Trump: I Have Investigators in Hawaii...'They Cannot Believe What They're Finding'

[signelect]

The real point is that he can't lead, he can't follow, he can't do anything but read the teleprompter.

We are in a financial mess that he and congress created and now they just want it to be George W's fault. This is getting old.

Trump is not going to run for the presidency but in the mean time he can spend his money pointing out things that need to be aired. You can call him names but he is very smart in a financial way.

yeah, nothing says smart like going bankrupt running a casino.

Yes he did, one failure, dozens of successes. You don't get to his financial position by being stupid.

Care to list any of Obama's successes.

 

[Immanuel]

That's completely asinine! What could his BC possibly contain that he needs to hide???

My guess is that his religion was listed as "Muslim."

But it's just a guess.

To most of us, if that were the case, it would mean absolutely nothing as that is the faith of the parent(s). But, I am certain to some they would use that as proof that today, Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Immie

 

[Zoom-boing]

The questionnaire I already posted had the "other" box. The BC was then made from the filled out questionnaire.

So he was given that form (the one you posted) and had to fill it out and from the info he put down, the long-form birth certificate was typed up. You'd think I'd know this having had three kids but I don't remember anything about forms when I was in the hospital . . too much pain and too much else on my mind and I'm drawing a blank on the whole forms thing . . .

The form you posted was revised in 2003. How was it worded in 1961?

You tell me!

Here's one from 1964. I don't know if each state has/had its own version or if there is just one standard form for all.

According to this form is just asks for 'color or race'. So the 'African' question comes back to terms used back then. Again, if I were asked my 'color or race', I wouldn't say 'American', I'd say white even if I were from Africa. But how I'd answer doesn't mean squat. lol He may very well have thought of his race as African rather than black or that may very well have been a term a person from Africa would have used. Then again, a black man/white woman having a child was much more uncommon back then so maybe he put down African to divert attention from that. Who knows.

There's info on here that isn't on the COLB (signature of doc present, hospital, attendant at birth, and some other dates). Why not just release the long form if that's the only other additional information? It just seems to me that that would shut everyone up once and for all. Well, it would shut everyone up except for the 10% loons who will never be satisfied.

 

[Zoom-boing]

That's completely asinine! What could his BC possibly contain that he needs to hide???

My guess is that his religion was listed as "Muslim."

But it's just a guess.

I didn't see religion listed as a question on the 1964 form I posted so I would imagine it wasn't on the 1961 either.

 

[edthecynic]

Ok, here's a copy of a long form birth certificate from 1961. It just asks 'race' with no other identifiers.

Obama's father put down 'African' rather than 'black'. Was 'African' the term used back then? I don't recall it as such . . .I thought negro or colored was the term used. Would a person from Africa refer to their race as 'African' though? Again if I was asked my race I wouldn't put American. This whole thing is confusing.

Most likely, yes. Back then Africans strongly identified themselves as the African Race.

BBC News | Africa at 40 | Nkrumah - an African visionary with feet of clay

[FONT=arial, helvetica] But while Dr Nkrumah worked to improve living standards at home his ambitions extended beyond national boundaries to the creation of a federal union of African states. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]United for the good of all[/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica]Explaining his vision in his 1961 book, I Speak of Freedom, he wrote: "Divided we are weak; united, Africa could become one of the greatest forces for good in the world. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]" I believe strongly and sincerely that with the deep-rooted wisdom and dignity, the innate respect for human lives, the intense humanity that is our heritage, the African race, united under one federal government, will emerge not as just another world bloc to flaunt its wealth and strength, but as a Great Power whose greatness is indestructible because it is built not on fear, envy and suspicion, nor won at the expense of others, but founded on hope, trust, friendship and directed to the good of all mankind." [/FONT]

Very good post and thank you.

I would like to know when he made that statement though. The link is dated 11/04/1997 and says that he was explaining his point of view of the book he wrote in 1961. If he made the statement in 1961 or there about that would be a pretty good indication that they did in fact view themselves as "the African Race". On the other hand, though not disproving that they did, if he made the comment in 1997, then it is possible that current thinking influenced his wording.

However, thank you, that was still an excellent piece of information.

Immie

The quote is from the preface to his 1961 book, page XIV

African History: Western African history - Google Books

 

[Toro]

The real point is that he can't lead, he can't follow, he can't do anything but read the teleprompter.

We are in a financial mess that he and congress created and now they just want it to be George W's fault. This is getting old.

Trump is not going to run for the presidency but in the mean time he can spend his money pointing out things that need to be aired. You can call him names but he is very smart in a financial way.

yeah, nothing says smart like going bankrupt running a casino.

Yes he did, one failure, dozens of successes. You don't get to his financial position by being stupid.

Care to list any of Obama's successes.

Plus he's fucked all sorts of hot women, never letting his marital status get in the way in his pursuit of banging hot chicks. You've got to admire a man who goes for what he wants!

 

[edthecynic]

That's completely asinine! What could his BC possibly contain that he needs to hide???

My guess is that his religion was listed as "Muslim."

But it's just a guess.

I didn't see religion listed as a question on the 1964 form I posted so I would imagine it wasn't on the 1961 either.

And religion is not in the questionnaire I posted either.

 

[Zoom-boing]

My guess is that his religion was listed as "Muslim."

But it's just a guess.

I didn't see religion listed as a question on the 1964 form I posted so I would imagine it wasn't on the 1961 either.

And religion is not in the questionnaire I posted either.

Scratch 'Muslim' off the list. Check!

 

[Immanuel]

Most likely, yes. Back then Africans strongly identified themselves as the African Race.

BBC News | Africa at 40 | Nkrumah - an African visionary with feet of clay

[FONT=arial, helvetica] But while Dr Nkrumah worked to improve living standards at home his ambitions extended beyond national boundaries to the creation of a federal union of African states. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]United for the good of all[/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica]Explaining his vision in his 1961 book, I Speak of Freedom, he wrote: "Divided we are weak; united, Africa could become one of the greatest forces for good in the world. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]" I believe strongly and sincerely that with the deep-rooted wisdom and dignity, the innate respect for human lives, the intense humanity that is our heritage, the African race, united under one federal government, will emerge not as just another world bloc to flaunt its wealth and strength, but as a Great Power whose greatness is indestructible because it is built not on fear, envy and suspicion, nor won at the expense of others, but founded on hope, trust, friendship and directed to the good of all mankind." [/FONT]

Very good post and thank you.

I would like to know when he made that statement though. The link is dated 11/04/1997 and says that he was explaining his point of view of the book he wrote in 1961. If he made the statement in 1961 or there about that would be a pretty good indication that they did in fact view themselves as "the African Race". On the other hand, though not disproving that they did, if he made the comment in 1997, then it is possible that current thinking influenced his wording.

However, thank you, that was still an excellent piece of information.

Immie

The quote is from the preface to his 1961 book, page XIV

African History: Western African history - Google Books

I could have done that myself, but I was busy doing other things. But thanks for taking the time to look that up.

Again, good post and I have to agree that it certainly looks as if back in the early 60's the African people did in fact consider themselves of the "African" race.

Immie

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. My guess he doesn't actually have a real birth certificate.
2. And I would guess he doesn't even have one *at all*, seeing he was born in a remote village in Kenya.
3. My guess is The President, is a fraud.
4. And I'm guessing that one day he will have to pay for it.
5. And I guess Donald Trump will *trump* him with exposing The President for his fraud.
6. And I think, it would then be important that the whole election be over turned, and his whole history as The President, be wiped clean from the records, and McCain and Palin take their proper place as President and Vice President.

 

[WorldWatcher]

McCain was not born anywhere in the US. And he was responsible for the worst naval accident in history..as well as losing several planes that were never shot at.

McCain was born on US Soil, as all military bases are considered to be.

You KOS Kiddies need a new line.

>

1. Birth Documents presented during the court case of Hollister v. McCain show that he was born in Colon, Panama. Colon was never part of the US Zone nor was it part of the sub-base. (See image below.)


2. Regarding military bases being considered U.S. Territory, that is incorrect. Dependents of military members born overseas receive citizenship based on Jus sanguinis (bloodline) not Jus soli (birth on soil).

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual
7 FAM 1113 NOT INCLUDED IN THE
MEANING OF "IN THE UNITED STATES"

c. Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on
U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad:

(1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad
and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of
the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A
child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the
United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of
birth.​

>>>>

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You CON$ just make this crap up out of thin air!!!

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-ACC.pdf

25. FATHER’S RACE (Check one or more races to indicate what the father considers himself to be)
□ White
□ Black or African American
□ American Indian or Alaska Native (Name of the enrolled or principal tribe)________________
□ Asian Indian
□ Chinese
□ Filipino
□ Japanese
□ Korean
□ Vietnamese
□ Other Asian (Specify)______________________________
□ Native Hawaiian
□ Guamanian or Chamorro
□ Samoan
□ Other Pacific Islander (Specify)______________________
□ Other (Specify)___________________________________

Is this form from the 1960's or now? Assuming the 1960's . . . .

Why would Obama's father check the 'African American' box? He wasn't an American. He was, however, black. Given a choice of 'black' or 'African American' he would have checked the 'black' box.

The black and African American are the SAME box.

The point was that African is listed as a race, along with Japanese, Korean, etc.
Obviously he could have chosen the "other" box and filled in African.

The document you used was revised in . 11/2003 That box wasn't there in 1961. The term African American even with blacks wasn't used until the 80's

 

[bigrebnc1775]

1997
Revisions to the Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity

5. Comments on Recommendations for Terminology

Comments on terminology largely supported the Interagency Committee's recommendations to retain the term "American Indian," to change "Hawaiian" to "Native Hawaiian," and to change "Black" to "Black or African American." There were a few requests to include "Latino" in the category name for the Hispanic population.

Revisions to the Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity | The White House

From a Blog:
If you do not want to read all of this, the term "African American" emerged in the 1980s. I remember that too. Prior to that, the term used to classify the race of African Americans was"Black". Prior to "Black", which emerged in the mid 60's, the term used was "Colored" which began after the return of Vietnam Vets. Prior to colored, the term used was "Negro" which began in the north where the slaves were free.
When Did the Term "African American" arise in the US? - whereabouts's Blog - Blogster

From Answer . com


A poem by the name of "I Can" created the term African American in 1987. The poem was written by Johnny Duncan. It appeared in The 1987 Black History Calendar, and all subsequent editions through 1993.



Read more: Answers.com - Where did the term African-American originate
From the New York Times
'African-American' Becomes a Term for Debate


"I've had to check several different boxes in my lifetime," said Donna Brazile, 44, Al Gore's campaign manager in the 2000 presidential race. "In my birth certificate I'm identified as a Negro. Then I was black. Now I readily check African-American. I have a group of friends and we call ourselves the colored girls sometimes, to remind ourselves that we ain't too far from that, either."

The term African-American has crept steadily into the nation's vocabulary since 1988, when the Rev. Jesse Jackson held a news conference to urge Americans to use it to refer to blacks.

"It puts us in our proper historical context," Mr. Jackson said then, adding in a recent interview that he still favored the term. "Every ethnic group in this country has a reference to some land base, some historical cultural base. African-Americans have hit that level of cultural maturity."

Since 1989, the number of blacks using the term has steadily increased, polls show. In a survey that year conducted by ABC and The Washington Post, 66 percent said they preferred the term black, 22 preferred African-American, 10 percent liked both terms and 2 percent had no opinion.

In 2000, the Census Bureau for the first time allowed respondents to check a box that carried the heading African-American next to the term black. In 2003, a poll by the same news organizations found that 48 percent of blacks preferred the term African-American, 35 percent favored black and 17 percent liked both terms.

'African-American' Becomes a Term for Debate

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So he was given that form (the one you posted) and had to fill it out and from the info he put down, the long-form birth certificate was typed up. You'd think I'd know this having had three kids but I don't remember anything about forms when I was in the hospital . . too much pain and too much else on my mind and I'm drawing a blank on the whole forms thing . . .

The form you posted was revised in 2003. How was it worded in 1961?

You tell me!

Here's one from 1964. I don't know if each state has/had its own version or if there is just one standard form for all.

According to this form is just asks for 'color or race'. So the 'African' question comes back to terms used back then. Again, if I were asked my 'color or race', I wouldn't say 'American', I'd say white even if I were from Africa. But how I'd answer doesn't mean squat. lol He may very well have thought of his race as African rather than black or that may very well have been a term a person from Africa would have used. Then again, a black man/white woman having a child was much more uncommon back then so maybe he put down African to divert attention from that. Who knows.

There's info on here that isn't on the COLB (signature of doc present, hospital, attendant at birth, and some other dates). Why not just release the long form if that's the only other additional information? It just seems to me that that would shut everyone up once and for all. Well, it would shut everyone up except for the 10% loons who will never be satisfied.

Did they have white African black in the 60's?

 

[Zoom-boing]

You tell me!

Here's one from 1964. I don't know if each state has/had its own version or if there is just one standard form for all.

According to this form is just asks for 'color or race'. So the 'African' question comes back to terms used back then. Again, if I were asked my 'color or race', I wouldn't say 'American', I'd say white even if I were from Africa. But how I'd answer doesn't mean squat. lol He may very well have thought of his race as African rather than black or that may very well have been a term a person from Africa would have used. Then again, a black man/white woman having a child was much more uncommon back then so maybe he put down African to divert attention from that. Who knows.

There's info on here that isn't on the COLB (signature of doc present, hospital, attendant at birth, and some other dates). Why not just release the long form if that's the only other additional information? It just seems to me that that would shut everyone up once and for all. Well, it would shut everyone up except for the 10% loons who will never be satisfied.

Did they have white African black in the 60's?

Nice typo!

The only thing I found on the 1964 form I posted previously was that it said 'color or race' and you filled it in. No boxes to check, the person filled it in with whatever they chose.

 

[rightwinger]

Crack Trump investigators looking for the "goods" on Obama

 

[Zoom-boing]

^^^

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Here's one from 1964. I don't know if each state has/had its own version or if there is just one standard form for all.

According to this form is just asks for 'color or race'. So the 'African' question comes back to terms used back then. Again, if I were asked my 'color or race', I wouldn't say 'American', I'd say white even if I were from Africa. But how I'd answer doesn't mean squat. lol He may very well have thought of his race as African rather than black or that may very well have been a term a person from Africa would have used. Then again, a black man/white woman having a child was much more uncommon back then so maybe he put down African to divert attention from that. Who knows.

There's info on here that isn't on the COLB (signature of doc present, hospital, attendant at birth, and some other dates). Why not just release the long form if that's the only other additional information? It just seems to me that that would shut everyone up once and for all. Well, it would shut everyone up except for the 10% loons who will never be satisfied.

Did they have white African black in the 60's?

Nice typo!

The only thing I found on the 1964 form I posted previously was that it said 'color or race' and you filled it in. No boxes to check, the person filled it in with whatever they chose.

Yep, However we need to look at the race issue of the 60's not 2000. There are White Africans, and more than one country in African.

 

[idb]

Did they have white African black in the 60's?

Nice typo!

The only thing I found on the 1964 form I posted previously was that it said 'color or race' and you filled it in. No boxes to check, the person filled it in with whatever they chose.

Yep, However we need to look at the race issue of the 60's not 2000. There are White Africans, and more than one country in African.

What a minor point for argument.
It's entirely plausible that a black African person would identify themselves as African back in the early '60s when asked to put down race on a form.
Let it go!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Nice typo!

The only thing I found on the 1964 form I posted previously was that it said 'color or race' and you filled it in. No boxes to check, the person filled it in with whatever they chose.

Yep, However we need to look at the race issue of the 60's not 2000. There are White Africans, and more than one country in African.

What a minor point for argument.
It's entirely plausible that a black African person would identify themselves as African back in the early '60s when asked to put down race on a form.
Let it go!

It's not a minor point. No it's not plausible on government documents, from the 60's Plus take a look at the other post I made.