Trump is putting coal workers out of work

[pknopp]

But it was empty rhetoric. This is also why she lost Pennsylvania in part. She took this part of the country for granted. The western part of Pennsylvania left her over coal and the eastern part left her because she ignored them to go smooze in California. It's why the country continues to support the electoral college. She certainly did very well in California.

Democrats can learn this or continue to complain about a system that isn't going to change.

Another Bernie Bro heard from.

Okay, let's look at that. Yes, she didn't do what Trump did and promise the coal miners the moon. She told them a stark reality that coal is on it's way out, one way or the other and they needed to learn how to do something else for a living. In short, she told them a harsh truth.

Trump lied but he provided hope. Hillary offered nothing. Consider everything I'm saying. Here is exactly what they heard. "You are going to lose your jobs and I'm out of here because California has a lot to offer me".

She lost Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for crying out loud. She did that, not Trump. (well Obama played a part with Michigan). The Democrats still haven't learned.

The majority doesn't support the EC.

Poll: Voters prefer popular vote over Electoral College

Half of voters say the national popular vote should be used for presidential elections, according to the poll.

www.politico.com

Half of voters, 50 percent, say the national popular vote should be used for presidential elections, the poll shows — more than the 34 percent who think presidential elections should be based on the Electoral College. Sixteen percent of voters have no opinion.

I'm sure that after Trump is shown the door, you are going to see a new movement to abolish the EC, because he's been such a fucking disaster.

It's going nowhere. At least for the forseeable future. So the Democrats can do two things. Nominate a decent person the people can support or lose.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

They had a choice, Russian BS aside. So did the burbs in the Rust Belt, and they chose DJT. And now they are crying Covid-19 mismanagement from the WH and everything else from coal to no health benefits.

So you believe they would have done better under Hillary?

Hillary lost coal country because she stated she would put coal miners out of work. Under Trump we are simply working towards what she said she would do.

No she didn't say she would put coal miners out of work.

You just repeated a lie.

She told them that their jobs are going away and won't come back. Then she offered them reeducation so they wouldn't be totally screwed.

She told them the ugly truth. Coal is a dying industry. Much more cleaner and much more efficient sources of energy are being used and developed.

They chose to go with the liar who pandered to them with lies to get them to vote against their best interest. They chose the lazy way and they got totally screwed.

If people are too lazy to take responsibility for their own lives then I really can't have any sympathy for them.

They made the bad choice. Now they don't want to take responsibility for that bad choice.

They were warned. They ignored the truth and warnings. They made the lazy choice. They got what they voted for. I have no sympathy for them.

"Reeducation" for what?

Read her energy and coal proposal.

Reeducation in new energy industries, in computers, in medical field or any other field they want to work in.

She proposed 30 billion for them to be retrained.

They chose to not do the work to secure their own future. Which was a very bad choice. So now they are totally screwed. No job, no retraining and no hope for a future.

They made the very bad choice to take the lazy way. They chose trump the liar who now has abandoned the workers and they've been left high and dry on their own.

They were warned. They ignored the warnings. They got what they voted for. Now they're whining about it.

They should stop whining, go get new training and get their lives together.

I highly doubt they will do that. They have already shown they are too lazy to do the work for their own future.

The result will be more generational poverty in West Virginia.

They had a chance at a better life, they were too lazy to take it.

There are no alternative energy jobs (or at least not that many), computer or nursing jobs to be had. What good is it to offer people training in non existent jobs and how do they survive until these jobs happen to appear?

Empty rhetoric.

But yeah, go ahead and note how you have no sympathy for them. How Democrat of you.

There might not be in your area but my area has alternative energy jobs.

You might not need nurses or health care workers where you live but they are needed all over the nation.

You may not have many computer jobs where you live but there are tons of them all over the nation.

Those aren't the only jobs. People can go to school to learn anything they want. Not just what I listed.

Stop being so negative. You're just making excuses and enabling those workers to remain lazy and in poverty. Many other people in professions that died got retrained. The coal miners can do the same thing. When was the last time anyone needed a key punch operator?

Then there are the manufacturing jobs that went overseas. All those workers were offered retraining so they could have a career that would support them.

Stop advocating for people to be so lazy. Coal is a dying industry. They were told the truth. They were told they would get help to be retrained. All it took from them is the work to do it. They were too lazy to want to do the work so now they're screwed.

Your attitude only allows them to remain lazy and create more generational poverty.

Good going.

Yep, all is necessarily both conservative and liberal. Trying to preserve a long established industry with previously "good jobs" is conservative. Not accepting and adapting to change is also conservative. Fighting to create new "good jobs" is liberal. Focusing on people rather than money and things so much is liberal.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

They had a choice, Russian BS aside. So did the burbs in the Rust Belt, and they chose DJT. And now they are crying Covid-19 mismanagement from the WH and everything else from coal to no health benefits.

So you believe they would have done better under Hillary?

Hillary lost coal country because she stated she would put coal miners out of work. Under Trump we are simply working towards what she said she would do.

No she didn't say she would put coal miners out of work.

You just repeated a lie.

She told them that their jobs are going away and won't come back. Then she offered them reeducation so they wouldn't be totally screwed.

She told them the ugly truth. Coal is a dying industry. Much more cleaner and much more efficient sources of energy are being used and developed.

They chose to go with the liar who pandered to them with lies to get them to vote against their best interest. They chose the lazy way and they got totally screwed.

If people are too lazy to take responsibility for their own lives then I really can't have any sympathy for them.

They made the bad choice. Now they don't want to take responsibility for that bad choice.

They were warned. They ignored the truth and warnings. They made the lazy choice. They got what they voted for. I have no sympathy for them.

"Reeducation" for what?

Read her energy and coal proposal.

Reeducation in new energy industries, in computers, in medical field or any other field they want to work in.

She proposed 30 billion for them to be retrained.

They chose to not do the work to secure their own future. Which was a very bad choice. So now they are totally screwed. No job, no retraining and no hope for a future.

They made the very bad choice to take the lazy way. They chose trump the liar who now has abandoned the workers and they've been left high and dry on their own.

They were warned. They ignored the warnings. They got what they voted for. Now they're whining about it.

They should stop whining, go get new training and get their lives together.

I highly doubt they will do that. They have already shown they are too lazy to do the work for their own future.

The result will be more generational poverty in West Virginia.

They had a chance at a better life, they were too lazy to take it.

There are no alternative energy jobs (or at least not that many), computer or nursing jobs to be had. What good is it to offer people training in non existent jobs and how do they survive until these jobs happen to appear?

Empty rhetoric.

But yeah, go ahead and note how you have no sympathy for them. How Democrat of you.

There might not be in your area but my area has alternative energy jobs.

You might not need nurses or health care workers where you live but they are needed all over the nation.

You may not have many computer jobs where you live but there are tons of them all over the nation.

Those aren't the only jobs. People can go to school to learn anything they want. Not just what I listed.

Stop being so negative. You're just making excuses and enabling those workers to remain lazy and in poverty. Many other people in professions that died got retrained. The coal miners can do the same thing. When was the last time anyone needed a key punch operator?

Then there are the manufacturing jobs that went overseas. All those workers were offered retraining so they could have a career that would support them.

Stop advocating for people to be so lazy. Coal is a dying industry. They were told the truth. They were told they would get help to be retrained. All it took from them is the work to do it. They were too lazy to want to do the work so now they're screwed.

Your attitude only allows them to remain lazy and create more generational poverty.

Good going.

There are no jobs. Are you really going to argue that people don't have jobs or even more specifically decent paying jobs simply because they are lazy?

I'm not talking about right now during this pandemic.

In normal times there are jobs.

Again, have you ever been in coal mining country? No there is not.

Right now the medical field needs workers for countless jobs. The covid virus is going to raise the number of breathing specialists needed alone.

Then there's the rural areas. They barely have a clinic muchness a hospital. I own a second house in one of those rural areas. The nearest hospital is 40 miles away. And that one is a small one with limited services. Most have to travel all the way to King county to get proper medical help.

The need for workers is limited now but that's not going to last forever.

No, those who want good paying jobs aren't lazy. Those who aren't willing to take the time and work to be able to do those good paying jobs are the lazy ones. Like the coal miners who turned down free education. So many are paying on college loans yet those miners turned free college or trade school training down.

I don't think that is smart. It's not the actions of people who are willing to put in the work to be trained in a profession that can support them. It's the actions of lazy people who don't want to keep up with society and the changes our society goes through.

Your attitude only enables the mess. Look at where they are now. They have no job. No ability to get a new job. Seems to me that all the denial and excuses aren't changing their situation for the better. The only thing that will do that is retraining for a profession that will support them. A bonus, it won't be a profession that kills them like coal will.

It's classic capitalism doing it's job. It's a very good example of why supply side economics doesn't work. It's another example that no amount of tax cuts, no amount of deregulation, no amount of privatization will prevent it. A company can supply all the coal they want. America is the Saudi Arabia of coal.

It's worthless if people don't buy it.

Hospitals in WV are going out of business.

Struggles likely to continue for West Virginia hospitals - WV MetroNews

Sure, because WV has refused to adapt in any serious way. It's not like they didn't have fair warning.

 

[pknopp]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

They had a choice, Russian BS aside. So did the burbs in the Rust Belt, and they chose DJT. And now they are crying Covid-19 mismanagement from the WH and everything else from coal to no health benefits.

So you believe they would have done better under Hillary?

Hillary lost coal country because she stated she would put coal miners out of work. Under Trump we are simply working towards what she said she would do.

No she didn't say she would put coal miners out of work.

You just repeated a lie.

She told them that their jobs are going away and won't come back. Then she offered them reeducation so they wouldn't be totally screwed.

She told them the ugly truth. Coal is a dying industry. Much more cleaner and much more efficient sources of energy are being used and developed.

They chose to go with the liar who pandered to them with lies to get them to vote against their best interest. They chose the lazy way and they got totally screwed.

If people are too lazy to take responsibility for their own lives then I really can't have any sympathy for them.

They made the bad choice. Now they don't want to take responsibility for that bad choice.

They were warned. They ignored the truth and warnings. They made the lazy choice. They got what they voted for. I have no sympathy for them.

"Reeducation" for what?

Read her energy and coal proposal.

Reeducation in new energy industries, in computers, in medical field or any other field they want to work in.

She proposed 30 billion for them to be retrained.

They chose to not do the work to secure their own future. Which was a very bad choice. So now they are totally screwed. No job, no retraining and no hope for a future.

They made the very bad choice to take the lazy way. They chose trump the liar who now has abandoned the workers and they've been left high and dry on their own.

They were warned. They ignored the warnings. They got what they voted for. Now they're whining about it.

They should stop whining, go get new training and get their lives together.

I highly doubt they will do that. They have already shown they are too lazy to do the work for their own future.

The result will be more generational poverty in West Virginia.

They had a chance at a better life, they were too lazy to take it.

There are no alternative energy jobs (or at least not that many), computer or nursing jobs to be had. What good is it to offer people training in non existent jobs and how do they survive until these jobs happen to appear?

Empty rhetoric.

But yeah, go ahead and note how you have no sympathy for them. How Democrat of you.

There might not be in your area but my area has alternative energy jobs.

You might not need nurses or health care workers where you live but they are needed all over the nation.

You may not have many computer jobs where you live but there are tons of them all over the nation.

Those aren't the only jobs. People can go to school to learn anything they want. Not just what I listed.

Stop being so negative. You're just making excuses and enabling those workers to remain lazy and in poverty. Many other people in professions that died got retrained. The coal miners can do the same thing. When was the last time anyone needed a key punch operator?

Then there are the manufacturing jobs that went overseas. All those workers were offered retraining so they could have a career that would support them.

Stop advocating for people to be so lazy. Coal is a dying industry. They were told the truth. They were told they would get help to be retrained. All it took from them is the work to do it. They were too lazy to want to do the work so now they're screwed.

Your attitude only allows them to remain lazy and create more generational poverty.

Good going.

There are no jobs. Are you really going to argue that people don't have jobs or even more specifically decent paying jobs simply because they are lazy?

I'm not talking about right now during this pandemic.

In normal times there are jobs.

Again, have you ever been in coal mining country? No there is not.

Right now the medical field needs workers for countless jobs. The covid virus is going to raise the number of breathing specialists needed alone.

Then there's the rural areas. They barely have a clinic muchness a hospital. I own a second house in one of those rural areas. The nearest hospital is 40 miles away. And that one is a small one with limited services. Most have to travel all the way to King county to get proper medical help.

The need for workers is limited now but that's not going to last forever.

No, those who want good paying jobs aren't lazy. Those who aren't willing to take the time and work to be able to do those good paying jobs are the lazy ones. Like the coal miners who turned down free education. So many are paying on college loans yet those miners turned free college or trade school training down.

I don't think that is smart. It's not the actions of people who are willing to put in the work to be trained in a profession that can support them. It's the actions of lazy people who don't want to keep up with society and the changes our society goes through.

Your attitude only enables the mess. Look at where they are now. They have no job. No ability to get a new job. Seems to me that all the denial and excuses aren't changing their situation for the better. The only thing that will do that is retraining for a profession that will support them. A bonus, it won't be a profession that kills them like coal will.

It's classic capitalism doing it's job. It's a very good example of why supply side economics doesn't work. It's another example that no amount of tax cuts, no amount of deregulation, no amount of privatization will prevent it. A company can supply all the coal they want. America is the Saudi Arabia of coal.

It's worthless if people don't buy it.

Hospitals in WV are going out of business.

Struggles likely to continue for West Virginia hospitals - WV MetroNews

Sure, because WV has refused to adapt in any serious way. It's not like they didn't have fair warning.

Adapt? In what way?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Adapt? In what way?

By embracing clean energy tech and transitioning to the information age. I live in coal country. My grandfather was an engineer on the old Pennsylvania Railroad. That job killed him young. We're not all that much better over here, but at least we haven't allowed much mountaintop removal, faik. We started the whole oil industry and soon moved on. Then again there's fracking.. Look to New York for a model of how to handle that.

 

[pknopp]

Adapt? In what way?

By embracing clean energy tech and transitioning to the information age. I live in coal country. My grandfather was an engineer on the old Pennsylvania Railroad. That job killed him young. We're not all that much better over here, but at least we haven't allowed much mountaintop removal, faik. We started the whole oil industry and soon moved on. Then again there's fracking.. Look to New York for a model of how to handle that.

That's great but these people have to work. I fully support transitioning to clean energy but these people have to work.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Adapt? In what way?

By embracing clean energy tech and transitioning to the information age. I live in coal country. My grandfather was an engineer on the old Pennsylvania Railroad. That job killed him young. We're not all that much better over here, but at least we haven't allowed much mountaintop removal, faik. We started the whole oil industry and soon moved on. Then again there's fracking.. Look to New York for a model of how to handle that.

That's great but these people have to work. I fully support transitioning to clean energy but these people have to work.

Same all over. Good thing Trump is suddenly welfare's biggest champion ever (so long as the already-have-too-muchs get the lions share, of course). That's gotta help a bit.. until November..

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The fact that even hospitals are closing in West Virginia, that state budgets and education budgets will be further challenged in the next period, that more and more corporations are bankrupt and dependent on state capitalist credits and bailouts, all show that there is going to be less and less funding available for working people to retrain, and more permanent unemployment in the next period. Real wages for the unskilled will go down and international conflict will almost certainly hurt every economy on earth.

So it makes no sense to blame West Virginia workers for being ... “lazy.” That is pathetic “blaming the victim” — really right out of the playbook of the very rich and crony capitalist class.

Here I will plug an earlier comment of mine, which provides no easy answers but at least offers a little social and political context: Trump is putting coal workers out of work

 

[pknopp]

Adapt? In what way?

By embracing clean energy tech and transitioning to the information age. I live in coal country. My grandfather was an engineer on the old Pennsylvania Railroad. That job killed him young. We're not all that much better over here, but at least we haven't allowed much mountaintop removal, faik. We started the whole oil industry and soon moved on. Then again there's fracking.. Look to New York for a model of how to handle that.

That's great but these people have to work. I fully support transitioning to clean energy but these people have to work.

Same all over. Good thing Trump is suddenly welfare's biggest champion ever (so long as the already-have-too-muchs get the lions share, of course). That's gotta help a bit.. until November..

Absolutely, but Hillary offered the same. I don't support it with Trump and didn't with Hillary.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

What economic, or government policy did Trump implement, that harmed coal?

Well he must have done something to help coal then right? I mean the industry and jobs in the industry are growing correct?

 

[pyetro]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

What economic, or government policy did Trump implement, that harmed coal?

Well he must have done something to help coal then right? I mean the industry and jobs in the industry are growing correct?

No it's not.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

What economic, or government policy did Trump implement, that harmed coal?

Well he must have done something to help coal then right? I mean the industry and jobs in the industry are growing correct?

No it's not.

EXACTLY!!!!

 

[Andylusion]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

What economic, or government policy did Trump implement, that harmed coal?

Well he must have done something to help coal then right? I mean the industry and jobs in the industry are growing correct?

I'll ask again.
What economic, or government policy did Trump implement, that harmed coal?

Statement:
"Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coal workers."

Provide proof of claim;
What economic, or government policy, did Trump implement, that "has been a nightmare for coal workers"?

If you are not able to do that, then you are by lack of answer, admitting the original statement was a lie.

Trump never had the ability to revive coal. Everyone who worked in coal, should have known this. Each state controls what power plants open to supply power in the state.

As long as idiotic people control state government, and determine what energy source they use to provide power, there is no way to force a revival of the coal industry.

Especially when the real disaster that fell on coal, actually was not entirely due to government regulations. Part of it was, yes.

But the real damage to coal was how the price of natural gas fell.

Which by the way, is yet another reason, stupid people on the left should stop acting like "experts" know anything. Every single expert said that natural gas was going to triple, or double, or increase slowly. Zero of these brilliant 'experts' predicted natural gas prices would fall.

Just like how all the "experts" predicted massive deaths from Swine Flu, Bird Flu, SARS, Mad Cow, and now we have Corona, with millions on millions of deaths, and instead nothing of the sort.

Only in left-wing land, can people be consistently wrong for literally decades, and still be held up as reasons to change the policy of the world.

So back to Coal. Nothing Trump could do for coal. Unless some new method for converting coal to energy is discovered, that is vastly cheaper, it is unlikely that the market will move back to coal.

Or, alternatively, if nuclear and natural gas reverse direction, and become more expensive than coal. But that is not likely given historical trends.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Trump never had the ability to revive coal.

We know. But he was too stupid to know it. And you're sticking with stupid come hell or high water.

Everyone who worked in coal, should have known this.

Ah, so Trump giving them false hope and reason to just sit and wait longer was the coal worker's fault. Got it.

 

[JoeB131]

Lol, a poll.

yeah, funny that. Most of us wouldn't pick coal if we had a choice. This is the difference between Democracy and Plutocracy, and I much prefer Democracy.

 

[martybegan]

Lol, a poll.

yeah, funny that. Most of us wouldn't pick coal if we had a choice. This is the difference between Democracy and Plutocracy, and I much prefer Democracy.

Most people don't care as long as the light turns on when the flick the switch.

Try to force solar/wind onto the grid as the major source of power, and that switch may not work all the time.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump lied but he provided hope. Hillary offered nothing. Consider everything I'm saying. Here is exactly what they heard. "You are going to lose your jobs and I'm out of here because California has a lot to offer me".

If they heard that, then they are idiots. What I heard was someone who said we needed a plan to transition people away from a dying industry and into new lines of work. But I get where the Bernie Bros are all upset we didn't have the Communist Revolution in 2016 or 2020.

She lost Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for crying out loud. She did that, not Trump. (well Obama played a part with Michigan). The Democrats still haven't learned.

Or maybe they will not waste as much time on the Rust Belt states, all of which are going to lose electors this next round anyway. Right now, Biden is leading in these states, but he's also leading in NC, TX, AZ and FL. He could potentially win without them.

It's going nowhere. At least for the forseeable future. So the Democrats can do two things. Nominate a decent person the people can support or lose.

Why, are you saying the Republicans nominated a "Decent Person"?

Look, I'm not fond of Hillary for a bunch of reasons, and she wasn't a good candidate. But the people got this right. The EC Got it wrong. Short term, come up with a plan to win it, but long term, let's get rid of the fucking thing.

 

[JoeB131]

Most people don't care as long as the light turns on when the flick the switch.

Try to force solar/wind onto the grid as the major source of power, and that switch may not work all the time.

Actually, it would work just fine if we invested in the infrastructure... But again, the difference between democracy and plutocracy.

 

[martybegan]

Most people don't care as long as the light turns on when the flick the switch.

Try to force solar/wind onto the grid as the major source of power, and that switch may not work all the time.

Actually, it would work just fine if we invested in the infrastructure... But again, the difference between democracy and plutocracy.

We do invest in infrastructure, the problem is we don't maintain it and special interest groups make it take 20 years to get anything approved.

 

[Grumblenuts]

But I get where the Bernie Bros are all upset we didn't have the Communist Revolution in 2016 or 2020

Boy, what a determined idiot you can be at times