Trump says Hillary started the Birther Movement. Not True!

[Skylar]

You are such a typical Birther.

You just project the usual Birther talking point- and absolutely refuse to look at the evidence. I gave you the link to the State of Hawaii's website set up to answer the questions- 4 years ago.

4 years and you still refuse to read what the State of Hawaii has to say.

Now I consider that very suspect behavior.

And I said that if what you showed to be the copy of the "state's original" is indeed the state's, then sure he is born in Hawaii, if, and that's a big if, it matches Obama's original. Then the case will be closed as far as I'm concerned. What I find very perplexing is why Obama doesn't simply state that it's lost, which is the convenient thing to do. Perhaps because it's in the possession of someone else, and Obama knows what's on it? Who knows. We do know that he hasn't said anything about his own original.

State what is lost?

Per the State of Hawaii Barack Obama's original birth certificate is in the Department of Health's vaults.

Let me know when you EVER bother to read what the State of Hawaii has actually put together to answer your damn questions. They went to the effort of putting together a whole comprehensive web page and clearly from your posts- you have never read it.

Why do you refuse to read what the State of Hawaii says?

Again, for the 100th time: What is the status of Obama's original, and why hasn't he said anything about it, going 7 years now? He can simply say it's lost. But he hasn't. Very perplexing.

For the 17th time: Its 'status' is that it is held by the State of Hawaii.

You're literally arguing your own willful ignorance at this point, Birther. Where the State of Hawaii has already answered your question. You ignore them. And then laughably insist that because you ignore the State of Hawaii......you have no answer.

Sigh...fuckin' birthers.

Actually you're proving your ignorance.

Laughing....because I disagree with you citing yourself? Remember, you're fucking clueless.

Did Obama get a US passport as a child? Yes. His parents had to have a birth certificate, way before this one, in order for the govt. to issue him a passport.

And they can get a copy of his original vital records from Hawaii. The same way Obama did. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And your only source is you.

Where is that first birth certificate? And what is Obama saying about it?

You claim its an original birth certificate. Prove it. As the State of Hawaii affirms that it holds the original vital records.

And the State of Hawaii trumps you ever time on the vital documents of Hawaii. One, because they hold them. Two, because you're clueless, making up your argument as you go along.

 

[Skylar]

Ignoring his COLB does make you a birther. And you've done that. Ignoring the State of Hawaii on Obama's place of birth makes you a birther. And you've done that too.

Worse, you've made up an 'original birth certificate' that Obama holds. Pulled sideways out of your ass. While the State of Hawaii has explicitly confirmed that they hold the original vital documents.

You're a birther. Cubed.

Hah? You're ignorant. Every American born citizen holds an original birth certificate that is issued sometime after his birth. Has Obama lost his? Why doesn't he say so, "I lost mine so I asked the state to issue a certified copy." But he didn't say that.

You are an idiot.

I was born a few years before Barack Obama.
I 'hold' no original birth certificate. I haven't needed even a copy of my BC since I got my passport decades ago. I know where my original BC is- its in the county I was born.

Read the State of Hawaii's website- or are you really so determined to remain ignorant?

The state issues an original and it is used for proof of US citizenship or obtaining a first time passport.

The state issues a certified copy which is used to obtain passports. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

If you're born outside of the US, the US govt is going to want to see a translated, certified, apostille of your birth overseas birth certificate. If you can't verify that you are who you claim to be you are including by the embassy of the country you are from, then you aren't going to even get a green card, let alone become a citizen.

And since Obama was born in Hawaii....all your embassy babble is gloriously irrelevant.

Like I said, certified copy, although the same as far as proof of US citizenship and legality of it, is not exactly the same as the one you are first issued as a child, which is your original. Especially when it comes to this issue.

'Like I said' being the operative phrase. You 'saying' something is meaningless, as you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate. You can't. You're done.

While I have the Director of the State of Hawaii that confirm that Hawaii holds Obama's original vital documents. Obliterating your claims yet again.

Try again birther.

 

[Roudy]

Until you says where his original is, you can sit in whatever you prefer.

For perhaps the 10th time......the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents.

And when you ask again, the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. And yes, its the STATE of Hawaii that holds the original vital documents. And just so you're not confused as to location, its the State of HAWAII that holds the original vital documents.

Did you get that the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents? Or do I need to repeat that the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents?

Obama's parents at some point in time held an original which matched the state's records. They may or may not have given it to Obama. You don't know how these things work, do you?

Says you, citing yourself. And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Says who? Says the State of Hawaii.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen,"

Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists | The Honolulu Advertiser | Hawaii's Newspaper

But you know better than the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii?

Laughing....no, you don't.

Obama's original birth certificate with the state seal and original signature of the issuing clerk holds as much legal weight as what the state has of him.

The state holds the original vital documents. So says the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii who has inspected them personally.

You don't know a fucking thing about birth certificates. You're making up your bullshit as you go along. And you've inspected none of obma's original vital documents. Rendering your assessment the useless opinion of someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

While Chiyome Fukino most definitely does know what she's talking about.

Try again, Birther. This time offering more than you citing yourself on matters you're clueless about.

i don't care what a govt. employee in an overwhelmingly democrat run state named Fuckimo says. I want to see Obama's original, and then match it to what the state says is the copy of the original. And then I want an explanation that back then, all black people were referred to on birth certificates as "African", which is more of a geographical designation.

 

[Roudy]

And I said that if what you showed to be the copy of the "state's original" is indeed the state's, then sure he is born in Hawaii, if, and that's a big if, it matches Obama's original. Then the case will be closed as far as I'm concerned. What I find very perplexing is why Obama doesn't simply state that it's lost, which is the convenient thing to do. Perhaps because it's in the possession of someone else, and Obama knows what's on it? Who knows. We do know that he hasn't said anything about his own original.

State what is lost?

Per the State of Hawaii Barack Obama's original birth certificate is in the Department of Health's vaults.

Let me know when you EVER bother to read what the State of Hawaii has actually put together to answer your damn questions. They went to the effort of putting together a whole comprehensive web page and clearly from your posts- you have never read it.

Why do you refuse to read what the State of Hawaii says?

Again, for the 100th time: What is the status of Obama's original, and why hasn't he said anything about it, going 7 years now? He can simply say it's lost. But he hasn't. Very perplexing.

For the 17th time: Its 'status' is that it is held by the State of Hawaii.

You're literally arguing your own willful ignorance at this point, Birther. Where the State of Hawaii has already answered your question. You ignore them. And then laughably insist that because you ignore the State of Hawaii......you have no answer.

Sigh...fuckin' birthers.

Actually you're proving your ignorance.

Laughing....because I disagree with you citing yourself? Remember, you're fucking clueless.

Did Obama get a US passport as a child? Yes. His parents had to have a birth certificate, way before this one, in order for the govt. to issue him a passport.

And they can get a copy of his original vital records from Hawaii. The same way Obama did. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And your only source is you.

Where is that first birth certificate? And what is Obama saying about it?

You claim its an original birth certificate. Prove it. As the State of Hawaii affirms that it holds the original vital records.

And the State of Hawaii trumps you ever time on the vital documents of Hawaii. One, because they hold them. Two, because you're clueless, making up your argument as you go along.

Can you show me a copy of Obama's original, the one he says he has in his position? That would be very helpful, thanks.

 

[Syriusly]

Ignoring his COLB does make you a birther. And you've done that. Ignoring the State of Hawaii on Obama's place of birth makes you a birther. And you've done that too.

Worse, you've made up an 'original birth certificate' that Obama holds. Pulled sideways out of your ass. While the State of Hawaii has explicitly confirmed that they hold the original vital documents.

You're a birther. Cubed.

Hah? You're ignorant. Every American born citizen holds an original birth certificate that is issued sometime after his birth. Has Obama lost his? Why doesn't he say so, "I lost mine so I asked the state to issue a certified copy." But he didn't say that.

You are an idiot.

I was born a few years before Barack Obama.
I 'hold' no original birth certificate. I haven't needed even a copy of my BC since I got my passport decades ago. I know where my original BC is- its in the county I was born.

Read the State of Hawaii's website- or are you really so determined to remain ignorant?

The state issues an original and it is used for proof of US citizenship or obtaining a first time passport.

The state issues a certified copy which is used to obtain passports. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

If you're born outside of the US, the US govt is going to want to see a translated, certified, apostille of your birth overseas birth certificate. If you can't verify that you are who you claim to be you are including by the embassy of the country you are from, then you aren't going to even get a green card, let alone become a citizen.

And since Obama was born in Hawaii....all your embassy babble is gloriously irrelevant.

Like I said, certified copy, although the same as far as proof of US citizenship and legality of it, is not exactly the same as the one you are first issued as a child, which is your original. Especially when it comes to this issue.

As per the State of Hawaii- the 'original' is what they have on file in Hawaii.

Why do you refuse to read what the State of Hawaii says?

 

[Skylar]

For perhaps the 10th time......the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents.

And when you ask again, the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. And yes, its the STATE of Hawaii that holds the original vital documents. And just so you're not confused as to location, its the State of HAWAII that holds the original vital documents.

Did you get that the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents? Or do I need to repeat that the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents?

Obama's parents at some point in time held an original which matched the state's records. They may or may not have given it to Obama. You don't know how these things work, do you?

Says you, citing yourself. And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Says who? Says the State of Hawaii.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen,"

Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists | The Honolulu Advertiser | Hawaii's Newspaper

But you know better than the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii?

Laughing....no, you don't.

Obama's original birth certificate with the state seal and original signature of the issuing clerk holds as much legal weight as what the state has of him.

The state holds the original vital documents. So says the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii who has inspected them personally.

You don't know a fucking thing about birth certificates. You're making up your bullshit as you go along. And you've inspected none of obma's original vital documents. Rendering your assessment the useless opinion of someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

While Chiyome Fukino most definitely does know what she's talking about.

Try again, Birther. This time offering more than you citing yourself on matters you're clueless about.

i don't care what a govt. employee in an overwhelmingly democrat run state named Fuckimo says.

Fukino was a republican. Her boss, Linda Lingle was a republican. Both of whom contradict your batshit narrative. You're showing your ignorance, birther.

And of course ignoring both the COLB and the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii.....'because'. That's what makes you a birther, birther. Ignoring overwhelming evidence to cling to your silly narrative.

I want to see Obama's original, and then match it to what the state says is the copy of the original.

An image of Obama's original bither certificate is up on the white house website. The Registrar of Hawaii confirms that the information on it matches their original vital records.

So you'll ignore it too, birther. What you've never managed to do is explain why I should I give a shit about you desperate, willful ignorance.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to prove that Obama has his 'original birth certificate'. So far, you've failed utterly. But then, that's what Birther's do too.

 

[Syriusly]

For perhaps the 10th time......the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents.

And when you ask again, the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. And yes, its the STATE of Hawaii that holds the original vital documents. And just so you're not confused as to location, its the State of HAWAII that holds the original vital documents.

Did you get that the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents? Or do I need to repeat that the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents?

Obama's parents at some point in time held an original which matched the state's records. They may or may not have given it to Obama. You don't know how these things work, do you?

Says you, citing yourself. And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Says who? Says the State of Hawaii.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen,"

Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists | The Honolulu Advertiser | Hawaii's Newspaper

But you know better than the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii?

Laughing....no, you don't.

Obama's original birth certificate with the state seal and original signature of the issuing clerk holds as much legal weight as what the state has of him.

The state holds the original vital documents. So says the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii who has inspected them personally.

You don't know a fucking thing about birth certificates. You're making up your bullshit as you go along. And you've inspected none of obma's original vital documents. Rendering your assessment the useless opinion of someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

While Chiyome Fukino most definitely does know what she's talking about.

Try again, Birther. This time offering more than you citing yourself on matters you're clueless about.

i don't care what a govt. employee in an overwhelmingly democrat run state named Fuckimo says. I want to see Obama's original, and then match it to what the state says is the copy of the original. And then I want an explanation that back then, all black people were referred to on birth certificates as "African", which is more of a geographical designation.

Of course you 'don't care' about actual evidence.

You, like all birthers, rely completely upon speculation, innuendo and lies.

 

[Syriusly]

State what is lost?

Per the State of Hawaii Barack Obama's original birth certificate is in the Department of Health's vaults.

Let me know when you EVER bother to read what the State of Hawaii has actually put together to answer your damn questions. They went to the effort of putting together a whole comprehensive web page and clearly from your posts- you have never read it.

Why do you refuse to read what the State of Hawaii says?

Again, for the 100th time: What is the status of Obama's original, and why hasn't he said anything about it, going 7 years now? He can simply say it's lost. But he hasn't. Very perplexing.

For the 17th time: Its 'status' is that it is held by the State of Hawaii.

You're literally arguing your own willful ignorance at this point, Birther. Where the State of Hawaii has already answered your question. You ignore them. And then laughably insist that because you ignore the State of Hawaii......you have no answer.

Sigh...fuckin' birthers.

Actually you're proving your ignorance.

Laughing....because I disagree with you citing yourself? Remember, you're fucking clueless.

Did Obama get a US passport as a child? Yes. His parents had to have a birth certificate, way before this one, in order for the govt. to issue him a passport.

And they can get a copy of his original vital records from Hawaii. The same way Obama did. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And your only source is you.

Where is that first birth certificate? And what is Obama saying about it?

You claim its an original birth certificate. Prove it. As the State of Hawaii affirms that it holds the original vital records.

And the State of Hawaii trumps you ever time on the vital documents of Hawaii. One, because they hold them. Two, because you're clueless, making up your argument as you go along.

Can you show me a copy of Obama's original, the one he says he has in his position? That would be very helpful, thanks.

Go to the State of Hawaii's website.

Or refer back to any of my many posts where I showed you the certified copy of his original.

 

[Roudy]

i'm getting a kick out of watching the 0bots swarm roudy. they are still using alinsky prescribed ridicule.

meanwhile back at the ranch obama's body guy says democrats weren't the only ones throwing birther around.

everyone is writing a book it seems.

Laughing......so we should just sit and accept his steaming pile of horseshit that Obama has his original birth certificate?

Um, no.

Until you says where his original is, you can sit in whatever you prefer.

Well I am sitting pretty well- President Obama was elected twice, by voters who rejected all of the idiotic Birther claims.

Mocking Birthers is fun though.

And Bush was elected twice as well. I guess by your standards he must have been a great president by voters who rejected all the idiotic made up bullshit about him.

A 'great president'? That's subjective. Meeting the constitutional requirements to run?

You betcha, birther.

I don't think Bush was a "great president" at all. I think his heart was in the right place but not his head. Like Trump said to Jeb, "the reason we have this disaster Obama is because of what your brother did".

Just pointing out to you that getting voted twice doesn't necessarily make one a great president. History will judge that, when there is no bias or special interest. Bill Clinton was indeed a great president, and so was Ronald Reagan. Carter has been judged a failure, GW the jury is still out, and Obama will also be judged a failure.

 

[Skylar]

State what is lost?

Per the State of Hawaii Barack Obama's original birth certificate is in the Department of Health's vaults.

Let me know when you EVER bother to read what the State of Hawaii has actually put together to answer your damn questions. They went to the effort of putting together a whole comprehensive web page and clearly from your posts- you have never read it.

Why do you refuse to read what the State of Hawaii says?

Again, for the 100th time: What is the status of Obama's original, and why hasn't he said anything about it, going 7 years now? He can simply say it's lost. But he hasn't. Very perplexing.

For the 17th time: Its 'status' is that it is held by the State of Hawaii.

You're literally arguing your own willful ignorance at this point, Birther. Where the State of Hawaii has already answered your question. You ignore them. And then laughably insist that because you ignore the State of Hawaii......you have no answer.

Sigh...fuckin' birthers.

Actually you're proving your ignorance.

Laughing....because I disagree with you citing yourself? Remember, you're fucking clueless.

Did Obama get a US passport as a child? Yes. His parents had to have a birth certificate, way before this one, in order for the govt. to issue him a passport.

And they can get a copy of his original vital records from Hawaii. The same way Obama did. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And your only source is you.

Where is that first birth certificate? And what is Obama saying about it?

You claim its an original birth certificate. Prove it. As the State of Hawaii affirms that it holds the original vital records.

And the State of Hawaii trumps you ever time on the vital documents of Hawaii. One, because they hold them. Two, because you're clueless, making up your argument as you go along.

Can you show me a copy of Obama's original, the one he says he has in his position? That would be very helpful, thanks.

He's posted a picture of it online on the Whitehouse website. And the information on it has already been confirmed as accurate by the Registrar of Hawaii.

That you ignore anyone who doesn't ape your batshit narrative really isn't our problem. As you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. While the Registrar of Hawaii and the Director of Health for the State of Hawaii do.

Why would I ignore them.....and instead believe you?

 

[Skylar]

Laughing......so we should just sit and accept his steaming pile of horseshit that Obama has his original birth certificate?

Um, no.

Until you says where his original is, you can sit in whatever you prefer.

Well I am sitting pretty well- President Obama was elected twice, by voters who rejected all of the idiotic Birther claims.

Mocking Birthers is fun though.

And Bush was elected twice as well. I guess by your standards he must have been a great president by voters who rejected all the idiotic made up bullshit about him.

A 'great president'? That's subjective. Meeting the constitutional requirements to run?

You betcha, birther.

I don't think Bush was a "great president" at all. I think his heart was in the right place but not his head. Like Trump said to Jeb, "the reason we have this disaster Obama is because of what your brother did".

Um....so? None of that has the slightest relevance to what we're discussing. Your personal opinion is gloriously irrelevant to anyone's eligibility to be president, birther.

Just pointing out to you that getting voted twice doesn't necessarily make one a great president. History will judge that, when there is no bias or special interest. Bill Clinton was indeed a great president, and so was Ronald Reagan. Carter has been judged a failure, GW the jury is still out, and Obama will also be judged a failure.

Strawman. No one has argued that being elected twice makes you a 'great president'. What has been argued is that being elected twice means that a majority of the electorate is convinced of your constitutional eligibility.

 

[Syriusly]

Laughing......so we should just sit and accept his steaming pile of horseshit that Obama has his original birth certificate?

Um, no.

Until you says where his original is, you can sit in whatever you prefer.

Well I am sitting pretty well- President Obama was elected twice, by voters who rejected all of the idiotic Birther claims.

Mocking Birthers is fun though.

And Bush was elected twice as well. I guess by your standards he must have been a great president by voters who rejected all the idiotic made up bullshit about him.

A 'great president'? That's subjective. Meeting the constitutional requirements to run?

You betcha, birther.

I don't think Bush was a "great president" at all. I think his heart was in the right place but not his head. Like Trump said to Jeb, "the reason we have this disaster Obama is because of what your brother did".

Just pointing out to you that getting voted twice doesn't necessarily make one a great president. History will judge that, when there is no bias or special interest. Bill Clinton was indeed a great president, and so was Ronald Reagan. Carter has been judged a failure, GW the jury is still out, and Obama will also be judged a failure.

As Sklyar said- all subjective.

All irrelevant to your Birtherism.

 

[Roudy]

Obama's parents at some point in time held an original which matched the state's records. They may or may not have given it to Obama. You don't know how these things work, do you?

Says you, citing yourself. And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Says who? Says the State of Hawaii.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen,"

Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists | The Honolulu Advertiser | Hawaii's Newspaper

But you know better than the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii?

Laughing....no, you don't.

Obama's original birth certificate with the state seal and original signature of the issuing clerk holds as much legal weight as what the state has of him.

The state holds the original vital documents. So says the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii who has inspected them personally.

You don't know a fucking thing about birth certificates. You're making up your bullshit as you go along. And you've inspected none of obma's original vital documents. Rendering your assessment the useless opinion of someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

While Chiyome Fukino most definitely does know what she's talking about.

Try again, Birther. This time offering more than you citing yourself on matters you're clueless about.

i don't care what a govt. employee in an overwhelmingly democrat run state named Fuckimo says. I want to see Obama's original, and then match it to what the state says is the copy of the original. And then I want an explanation that back then, all black people were referred to on birth certificates as "African", which is more of a geographical designation.

Of course you 'don't care' about actual evidence.

You, like all birthers, rely completely upon speculation, innuendo and lies.

I'm like Peter Falk. I want to correlate what the state has, with what Obama / his parents had. Surely at some point one was issued to him as a child in order to obtain his passport, hence "Obama's original."

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Hah? You're ignorant. Every American born citizen holds an original birth certificate that is issued sometime after his birth. Has Obama lost his? Why doesn't he say so, "I lost mine so I asked the state to issue a certified copy." But he didn't say that.

You are an idiot.

I was born a few years before Barack Obama.
I 'hold' no original birth certificate. I haven't needed even a copy of my BC since I got my passport decades ago. I know where my original BC is- its in the county I was born.

Read the State of Hawaii's website- or are you really so determined to remain ignorant?

The state issues an original and it is used for proof of US citizenship or obtaining a first time passport.

The state issues a certified copy which is used to obtain passports. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

If you're born outside of the US, the US govt is going to want to see a translated, certified, apostille of your birth overseas birth certificate. If you can't verify that you are who you claim to be you are including by the embassy of the country you are from, then you aren't going to even get a green card, let alone become a citizen.

And since Obama was born in Hawaii....all your embassy babble is gloriously irrelevant.

Like I said, certified copy, although the same as far as proof of US citizenship and legality of it, is not exactly the same as the one you are first issued as a child, which is your original. Especially when it comes to this issue.

As per the State of Hawaii- the 'original' is what they have on file in Hawaii.

Why do you refuse to read what the State of Hawaii says?

Hawaii can't be trusted since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, determined after a lengthy investigation that the long form birth certificate released on April 27, 2011 is without a doubt a 100% forgery that never existed in paper form.

 

[Syriusly]

Says you, citing yourself. And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Says who? Says the State of Hawaii.

But you know better than the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii?

Laughing....no, you don't.

Obama's original birth certificate with the state seal and original signature of the issuing clerk holds as much legal weight as what the state has of him.

The state holds the original vital documents. So says the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii who has inspected them personally.

You don't know a fucking thing about birth certificates. You're making up your bullshit as you go along. And you've inspected none of obma's original vital documents. Rendering your assessment the useless opinion of someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

While Chiyome Fukino most definitely does know what she's talking about.

Try again, Birther. This time offering more than you citing yourself on matters you're clueless about.

i don't care what a govt. employee in an overwhelmingly democrat run state named Fuckimo says. I want to see Obama's original, and then match it to what the state says is the copy of the original. And then I want an explanation that back then, all black people were referred to on birth certificates as "African", which is more of a geographical designation.

Of course you 'don't care' about actual evidence.

You, like all birthers, rely completely upon speculation, innuendo and lies.

I'm like Peter Falk. I want to correlate what the state has, with what Obama / his parents surely at some point in time was issued as a child in order to obtain his passport, hence "Obama's original."

Let us know when you have actually read what the State of Hawaii says.

I won't hold my breath.

 

[Syriusly]

You are an idiot.

I was born a few years before Barack Obama.
I 'hold' no original birth certificate. I haven't needed even a copy of my BC since I got my passport decades ago. I know where my original BC is- its in the county I was born.

Read the State of Hawaii's website- or are you really so determined to remain ignorant?

The state issues an original and it is used for proof of US citizenship or obtaining a first time passport.

The state issues a certified copy which is used to obtain passports. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

If you're born outside of the US, the US govt is going to want to see a translated, certified, apostille of your birth overseas birth certificate. If you can't verify that you are who you claim to be you are including by the embassy of the country you are from, then you aren't going to even get a green card, let alone become a citizen.

And since Obama was born in Hawaii....all your embassy babble is gloriously irrelevant.

Like I said, certified copy, although the same as far as proof of US citizenship and legality of it, is not exactly the same as the one you are first issued as a child, which is your original. Especially when it comes to this issue.

As per the State of Hawaii- the 'original' is what they have on file in Hawaii.

Why do you refuse to read what the State of Hawaii says?

Hawaii can't be trusted since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, determined after a lengthy investigation that the long form birth certificate released on April 27, 2011 is without a doubt a 100% forgery that never existed in paper form.

Where is the report that says that? Who was the law enforcement officer that did the 'investigation'?

And did he sign a book deal before his 'investigation'?

 

[Roudy]

Until you says where his original is, you can sit in whatever you prefer.

Well I am sitting pretty well- President Obama was elected twice, by voters who rejected all of the idiotic Birther claims.

Mocking Birthers is fun though.

And Bush was elected twice as well. I guess by your standards he must have been a great president by voters who rejected all the idiotic made up bullshit about him.

A 'great president'? That's subjective. Meeting the constitutional requirements to run?

You betcha, birther.

I don't think Bush was a "great president" at all. I think his heart was in the right place but not his head. Like Trump said to Jeb, "the reason we have this disaster Obama is because of what your brother did".

Um....so? None of that has the slightest relevance to what we're discussing. Your personal opinion is gloriously irrelevant to anyone's eligibility to be president, birther.

Just pointing out to you that getting voted twice doesn't necessarily make one a great president. History will judge that, when there is no bias or special interest. Bill Clinton was indeed a great president, and so was Ronald Reagan. Carter has been judged a failure, GW the jury is still out, and Obama will also be judged a failure.

Strawman. No one has argued that being elected twice makes you a 'great president'. What has been argued is that being elected twice means that a majority of the electorate is convinced of your constitutional eligibility.

Or majority of electorate has been deceived for the last 7 years. This is the same guy that came up with an elaborate fabrication and then got in front of the cameras and totally lied about Ben Ghazi, then sent his cronies out to repeat the same lie in the mass media. I don't see lying about his birth and then conspiring to keep the truth under cover beyond his abilities and ethics.

 

[Roudy]

Obama's original birth certificate with the state seal and original signature of the issuing clerk holds as much legal weight as what the state has of him.

The state holds the original vital documents. So says the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii who has inspected them personally.

You don't know a fucking thing about birth certificates. You're making up your bullshit as you go along. And you've inspected none of obma's original vital documents. Rendering your assessment the useless opinion of someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

While Chiyome Fukino most definitely does know what she's talking about.

Try again, Birther. This time offering more than you citing yourself on matters you're clueless about.

i don't care what a govt. employee in an overwhelmingly democrat run state named Fuckimo says. I want to see Obama's original, and then match it to what the state says is the copy of the original. And then I want an explanation that back then, all black people were referred to on birth certificates as "African", which is more of a geographical designation.

Of course you 'don't care' about actual evidence.

You, like all birthers, rely completely upon speculation, innuendo and lies.

I'm like Peter Falk. I want to correlate what the state has, with what Obama / his parents surely at some point in time was issued as a child in order to obtain his passport, hence "Obama's original."

Let us know when you have actually read what the State of Hawaii says.

I won't hold my breath.

I read it. And I told you I need to see Obama's original, or he should tell the nation what has happened to it.

 

[Skylar]

You are an idiot.

I was born a few years before Barack Obama.
I 'hold' no original birth certificate. I haven't needed even a copy of my BC since I got my passport decades ago. I know where my original BC is- its in the county I was born.

Read the State of Hawaii's website- or are you really so determined to remain ignorant?

The state issues an original and it is used for proof of US citizenship or obtaining a first time passport.

The state issues a certified copy which is used to obtain passports. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

If you're born outside of the US, the US govt is going to want to see a translated, certified, apostille of your birth overseas birth certificate. If you can't verify that you are who you claim to be you are including by the embassy of the country you are from, then you aren't going to even get a green card, let alone become a citizen.

And since Obama was born in Hawaii....all your embassy babble is gloriously irrelevant.

Like I said, certified copy, although the same as far as proof of US citizenship and legality of it, is not exactly the same as the one you are first issued as a child, which is your original. Especially when it comes to this issue.

As per the State of Hawaii- the 'original' is what they have on file in Hawaii.

Why do you refuse to read what the State of Hawaii says?

Hawaii can't be trusted since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, determined after a lengthy investigation that the long form birth certificate released on April 27, 2011 is without a doubt a 100% forgery that never existed in paper form.

Show me the official report from Maricopa County Sheriff's Department saying any of this.

There is none. Its not an Maricopa County Sheriff's Department investigation. Its an investigation by a corrupt non-profit named the 'Cold Case Posse' whose 'lead investigator' (and I use that term loosely) took 5 figure bribes from birthers under the table.

And then lied about it.

Corrupt, bribe taking piece of shit Mike Zullo, to be exact.

After two years of denying he personally profited from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, the head of the sheriff's Cold Case Posse admitted to CBS 5 Investigates that he accepted a large monetary gift from one of the sources in the investigation.

Read more: Birther posse chief: I accepted $10,000 from source

This lying sack of shit protested so adamently that all the accusations against him were lies....

In response to questions emailed to him last week regarding personal use of the posse's money, Zullo responded on Tuesday:

"My answer to this question is emphatically No! These accusations that you claim you have heard are absolutely unfounded, slanderous and completely fabricated. They are designed to cast me and this organization in a disparaging light. I am appalled at this accusation!"

Read more: Birther posse chief: I accepted $10,000 from source

But a day later when Zullo was presented with the evidence that he was a corrupt, lying sack of shit....Zullo's story changed:

One day later, after faced with evidence provided by CBS 5 Investigates, Zullo sent another email.

"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.


Read more: Birther posse chief: I accepted $10,000 from source

And shocker......Zullo's 'investigation' found exactly what Bill Wolf wanted it to. Sometimes quoting Wolf word for word.

And this is your investigation?

 

[Roudy]

i'm getting a kick out of watching the 0bots swarm roudy. they are still using alinsky prescribed ridicule.

meanwhile back at the ranch obama's body guy says democrats weren't the only ones throwing birther around.

everyone is writing a book it seems.

Laughing......so we should just sit and accept his steaming pile of horseshit that Obama has his original birth certificate?

Um, no.

Until you says where his original is, you can sit in whatever you prefer.

For perhaps the 10th time......the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents.

And when you ask again, the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. And yes, its the STATE of Hawaii that holds the original vital documents. And just so you're not confused as to location, its the State of HAWAII that holds the original vital documents.

Did you get that the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents? Or do I need to repeat that the State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents?

Obama's parents at some point in time held an original which matched the state's records. They may or may not have given it to Obama. You don't know how these things work, do you?

Says you, citing yourself. And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Says who? Says the State of Hawaii.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen,"

Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists | The Honolulu Advertiser | Hawaii's Newspaper

But you know better than the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii?

Laughing....no, you don't.

Did Susan Rice and Eric Holder lie and deceive the American public many times?