which hospital to go to, AND they could choose to go private if they could afford to do so.

You don't seem to know much about government healthcare outside of the US. But hey, you could learn.

Instead you'll just find some phrases that suit your aims, like "choice" and harp on about it as if you can't have choice in the government sector.

 

[frigidweirdo]

In other words, surrender to Socialism.

Sorry, we are not to that desperate point just yet. Before we ruin the healthcare system we have, let's make sure there is no way to save the market based system that's worked so well for us all these years until Commie Care came along.

Oh, so, it's unfair if the middle class has to pay more, namely you, but if people get to have healthcare no matter what their situation, then it's surrendering to Socialism?

I'm not a Socialist at all, but healthcare is something I believe should be socialized.

Now, before you go thinking you're real smart coming out with the surrender to Socialism claim, how about the police, infrastructure, the armed forces, they surrendered to socialism too.

Actually, I prefer to think of it as stopping corruption and unnecessary leeching.

No, the US isn't "that desperate yet", the rich still control the country and still control your mind.... they don't want socialized healthcare, so you don't want it either.

I don't want it because I don't want government having more control over my life. Government (particularly the left) have been trying to get more and more control over people. The two things they have yet to conquer to have that control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two things, they will then have total control over the people.

The police are local, having a police force is funded by local taxpayers, but not a necessity. Having a police force is optional.

Infrastructure and national security are covered in the US Constitution.

There is no requirement by any government agency to provide healthcare or a healthcare system.

So, you prefer having private companies having control over your life, AND controlling government? Great.

How does the left benefit from having Socialized healthcare exactly?

In the private sector people have choices. If you don't like the insurance company you have, you can always hire another one. If you don't like the kind of services you receive when you get treatment, you can always choose another provider.

Government healthcare is just that--government. There are no choices, there are no alternatives if you're not happy. You take the healthcare they give you or none at all. If they tell you you're not getting treated unless you lose weight, then you better plan on not eating for a while. If they tell you that you will no longer have coverage unless you quit smoking---something you may have been trying to do your entire life, too bad, you're going to quit or die. If it becomes political again like with Commie Care, and you are Republican, then you're going to spend every last dollar you have getting treatment for yourself and for the Democrats you're also paying healthcare for.

Yes, I do trust private industry far more than government. Private entities strive to earn your business. Government just makes your business--theirs.

The best businesses to do business with are those with a mandate against profit. Where all profit has to go back to the customers.

Credit unions and electric cooperatives are good examples.

In France and other countries they have similar insurance, it can't be for profit. It still takes out a chunk from the healthcare system that is completely unnecessary, but it's better than the US>