Trump praises Universal Healthcare

[bendog]

Pfft. Trump has no interest in leading or even society. He just wanted the potus gig.

That's all LBJ wanted. He had no plan to go down in history as the civil rights President.

Trump's ego will demand a legacy. And that legacy will be single payer. The huckster has advocated single payer health care for decades.

Bush and Obama seemed concerned about their legacy
I don't see it in Trump. Building a legacy takes work and Trump doesn't seem to want to do it

Besides, he will declare himself our greatest President anyway

I'll give the Trumpbots this, the Orange Cretin is different breed of cat when it comes to potuses.

Yep, he is a real person, not a full of shit politician, he talks and acts like a real person, not a fricken talking point robot.

he's mentally unstable, that's not a bragging point.

yeah, if Trump's anyone's idea of a stable statesmenlike figure ..... well, it's a shame the Orange Cretin wants to gut psychiatric services. LOL

 

[task0778]

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.


works for me

And me

but not for the Aussies, or the Brits, or the Canadians, or the Germans, or the French, or the Italians, or the Russians, or the Chinese.

Tell us where socialized medicine has been a success.

And then tell us how much everybody in those countries have to pay for their UHC. And it's EVERYBODY, not just the top 50%, try telling the American public you'll give 'em UHC but they'll have to pay a 20-25% VAT tax like they do in the European social democracies that have UHC, let's see how that goes over.

The US already spends wayyy more per capita that other countries. Money should not be at issue.

Depends on who's spending it. You kinda dodged the issue here, all of the UHC countries have very high tax rates on ALL of their people and most of them also have a 20-5% VAT. And here's the other thing - innovation goes right down the tubes, new drugs and new treatments are very expensive to create and test cuz you gotta pay for the hundreds of failures to arrive at the one thing that works well.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Trump praises Australia's universal health care after Obamacare repeal - CNNPolitics.com

It's going to be fantastic health care," Trump said, referring to his new health care plan. "I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do."

US Senator Bernie Sanders quickly picked up on the remark which came after Trump's new bill passed by a handful of votes. The new law still has to pass the US Senate.


"Well Mr President, you're right, in Australia and every other major country on Earth they guarantee health care to all people. They don't throw 24 million people off health insurance. So maybe when we get to the Senate we should start off with looking at the Australian health care system," Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.




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/---- so you support Trump now?

If he wants to go to universal healthcare, then yes, I would support him on this matter.

just one question: who is going to pay for it? are you ready to start paying a national sales tax or a VAT tax? how do you think the Europeans fund their socialized medicine?

/---- Pay for it? Libs are confounded.

 

[Borillar]

Trump praises Australia's universal health care after Obamacare repeal - CNNPolitics.com

It's going to be fantastic health care," Trump said, referring to his new health care plan. "I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do."

US Senator Bernie Sanders quickly picked up on the remark which came after Trump's new bill passed by a handful of votes. The new law still has to pass the US Senate.


"Well Mr President, you're right, in Australia and every other major country on Earth they guarantee health care to all people. They don't throw 24 million people off health insurance. So maybe when we get to the Senate we should start off with looking at the Australian health care system," Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.




.

/---- so you support Trump now?

If he wants to go to universal healthcare, then yes, I would support him on this matter.

just one question: who is going to pay for it? are you ready to start paying a national sales tax or a VAT tax? how do you think the Europeans fund their socialized medicine?

/---- Pay for it? Libs are confounded.
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Americans already pay twice per capita what other countries pay for healthcare and not everyone gets covered.

 

[Aries]

That's all LBJ wanted. He had no plan to go down in history as the civil rights President.

Trump's ego will demand a legacy. And that legacy will be single payer. The huckster has advocated single payer health care for decades.

Bush and Obama seemed concerned about their legacy
I don't see it in Trump. Building a legacy takes work and Trump doesn't seem to want to do it

Besides, he will declare himself our greatest President anyway

I'll give the Trumpbots this, the Orange Cretin is different breed of cat when it comes to potuses.

Yep, he is a real person, not a full of shit politician, he talks and acts like a real person, not a fricken talking point robot.

he's mentally unstable, that's not a bragging point.

what do you have to back up that claim? You don't like him, you voted for the lying, corrupt, crazy hildebeast and you dare call anyone else unstable. LOL

The Narcissist
Psychologists believe Trump is showing signs of severe mental illness
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html?_r=0
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-rep...-donald-trumps-personality-make-him-dangerous
Shrinks Define Dangers of Trump Presidency

 

[bendog]

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.


works for me

And me

but not for the Aussies, or the Brits, or the Canadians, or the Germans, or the French, or the Italians, or the Russians, or the Chinese.

Tell us where socialized medicine has been a success.

And then tell us how much everybody in those countries have to pay for their UHC. And it's EVERYBODY, not just the top 50%, try telling the American public you'll give 'em UHC but they'll have to pay a 20-25% VAT tax like they do in the European social democracies that have UHC, let's see how that goes over.

The US already spends wayyy more per capita that other countries. Money should not be at issue.

Depends on who's spending it. You kinda dodged the issue here, all of the UHC countries have very high tax rates on ALL of their people and most of them also have a 20-5% VAT. And here's the other thing - innovation goes right down the tubes, new drugs and new treatments are very expensive to create and test cuz you gotta pay for the hundreds of failures to arrive at the one thing that works well.

I didn't dodge anything. You postulated taxes would have to be raised. They would not. In fact, we'd spend less if we spent the same per capita that the UK or Canada spends. Germany, France and Poland are not single payer, btw.

 

[bendog]

Trump praises Australia's universal health care after Obamacare repeal - CNNPolitics.com

It's going to be fantastic health care," Trump said, referring to his new health care plan. "I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do."

US Senator Bernie Sanders quickly picked up on the remark which came after Trump's new bill passed by a handful of votes. The new law still has to pass the US Senate.


"Well Mr President, you're right, in Australia and every other major country on Earth they guarantee health care to all people. They don't throw 24 million people off health insurance. So maybe when we get to the Senate we should start off with looking at the Australian health care system," Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.




.

/---- so you support Trump now?

If he wants to go to universal healthcare, then yes, I would support him on this matter.

just one question: who is going to pay for it? are you ready to start paying a national sales tax or a VAT tax? how do you think the Europeans fund their socialized medicine?

/---- Pay for it? Libs are confounded.
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Americans already pay twice per capita what other countries pay for healthcare and not everyone gets covered.

And even with the pre-Obamacare system, people did get treatment. They sometimes went bankrupt and even then didn't pay their bills, and the costs were passed down to those with private insurance and/or docs just did more procedures on medicare patients.

 

[task0778]

And me

but not for the Aussies, or the Brits, or the Canadians, or the Germans, or the French, or the Italians, or the Russians, or the Chinese.

Tell us where socialized medicine has been a success.

And then tell us how much everybody in those countries have to pay for their UHC. And it's EVERYBODY, not just the top 50%, try telling the American public you'll give 'em UHC but they'll have to pay a 20-25% VAT tax like they do in the European social democracies that have UHC, let's see how that goes over.

The US already spends wayyy more per capita that other countries. Money should not be at issue.

Depends on who's spending it. You kinda dodged the issue here, all of the UHC countries have very high tax rates on ALL of their people and most of them also have a 20-5% VAT. And here's the other thing - innovation goes right down the tubes, new drugs and new treatments are very expensive to create and test cuz you gotta pay for the hundreds of failures to arrive at the one thing that works well.

I didn't dodge anything. You postulated taxes would have to be raised. They would not. In fact, we'd spend less if we spent the same per capita that the UK or Canada spends. Germany, France and Poland are not single payer, btw.

Wouldn't it be nice if that were true. Unfortunately it is not.

 

[bendog]

but not for the Aussies, or the Brits, or the Canadians, or the Germans, or the French, or the Italians, or the Russians, or the Chinese.

Tell us where socialized medicine has been a success.

And then tell us how much everybody in those countries have to pay for their UHC. And it's EVERYBODY, not just the top 50%, try telling the American public you'll give 'em UHC but they'll have to pay a 20-25% VAT tax like they do in the European social democracies that have UHC, let's see how that goes over.

The US already spends wayyy more per capita that other countries. Money should not be at issue.

Depends on who's spending it. You kinda dodged the issue here, all of the UHC countries have very high tax rates on ALL of their people and most of them also have a 20-5% VAT. And here's the other thing - innovation goes right down the tubes, new drugs and new treatments are very expensive to create and test cuz you gotta pay for the hundreds of failures to arrive at the one thing that works well.

I didn't dodge anything. You postulated taxes would have to be raised. They would not. In fact, we'd spend less if we spent the same per capita that the UK or Canada spends. Germany, France and Poland are not single payer, btw.

Wouldn't it be nice if that were true. Unfortunately it is not.

What's untrue?

 

[task0778]

And then tell us how much everybody in those countries have to pay for their UHC. And it's EVERYBODY, not just the top 50%, try telling the American public you'll give 'em UHC but they'll have to pay a 20-25% VAT tax like they do in the European social democracies that have UHC, let's see how that goes over.

The US already spends wayyy more per capita that other countries. Money should not be at issue.

Depends on who's spending it. You kinda dodged the issue here, all of the UHC countries have very high tax rates on ALL of their people and most of them also have a 20-5% VAT. And here's the other thing - innovation goes right down the tubes, new drugs and new treatments are very expensive to create and test cuz you gotta pay for the hundreds of failures to arrive at the one thing that works well.

I didn't dodge anything. You postulated taxes would have to be raised. They would not. In fact, we'd spend less if we spent the same per capita that the UK or Canada spends. Germany, France and Poland are not single payer, btw.

Wouldn't it be nice if that were true. Unfortunately it is not.

What's untrue?

The part about taxes not being raised in this country if we went to UHC. Pure poppycock. So tell me, why did UHC fail in Vermont? Why does the VA system totally suck? Do you really think innovations in drugs and treatment would be unaffected? Why do you think those countries with UHC have to employ a VAT tax at somewhere between 20-25%? Why do you think they pay a high income tax and not just the top 50% either? It's like you guys are ignoring reality, which is that UHC is expensive. NOTHING is cheaper when the gov't runs it, nor is it stream-lined and more efficient. The VA proves that.

 

[bendog]

The US already spends wayyy more per capita that other countries. Money should not be at issue.

Depends on who's spending it. You kinda dodged the issue here, all of the UHC countries have very high tax rates on ALL of their people and most of them also have a 20-5% VAT. And here's the other thing - innovation goes right down the tubes, new drugs and new treatments are very expensive to create and test cuz you gotta pay for the hundreds of failures to arrive at the one thing that works well.

I didn't dodge anything. You postulated taxes would have to be raised. They would not. In fact, we'd spend less if we spent the same per capita that the UK or Canada spends. Germany, France and Poland are not single payer, btw.

Wouldn't it be nice if that were true. Unfortunately it is not.

What's untrue?

The part about taxes not being raised in this country if we went to UHC. Pure poppycock. So tell me, why did UHC fail in Vermont? Why does the VA system totally suck? Do you really think innovations in drugs and treatment would be unaffected? Why do you think those countries with UHC have to employ a VAT tax at somewhere between 20-25%? Why do you think they pay a high income tax and not just the top 50% either? It's like you guys are ignoring reality, which is that UHC is expensive. NOTHING is cheaper when the gov't runs it, nor is it stream-lined and more efficient. The VA proves that.

Nothing you posted has anything to do with how much America spends on HC as it stands today and before Obama.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

 

[task0778]

Depends on who's spending it. You kinda dodged the issue here, all of the UHC countries have very high tax rates on ALL of their people and most of them also have a 20-5% VAT. And here's the other thing - innovation goes right down the tubes, new drugs and new treatments are very expensive to create and test cuz you gotta pay for the hundreds of failures to arrive at the one thing that works well.

I didn't dodge anything. You postulated taxes would have to be raised. They would not. In fact, we'd spend less if we spent the same per capita that the UK or Canada spends. Germany, France and Poland are not single payer, btw.

Wouldn't it be nice if that were true. Unfortunately it is not.

What's untrue?

The part about taxes not being raised in this country if we went to UHC. Pure poppycock. So tell me, why did UHC fail in Vermont? Why does the VA system totally suck? Do you really think innovations in drugs and treatment would be unaffected? Why do you think those countries with UHC have to employ a VAT tax at somewhere between 20-25%? Why do you think they pay a high income tax and not just the top 50% either? It's like you guys are ignoring reality, which is that UHC is expensive. NOTHING is cheaper when the gov't runs it, nor is it stream-lined and more efficient. The VA proves that.

Nothing you posted has anything to do with how much America spends on HC as it stands today and before Obama.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

Healthcare spending as it stands today has nothing to do with how much healthcare spending would be in a UNC system. And I noticed you totally ignored everything I said, got no answers for those questions apparently.

 

[bendog]

I didn't dodge anything. You postulated taxes would have to be raised. They would not. In fact, we'd spend less if we spent the same per capita that the UK or Canada spends. Germany, France and Poland are not single payer, btw.

Wouldn't it be nice if that were true. Unfortunately it is not.

What's untrue?

The part about taxes not being raised in this country if we went to UHC. Pure poppycock. So tell me, why did UHC fail in Vermont? Why does the VA system totally suck? Do you really think innovations in drugs and treatment would be unaffected? Why do you think those countries with UHC have to employ a VAT tax at somewhere between 20-25%? Why do you think they pay a high income tax and not just the top 50% either? It's like you guys are ignoring reality, which is that UHC is expensive. NOTHING is cheaper when the gov't runs it, nor is it stream-lined and more efficient. The VA proves that.

Nothing you posted has anything to do with how much America spends on HC as it stands today and before Obama.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

Healthcare spending as it stands today has nothing to do with how much healthcare spending would be in a UNC system. And I noticed you totally ignored everything I said, got no answers for those questions apparently.

What is your basis for arguing a single payer system costs more than what we have now? Do you have citations?

 

[task0778]

Wouldn't it be nice if that were true. Unfortunately it is not.

What's untrue?

The part about taxes not being raised in this country if we went to UHC. Pure poppycock. So tell me, why did UHC fail in Vermont? Why does the VA system totally suck? Do you really think innovations in drugs and treatment would be unaffected? Why do you think those countries with UHC have to employ a VAT tax at somewhere between 20-25%? Why do you think they pay a high income tax and not just the top 50% either? It's like you guys are ignoring reality, which is that UHC is expensive. NOTHING is cheaper when the gov't runs it, nor is it stream-lined and more efficient. The VA proves that.

Nothing you posted has anything to do with how much America spends on HC as it stands today and before Obama.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

Healthcare spending as it stands today has nothing to do with how much healthcare spending would be in a UNC system. And I noticed you totally ignored everything I said, got no answers for those questions apparently.

What is your basis for arguing a single payer system costs more than what we have now? Do you have citations?

" The Health Policy Center (like TPC, a project of the Urban Institute, a D.C. think tank) estimated that Sanders' health proposal would cost the government an additional $32 trillion over 10 years to what it pays now. "

Study: Sanders' Proposals Would Add $18 Trillion To Debt Over 10 Years

It's talking about Bernie Sanders' single payer health care plan.

 

[Preacher]

Trump praises Australia's universal health care after Obamacare repeal - CNNPolitics.com

It's going to be fantastic health care," Trump said, referring to his new health care plan. "I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do."

US Senator Bernie Sanders quickly picked up on the remark which came after Trump's new bill passed by a handful of votes. The new law still has to pass the US Senate.


"Well Mr President, you're right, in Australia and every other major country on Earth they guarantee health care to all people. They don't throw 24 million people off health insurance. So maybe when we get to the Senate we should start off with looking at the Australian health care system," Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.




.

Oh far left drones are upset as the failed Obamacare gets removed and the people get real choices..

How horrible for you far left drones to let people have real choices..

Real choices eh? So them cutting medicaid gives people on medicaid real choices eh? Seems like that would limit the amount of doctors who take it and the amount of care those people can get on top of making it MORE expensive for the elderly....sure my parents and grandparent will LOVE that.

 

[Preacher]

As far as the OP goes....the President makes NO fucking sense. He IS on record support universal health care and I had HOPED he would at least angle towards a populist stance on health care NOT an extremist moron stance.

 

[keepitreal]

Trump praises Australia's universal health care after Obamacare repeal - CNNPolitics.com

It's going to be fantastic health care," Trump said, referring to his new health care plan. "I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do."

US Senator Bernie Sanders quickly picked up on the remark which came after Trump's new bill passed by a handful of votes. The new law still has to pass the US Senate.


"Well Mr President, you're right, in Australia and every other major country on Earth they guarantee health care to all people. They don't throw 24 million people off health insurance. So maybe when we get to the Senate we should start off with looking at the Australian health care system," Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.




.

Nothing is free!
Australia has strick immigration policies they enforce!
The country isn't financially burdened with millions
of extra people they have to feed, school, house
and provide health care for!

 

[bendog]

What's untrue?

The part about taxes not being raised in this country if we went to UHC. Pure poppycock. So tell me, why did UHC fail in Vermont? Why does the VA system totally suck? Do you really think innovations in drugs and treatment would be unaffected? Why do you think those countries with UHC have to employ a VAT tax at somewhere between 20-25%? Why do you think they pay a high income tax and not just the top 50% either? It's like you guys are ignoring reality, which is that UHC is expensive. NOTHING is cheaper when the gov't runs it, nor is it stream-lined and more efficient. The VA proves that.

Nothing you posted has anything to do with how much America spends on HC as it stands today and before Obama.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

Healthcare spending as it stands today has nothing to do with how much healthcare spending would be in a UNC system. And I noticed you totally ignored everything I said, got no answers for those questions apparently.

What is your basis for arguing a single payer system costs more than what we have now? Do you have citations?

" The Health Policy Center (like TPC, a project of the Urban Institute, a D.C. think tank) estimated that Sanders' health proposal would cost the government an additional $32 trillion over 10 years to what it pays now. "

Study: Sanders' Proposals Would Add $18 Trillion To Debt Over 10 Years

It's talking about Bernie Sanders' single payer health care plan.

No actually it isn't, but that's ok. LOL

To be honest, imo the problem with single payer is that it's cost control ultimately comes down to politicians' will to say "no you can't have that." That was the basic flaw in Hillarycare. We could require HMOs to expend no more in overhead than medicare, and require that they pay out some % of revenues for treatment. But ultimately the congress would have to limit how much gnp went to HC. But if we ever go to single payer, we could have a law that provides a specific and single avenue for revenue. We currently spend around a trillion a year on HC.

Tax Breaks for Employer-Sponsored Health Insurance

Eliminating the cap on taxes for higher earners would make medicare more or less soluble. You get 260 billion from employer sponsored. And the leftover is Medicaid.

 

[Ame®icano]

Lefties are reporting their random thoughts like it was news.

 

[Preacher]

Trump praises Australia's universal health care after Obamacare repeal - CNNPolitics.com

It's going to be fantastic health care," Trump said, referring to his new health care plan. "I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do."

US Senator Bernie Sanders quickly picked up on the remark which came after Trump's new bill passed by a handful of votes. The new law still has to pass the US Senate.


"Well Mr President, you're right, in Australia and every other major country on Earth they guarantee health care to all people. They don't throw 24 million people off health insurance. So maybe when we get to the Senate we should start off with looking at the Australian health care system," Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Australia has a universal health care system, known as Medicare, which gives citizens free access to doctors and public hospitals paid for by the government.




.

Nothing is free!
Australia has strick immigration policies they enforce!
The country isn't financially burdened with millions
of extra people they have to feed, school, house
and provide health care for!

There are hundreds of thousands of Asian and Muslim and Aboriginals in Australia.