Trump pulls out of Syria then lies about defeating Isis

[NotfooledbyW]

eagle1462010, post: 2144045

It's about after they are gone issues............Kurds........FSA........and the powers in the region not knowing what to do with them..............ISIS isn't the argument..........Never was.......everyone wants them dead and for all purposes.........They are dead................

Not according to reports you posted.

 

[JLW]

Obama presents plan to pull 10 times as many troops out, Johnlaw is not butthurt.

What a friggin stupid comment. That is the best you can do is "butthurt:. What an idiot.

Go ahead link us to the threads you created when Obama presented plans to pull way more troops out than Trump. You know those non-existent threads. Just assume I spent the next few minutes mocking you.

More friggin idiocy, bringing up Obama. Who gives a shit about Obama. Trump goes rogue and singlehandedly upends US policy and makes us look the fool around the world as well as making our enemies stronger and you bring up Obama. Geesus, you can't make this stupidity up.

Once again liberals lecture us on why we should do what the world demands.
Treasonous.

Only a true dumb fuck would say that or a Putin loving Trumpist. Is there even a difference?

 

[eagle1462010]

eagle1462010, post: 2144045

It's about after they are gone issues............Kurds........FSA........and the powers in the region not knowing what to do with them..............ISIS isn't the argument..........Never was.......everyone wants them dead and for all purposes.........They are dead................

Not according to reports you posted.

I Posted Centcom data.........said only 2000 left..........DOD said they were isolated to tunnels and caves in remote areas.........

Unless you are planning to drop MOAB's to suck the oxygen out then the ground forces will have to either go into those caves.......which is a death trap............or surround them........isolate them and let them starve............

which is the better option.........and it doesn't have to be done with U.S. TROOPS.........

The argument there isn't ISIS............it's the FSA and the Kurds.........and Turkey.........ISIS is done.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

AP REPORT October 2011: But continued violence across Iraq, coupled with growing influence by the Shiite power Iran over the government in Baghdad, prompted the Obama administration earlier this year to push to keep thousands of U.S. troops here for years to come.


Oldstyle, post: 21439469

Obama didn't want US troops to stay because he was going to run for reelection as the President who brought combat troops back from Iraq and "ended" the war there!

If Obama did not want to keep 2000 to 5000 US troops in Iraq after 2011, how can it be true as reported by the AP

“Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal
By LARA JAKES, REBECCA SANTANA
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD — 10/22/2011 1:58:39 PM ET

Nearly 40,000 U.S. troops remain in Iraq, all of whom will withdraw by Dec. 31 — a deadline set in a 2008 security agreement between Baghdad and Washington.

But continued violence across Iraq, coupled with growing influence by the Shiite power Iran over the government in Baghdad, prompted the Obama administration earlier this year to push to keep thousands of U.S. troops here for years to come.

Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal


Oldstyle, post: 21439469

This wasn't something that fell apart during negotiations...it was something that was always going to be and the Iraqi leadership KNEW that Obama was going to pull troops no matter what! US military leaders were worried about the Iraqi army being able to handle security in the country and conveyed that concern to Barack Obama but he turned a deaf ear to what they were saying because it didn't allow him to campaign as he wanted to. ...........

......,The reason it didn't was that Barry had no reason to make it happen...other than the advice of his Chiefs of Staff which he ignored!

 

[Oldstyle]

“Iraq's prime minister said Saturday that U.S. troops are leaving Iraq after nearly nine years of war because Baghdad rejected American demands that any U.S. military forces to stay would have to be shielded from prosecution or lawsuits. “



Oldstyle, post: 21439469

The Iraqi leadership wanted US troops to stay to provide stability.

That is not true. You have nothing to base that on.

Muqtada al Sadr is a leader. A very powerful leader as I have shown. He held the reins to Maliki being Prime Minuster.

It’s like Trumpo and Rush Limbaugh - Rush tells the Orange Buffoon what he can and can’t do.

I have posted reports that strongly back what I’m telling you.

You post your worthless speculation likely based on versions of history printed in the right wing hater propaganda machine

I’ll give it to you straight from Iraq’s Prime Minster in October 2011.

“Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal
By LARA JAKES, REBECCA SANTANA
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD — Iraq's prime minister said Saturday that U.S. troops are leaving Iraq after nearly nine years of war because Baghdad rejected American demands that any U.S. military forces to stay would have to be shielded from prosecution or lawsuits.

The comments by Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, made clear that it was Iraq who refused to let the U.S. military remain under the Americans' terms.”

Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal


So stop lying. It’s as pathetic as it is deplorable.

Rush Limbaugh tells Trump what he can and can't do? Really? God, you're a buffoon!

Maliki was posturing to appease Iraqi hard liners like Sadr. Why wouldn't he? It was obvious all along that Obama wanted combat troops out of Iraq before the election. Why would Maliki proclaim that he was asking for the US to stay with combat troops when he knew all too well that request wouldn't be honored by Barack Obama?

 

[Oldstyle]

AP REPORT October 2011: But continued violence across Iraq, coupled with growing influence by the Shiite power Iran over the government in Baghdad, prompted the Obama administration earlier this year to push to keep thousands of U.S. troops here for years to come.


Oldstyle, post: 21439469

Obama didn't want US troops to stay because he was going to run for reelection as the President who brought combat troops back from Iraq and "ended" the war there!

If Obama did not want to keep 2000 to 5000 US troops in Iraq after 2011, how can it be true as reported by the AP

“Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal
By LARA JAKES, REBECCA SANTANA
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD — 10/22/2011 1:58:39 PM ET

Nearly 40,000 U.S. troops remain in Iraq, all of whom will withdraw by Dec. 31 — a deadline set in a 2008 security agreement between Baghdad and Washington.

But continued violence across Iraq, coupled with growing influence by the Shiite power Iran over the government in Baghdad, prompted the Obama administration earlier this year to push to keep thousands of U.S. troops here for years to come.

Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal


Oldstyle, post: 21439469

This wasn't something that fell apart during negotiations...it was something that was always going to be and the Iraqi leadership KNEW that Obama was going to pull troops no matter what! US military leaders were worried about the Iraqi army being able to handle security in the country and conveyed that concern to Barack Obama but he turned a deaf ear to what they were saying because it didn't allow him to campaign as he wanted to. ...........

......,The reason it didn't was that Barry had no reason to make it happen...other than the advice of his Chiefs of Staff which he ignored!

Look at what your own cited article states...

Maliki made HIS remarks that it was Iraq that killed the deal ONE DAY AFTER Barack Obama triumphantly made a speech announcing he was taking combat troops out of Iraq! Your claim that it was Maliki that wanted all combat troops out is laughable. It's like someone getting dumped by a lover and claiming a day later that it was THEY who broke up with the other person! Don't be so naïve...

 

[Oldstyle]

Oldstyle, post: 21439469

The Iraqi leadership wanted US troops to stay to provide stability.

That is a lie. Here is the truth:

“Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal
By LARA JAKES, REBECCA SANTANA
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD — Iraq's prime minister said Saturday that U.S. troops are leaving Iraq after nearly nine years of war because Baghdad rejected American demands.

Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal

It is a lie, Oldstyle, because if the PM of Iraq wanted US troops to stay they they would have simply agreed to renew the exact same terms of the 2008 SOFA. They granted immunity in 2008 for three years. Obama had no new demands.

So you started driving to your conclusion based upon the above defined lie.

Your conclusion “There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Obama had made aid to Iraq contingent on their allowing us to keep 30,000 combat troops in Iraq with a new SOFA...that deal WOULD have gotten done!” Is based on several false premises.

I will explain your remaining lies in future posts

Obama didn't want US troops to stay because he was going to run for reelection as the President who brought combat troops back from Iraq and "ended" the war there! This wasn't something that fell apart during negotiations...it was something that was always going to be and the Iraqi leadership KNEW that Obama was going to pull troops no matter what! US military leaders were worried about the Iraqi army being able to handle security in the country and conveyed that concern to Barack Obama but he turned a deaf ear to what they were saying because it didn't allow him to campaign as he wanted to. ...........



......,The reason it didn't was that Barry had no reason to make it happen...other than the advice of his Chiefs of Staff which he ignored!

Now who would stupid enough to offer an extension to an agreement that was politically unpopular when they KNEW that the other side didn't really want the extension! Maliki obviously wasn't! The Prime Minister knew Barry was going to pull combat troops out and that he was going to use the expiring Bush SOFA as the excuse to do so. Saying that it was Iraq that killed the deal was nothing more than an attempt to save face.

 

[Oldstyle]

Leon Panetta: How the White House Misplayed Iraqi Troop Talks

That Op Ed by Leon Panetta sums up what happened rather succinctly...

So...did you want to call Panetta a "liar" as well?

 

[DOTR]

Obama presents plan to pull 10 times as many troops out, Johnlaw is not butthurt.

What a friggin stupid comment. That is the best you can do is "butthurt:. What an idiot.

Go ahead link us to the threads you created when Obama presented plans to pull way more troops out than Trump. You know those non-existent threads. Just assume I spent the next few minutes mocking you.

More friggin idiocy, bringing up Obama. Who gives a shit about Obama. Trump goes rogue and singlehandedly upends US policy and makes us look the fool around the world as well as making our enemies stronger and you bring up Obama. Geesus, you can't make this stupidity up.

Once again liberals lecture us on why we should do what the world demands.
Treasonous.

Only a true dumb fuck would say that or a Putin loving Trumpist. Is there even a difference?

Too bad the Russians can only help Democrats with fake dossiers. Just wasn’t enough.

But keep whining about “the world”. Trump wasn’t elected by “the world”. He was elected to represent Americans.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Sec of Defense testifying on Capitol Hill November when asked by Senators about the risks of pulling US troops out of Iraq:

Panetta said, quote, are there risks, yes. Are there any other alternatives, no.”


Oldstyle, post: 21440731

Now who would stupid enough to offer an extension to an agreement that was politically unpopular when they KNEW that the other side didn't really want the extension!

You say the agreement was “politically unpopular” which is true.

Leon Panetta: How the White House Misplayed Iraqi Troop Talks

That Op Ed by Leon Panetta sums up what happened rather succinctly...

So...did you want to call Panetta a "liar" as well?

No, that’s Panetta selling a book in 2014. I havent read the book so I don’t know if he mentioned the many things he said on the record in 2011 as events were unfolding as the 2008 Bush Maliki SOFA expired at the end of 2011.

“When asked whether it's a good idea to leave Iraq in the hands of 16,000 U.S. civilians protected by private security contractors, Panetta said, quote, are there risks, yes. Are there any other alternatives, no.”

Panetta Addresses Iraq Troop Withdrawal On The Hill


You have Panetta building his image up to sell books in an Op/ED . I have Panetta in real time as events unfolded testifying on Capitol Hill that there was NO alternative to pulling all US troops out of Iraq. it was the Iraqis decision.

 

[charwin95]

Trump pulls out of Syria that surprises his military generals, then lies about defeating Isis and throws US policy in turmoil. Trump has single handedly strengthened Russia and Isis in one stroke.

He truly is a Donald Dumbass.



Trump shocks allies and advisers with plan to pull US troops out of Syria

Western nations have no right to remain in a sovereign nation. It's that simple.

Agreed.

But do you prefer other countries like Russia or Iran rule an area where US vital interest is at stake?

What vital interest is that...............LOL

We have no need of the cursed deserts of the Middle East..............those deserts are soaked in blood throughout history.

Explain that to the generals , GOPs, Democrats....... that are screaming how dumb is your POTUS.

You can google yourself the US vital interest in that region.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Oldstyle, post: 21439469,

This wasn't something that fell apart during negotiations...it was something that was always going to be and the Iraqi leadership KNEW that Obama was going to pull troops no matter what!

Are you saying there were no negotions?

Are you saying Panetta was lying when he said this: “I can say very clearly that any kind of U.S. presence demands that we protect and provide the appropriate immunity for our soldiers,”

“After months of preparations on both sides for a complete pullout by Dec. 31 of more than 40,000 remaining U.S. troops, the Iraqi government said in recent days that several thousand could stay on as military trainers. The condition, however, is that they lose the legal immunity they now enjoy. It is, an Iraqi government spokesman said this week, the primary dispute preventing an agreement.

On Thursday at a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta shot back, saying U.S. troops would not remain in Iraq if they were to be subject to the Iraqi criminal justice system.

“I can say very clearly that any kind of U.S. presence demands that we protect and provide the appropriate immunity for our soldiers,” he said.“

Experts: Immunity dispute won’t end U.S.-Iraq cooperation


Your lie makes no sense. If Iraq could give our troops immunity you are claiming that Obama was negotiating in bad faith and would have refused to keep troops there with immunity.

Think about it. You are lying. Obama wouid have kept troops there if they had immunity.

 

[charwin95]

Trump pulls out of Syria that surprises his military generals, then lies about defeating Isis and throws US policy in turmoil. Trump has single handedly strengthened Russia and Isis in one stroke.

He truly is a Donald Dumbass.



Trump shocks allies and advisers with plan to pull US troops out of Syria

Western nations have no right to remain in a sovereign nation. It's that simple.

Agreed.

But do you prefer other countries like Russia or Iran rule an area where US vital interest is at stake?

Assad and his government rule his own nation. It is a secular government and the law is based on French law and sharia is optional. Russia has been an ally to Syria since 1940 s and there really has been no issue with any western countries until for some bizzaro reason our freaking insane leaders decided it was a good idea to back this crazy fake Arab Spring and help the Saudis, Qatar and Turkey turn certain ME countries over to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Assad has never been a brutal dictator. All lies.

Syrian women.

But our leaders wanted to turn these free women into this?????????????????????????? And I'm not just blaming Obama. Harper, Cameron and a slew of others actually signed a document to say that they would back this shadow Syrian government in Qatar.

I've personally had it with the insanity of regime change.

Shocking to hear that from you. Both dictators Assad senior and junior massacre their own people for decades. It’s not a lie.
I’m sure you know what it mean for a dictator to rule a country.

Assad also support terrorism against Israel.

 

[charwin95]

Oldstyle, post: 21431533

Iraq Wants $88 Billion for Rebuilding. Allies Offer a Fraction of That.

"The State Department emphasized that the United States since 2014 had already given Iraq $1.7 billion in humanitarian aid and $6 billion in economic and security assistance, money mostly committed during the Obama administration."

Why did you lie that Iraqis wanted troops to stay and that Obama could have used billions in promised aid as leverage to get Iraqis to accept immunity.

Sadr was not giving up on no immunity for anything.

You are so dishonest it is pitiful.

The Iraqi leadership wanted US troops to stay to provide stability. Obama didn't want US troops to stay because he was going to run for reelection as the President who brought combat troops back from Iraq and "ended" the war there! This wasn't something that fell apart during negotiations...it was something that was always going to be and the Iraqi leadership KNEW that Obama was going to pull troops no matter what! US military leaders were worried about the Iraqi army being able to handle security in the country and conveyed that concern to Barack Obama but he turned a deaf ear to what they were saying because it didn't allow him to campaign as he wanted to. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Obama had made aid to Iraq contingent on their allowing us to keep 30,000 combat troops in Iraq with a new SOFA...that deal WOULD have gotten done! The reason it didn't was that Barry had no reason to make it happen...other than the advice of his Chiefs of Staff which he ignored!

Missing lots of facts there oldstyle. It did not work that way.

Your informations most likely came from Hannity and his followers.


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[NotfooledbyW]

It was Leon Panetta and General Dempsey that recommended a full withdrawal to President Obama in 2011.

Oldstyle, post: 21431533

Iraq Wants $88 Billion for Rebuilding. Allies Offer a Fraction of That.

"The State Department emphasized that the United States since 2014 had already given Iraq $1.7 billion in humanitarian aid and $6 billion in economic and security assistance, money mostly committed during the Obama administration."

Why did you lie that Iraqis wanted troops to stay and that Obama could have used billions in promised aid as leverage to get Iraqis to accept immunity.

Sadr was not giving up on no immunity for anything.

You are so dishonest it is pitiful.

The Iraqi leadership wanted US troops to stay to provide stability. Obama didn't want US troops to stay because he was going to run for reelection as the President who brought combat troops back from Iraq and "ended" the war there! This wasn't something that fell apart during negotiations...it was something that was always going to be and the Iraqi leadership KNEW that Obama was going to pull troops no matter what! US military leaders were worried about the Iraqi army being able to handle security in the country and conveyed that concern to Barack Obama but he turned a deaf ear to what they were saying because it didn't allow him to campaign as he wanted to. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Obama had made aid to Iraq contingent on their allowing us to keep 30,000 combat troops in Iraq with a new SOFA...that deal WOULD have gotten done! The reason it didn't was that Barry had no reason to make it happen...other than the advice of his Chiefs of Staff which he ignored!

Missing lots of facts there oldstyle. It did not work that way.

Your informations most likely came from Hannity and his followers.


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Oldstyle has tried to bring Leon Panetta to support this lie:

“This wasn't something that fell apart during negotiations...it was something that was always going to be and the Iraqi leadership KNEW that Obama was going to pull troops no matter what! “ Oldstyle.

it is impossible that Iraqi leadership “KNEW that Obama was going to pull troops no matter what!“ because the Iraqis offered to let US troops remain in Iraq without immunity.

Oldstyle is lying on that point because “no matter what” has to mean if the Iraqis granted immunity.

There is not one shred of evidence that even remotely suggests that Obama was negotiating in bad faith and never intended to keep troops in Iraq in 2012 even if Iraq granted them immunity.

Oldstyle’s entire lie is thus exposed as the lie it is.

Panetta and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, said officials made every effort to strike an agreement with the Iraqi government. But, they said, when the Iraqis refused to grant immunity to U.S. military personnel after Dec. 31, they had no choice but to recommend a full withdrawal to President Obama.

On Iraq pullout, Panetta faces skeptical lawmakers

 

[beautress]

tinydancer, post: 21439223

You have no right to occupy Syria.

Never said we did liar. If 2000 US Troops could occupy Syria and bring about stability I might rethink my opposition to that however.

As I said we are there to kill every last ISIS maggot.

Notfooled, I've known tiny dancer a long time and she never lies to anyone. She's well-grounded in current events, and doing the right thing means a lot to her.

 

[jillian]

tinydancer, post: 21439223

You have no right to occupy Syria.

Never said we did liar. If 2000 US Troops could occupy Syria and bring about stability I might rethink my opposition to that however.

As I said we are there to kill every last ISIS maggot.

Notfooled, I've known tiny dancer a long time and she never lies to anyone. She's well-grounded in current events, and doing the right thing means a lot to her.

She’s a compulsive liar.

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump pulls out of Syria that surprises his military generals, then lies about defeating Isis and throws US policy in turmoil. Trump has single handedly strengthened Russia and Isis in one stroke.

He truly is a Donald Dumbass.



Trump shocks allies and advisers with plan to pull US troops out of Syria

Western nations have no right to remain in a sovereign nation. It's that simple.

Agreed.

But do you prefer other countries like Russia or Iran rule an area where US vital interest is at stake?

What vital interest is that...............LOL

We have no need of the cursed deserts of the Middle East..............those deserts are soaked in blood throughout history.

Explain that to the generals , GOPs, Democrats....... that are screaming how dumb is your POTUS.

You can google yourself the US vital interest in that region.

I've quoted Centcom reports........and DOD........they say about 2000 ISIS left in 1% of the country in Syria.........most hiding in tunnels via the DOD report............Hardly an army.....

The disagreement of opinion would most likely be the Kurds, FSA, and Turkey after the rest are mopped up.

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump pulls out of Syria that surprises his military generals, then lies about defeating Isis and throws US policy in turmoil. Trump has single handedly strengthened Russia and Isis in one stroke.

He truly is a Donald Dumbass.



Trump shocks allies and advisers with plan to pull US troops out of Syria

Western nations have no right to remain in a sovereign nation. It's that simple.

Agreed.

But do you prefer other countries like Russia or Iran rule an area where US vital interest is at stake?

Assad and his government rule his own nation. It is a secular government and the law is based on French law and sharia is optional. Russia has been an ally to Syria since 1940 s and there really has been no issue with any western countries until for some bizzaro reason our freaking insane leaders decided it was a good idea to back this crazy fake Arab Spring and help the Saudis, Qatar and Turkey turn certain ME countries over to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Assad has never been a brutal dictator. All lies.

Syrian women.

But our leaders wanted to turn these free women into this?????????????????????????? And I'm not just blaming Obama. Harper, Cameron and a slew of others actually signed a document to say that they would back this shadow Syrian government in Qatar.

I've personally had it with the insanity of regime change.

Shocking to hear that from you. Both dictators Assad senior and junior massacre their own people for decades. It’s not a lie.
I’m sure you know what it mean for a dictator to rule a country.

Assad also support terrorism against Israel.

Take him out you get El Nusra and gang...........Syria couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag against Israel.........be lucky to keep the country in tact after we are gone............

Taking out the leader and leaving a vacuum hasn't worked out well for us lately..........

 

[NotfooledbyW]

beautress, post: 21443660

Notfooled, I've known tiny dancer a long time and she never lies to anyone. She's well-grounded in current events, and doing the right thing means a lot to her.

This is one of her ‘broken record’type of lie.

“And you can thank Obama/Harper/Cameron and others for allowing the rise of ISIS and now we have a real problem on our hands because they have spread far and wide”

I’m sorry if you believe Obama/Harper/Cameron and others allowed the rise of ISIS.

It’s a lie because ISIS did not incubate and gather strength in the US, Canada, or the UK So the truth is not one of those leaders allowed the rise of ISIS.