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And those younger guys who coulda been coal miners can move to where natl gas is being produced and have .... jobs. The older guys who aren't physically able to do that, or the guys who have disabilities, are doubly shafted by Trump. The jobs aren't coming back and he explicitly or implicitly lied about offering similar econ protection as the dems offered.Trump fed the coal workers a big heaping serving of bullshit. He's not going to be able to save their jobs. Trump's Chumps have been fooled into bleeving it has something to do with regulation, but it doesn't.
But for every job lost in the coal industry, there have been, and will continue to be, bigger gains in the natural gas industry. It won't be long until Trump and his Chumps are dead silent about coal and claiming credit for the increase in natural gas jobs which has been going on for some time now.
Problem with your statement is that there aren't many jobs in natural gas right now. I like in Gas Country and drilling is shut down because of low gas prices. Our local Halliburton closed up shop ad laid off around 400 employees. All the drilling companies eiither mothballed their rigs or moved to Texas and N. Dakota. But now they are shut down. little to no drill anywhere. I read sometime back that the international companies, and the wealthier companies moved their rigs overseas.
When drilling comes back, and it will eventually, it's going to take some time to get back to full swing.
p.s. I got some of this information from my neighbor that is a Halliburton Superintendent.
Low gas and oil prices save working people in a myriad of ways, but causes workers in that field to struggle to pay even those low prices.
There is no such thing as black snow in Wyoming and they are still mining there...Your fake news tell you this?CO2 regulations will cease to exist....PM2.5 will cease to exist....I will say this is a good post, Where I grew up it was the same. Coal has to be burned in an efficient way to be viable, But the BTU return per dollar is better than any fuel. The waste also has to be handled properly. The coal from Powder river absin is some of the cleanest burning in the continental US with proper mixture it can be used with the eastern mined coal to achieve almost the same BTU and much less output of sulfur Dioxides too. The process of pulverizing the coal to minute particles and high pressure introduction and extreme burn temperatures made the burn much cleaner too. As stated the oshit-ma administration regulated the coal industry out, Probably so he could set up the "Green energy initiative" to funnel billions of taxpayer dollars to his comrades, and the dnc. slime ass gore took 100 million dollars (NET 98 good return on 2 mil) out of JUST one of the companies that got a billion or so when it went belly up as it was designed to do by the dnc and the government thieves in office. Don't you figure That paid the bill for all of the next elections and put lots in the pockets of the players.
It's more than that. You simplify it. It's not the powdering it that you have to worry about, it's the CO2, Sulphur Dioxide and Carbon it belches out the stacks. It takes Scrubbers to trap these and the Scrubbers are expensive to buy and maintain. When they find a cheap way to do that then coal takes over with a vengence. But not until then.
Coal will rule....the democrat war on coal is over....
And we go back to the time when the air was fit to breath only a few days a month. I have seen the before and after shots of Pittsburg where it showed the 1950s V the 1980s. I doubt if the ones that live there want to go back to the "Good Old Days".
Fake news? How about a lifetime of living in Coal Country and watching it snow black snow. The Snow is white once again and we need to keep it that way. You reject science as much as the other side only pays attention to the science that agrees with their views.
There is no such thing as black snow in Wyoming and they are still mining there...Your fake news tell you this?CO2 regulations will cease to exist....PM2.5 will cease to exist....It's more than that. You simplify it. It's not the powdering it that you have to worry about, it's the CO2, Sulphur Dioxide and Carbon it belches out the stacks. It takes Scrubbers to trap these and the Scrubbers are expensive to buy and maintain. When they find a cheap way to do that then coal takes over with a vengence. But not until then.
Coal will rule....the democrat war on coal is over....
And we go back to the time when the air was fit to breath only a few days a month. I have seen the before and after shots of Pittsburg where it showed the 1950s V the 1980s. I doubt if the ones that live there want to go back to the "Good Old Days".
Fake news? How about a lifetime of living in Coal Country and watching it snow black snow. The Snow is white once again and we need to keep it that way. You reject science as much as the other side only pays attention to the science that agrees with their views.
Wyoming is producing coal, natural gas and oil… A win, win for everybody.This story is Fake News. How many times did Trump vow to repeal and replace Obamacare? One hundred times? Five hundred times? A thousand times? No one who voted for Trump didn't know he was going to get rid of Obamacare. And it is ignorant for you to believe it, much less post it.
It's not "fake news". People are genuinely worried. They should have thought it through before voting for coal. jobs that are never going to come back beause of frigging automation.
Automation? You have no idea what you're taking about. I'm from coal country. My grandfather was a coal miner and two of my cousins are mine engineers. Automation has NOTHING to do with it. Obama regulation is 100% to blame.
Do you also think they are stupid and didn't understand that Repeal Obamacare meant Repeal Obamacare?
It's no wonder the Democrats lost. The think Americans are so stupid they can't understand English.
I'm in coal country. I'm in an energy producing state.
Prove Obama's regulation is 100% to blame. Regulations make a convenient scapegoat, but are only a minor part of the problem. Instead of attacking the regulations (which ignores the real problem) and promising a return of jobs that won't come back - we should be retraining our workforce and improving our infrastructure to attract industries that can offer better paying jobs than burger flipping.
What's to blame is:
Competition from cleaner and cheaper energy (natural gas)
Competition from areas where it's easier and cheaper to extract coal than Appalachia.
Automation
Regulatory pressures
Here’s why Central Appalachia’s coal industry is dying
Why have Kentucky and West Virginia lost 38,000 coal jobs since 1983? For one, coal mining has become increasingly automated in recent decades, particularly as companies have shifted to techniques such as mountaintop-removal mining, which are less labor intensive. (An EPA crackdown on mountaintop removal in 2009 actually led to a small bump in coal employment in West Virginia.)
Another big problem for Appalachia's coal industry has been competition from cheaper, low-sulfur coal out West — particularly from Wyoming's Powder River Basin.
On top of everything else, Central Appalachia's coal now appears to be running out, as many of the thick, easy-to-mine seams have vanished. The Energy Information Administration estimates that coal production in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia will soon be just half of what it was in 2008, plunging from 234 million tons down to 112 million tons in 2015.
No Matter What Trump Says, Coal Mining Jobs Are Not Returning To West Virginia
TRUMP: 'We’re going to get those miners back to work ... the miners of West Virginia and Pennsylvania, which was so great to me last week, Ohio and all over are going to start to work again, believe me. They are going to be proud again to be miners.'Well, no, they're not, for three very good reasons. Firstly, clean coal doesn't work and there's serious doubt that it ever will. And even if clean coal can be made to work it will always be easier to perform the same trick with the CO2 emissions from using natural gas instead. But perhaps technological explanations aren't convincing.
Secondly, there's easier coal out there than those Appalachian mines like the strip mining out west for example. Once mines have closed you don't reopen them if cheaper alternatives exist. You might keep running them because of sunk costs, but you don't start again when cheaper alternatives are elsewhere. But okay, maybe technical stuff from the world of mining also isn't convincing.
The third reason is the killer: economics. Fracking has made natural gas cheaper than coal for power generation. Thus new generations of power plants are going to be gas ones, not coal. And refurbs and life extensions of coal plants aren't going to happen for the same reason. There's just not going to be anything like the same market for thermal coal in the future.
And those younger guys who coulda been coal miners can move to where natl gas is being produced and have .... jobs. The older guys who aren't physically able to do that, or the guys who have disabilities, are doubly shafted by Trump. The jobs aren't coming back and he explicitly or implicitly lied about offering similar econ protection as the dems offered.Trump fed the coal workers a big heaping serving of bullshit. He's not going to be able to save their jobs. Trump's Chumps have been fooled into bleeving it has something to do with regulation, but it doesn't.
But for every job lost in the coal industry, there have been, and will continue to be, bigger gains in the natural gas industry. It won't be long until Trump and his Chumps are dead silent about coal and claiming credit for the increase in natural gas jobs which has been going on for some time now.
Problem with your statement is that there aren't many jobs in natural gas right now. I like in Gas Country and drilling is shut down because of low gas prices. Our local Halliburton closed up shop ad laid off around 400 employees. All the drilling companies eiither mothballed their rigs or moved to Texas and N. Dakota. But now they are shut down. little to no drill anywhere. I read sometime back that the international companies, and the wealthier companies moved their rigs overseas.
When drilling comes back, and it will eventually, it's going to take some time to get back to full swing.
p.s. I got some of this information from my neighbor that is a Halliburton Superintendent.
Low gas and oil prices save working people in a myriad of ways, but causes workers in that field to struggle to pay even those low prices.
Wyoming is producing coal, natural gas and oil… A win, win for everybody.This story is Fake News. How many times did Trump vow to repeal and replace Obamacare? One hundred times? Five hundred times? A thousand times? No one who voted for Trump didn't know he was going to get rid of Obamacare. And it is ignorant for you to believe it, much less post it.
It's not "fake news". People are genuinely worried. They should have thought it through before voting for coal. jobs that are never going to come back beause of frigging automation.
Automation? You have no idea what you're taking about. I'm from coal country. My grandfather was a coal miner and two of my cousins are mine engineers. Automation has NOTHING to do with it. Obama regulation is 100% to blame.
Do you also think they are stupid and didn't understand that Repeal Obamacare meant Repeal Obamacare?
It's no wonder the Democrats lost. The think Americans are so stupid they can't understand English.
I'm in coal country. I'm in an energy producing state.
Prove Obama's regulation is 100% to blame. Regulations make a convenient scapegoat, but are only a minor part of the problem. Instead of attacking the regulations (which ignores the real problem) and promising a return of jobs that won't come back - we should be retraining our workforce and improving our infrastructure to attract industries that can offer better paying jobs than burger flipping.
What's to blame is:
Competition from cleaner and cheaper energy (natural gas)
Competition from areas where it's easier and cheaper to extract coal than Appalachia.
Automation
Regulatory pressures
Here’s why Central Appalachia’s coal industry is dying
Why have Kentucky and West Virginia lost 38,000 coal jobs since 1983? For one, coal mining has become increasingly automated in recent decades, particularly as companies have shifted to techniques such as mountaintop-removal mining, which are less labor intensive. (An EPA crackdown on mountaintop removal in 2009 actually led to a small bump in coal employment in West Virginia.)
Another big problem for Appalachia's coal industry has been competition from cheaper, low-sulfur coal out West — particularly from Wyoming's Powder River Basin.
On top of everything else, Central Appalachia's coal now appears to be running out, as many of the thick, easy-to-mine seams have vanished. The Energy Information Administration estimates that coal production in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia will soon be just half of what it was in 2008, plunging from 234 million tons down to 112 million tons in 2015.
No Matter What Trump Says, Coal Mining Jobs Are Not Returning To West Virginia
TRUMP: 'We’re going to get those miners back to work ... the miners of West Virginia and Pennsylvania, which was so great to me last week, Ohio and all over are going to start to work again, believe me. They are going to be proud again to be miners.'Well, no, they're not, for three very good reasons. Firstly, clean coal doesn't work and there's serious doubt that it ever will. And even if clean coal can be made to work it will always be easier to perform the same trick with the CO2 emissions from using natural gas instead. But perhaps technological explanations aren't convincing.
Secondly, there's easier coal out there than those Appalachian mines like the strip mining out west for example. Once mines have closed you don't reopen them if cheaper alternatives exist. You might keep running them because of sunk costs, but you don't start again when cheaper alternatives are elsewhere. But okay, maybe technical stuff from the world of mining also isn't convincing.
The third reason is the killer: economics. Fracking has made natural gas cheaper than coal for power generation. Thus new generations of power plants are going to be gas ones, not coal. And refurbs and life extensions of coal plants aren't going to happen for the same reason. There's just not going to be anything like the same market for thermal coal in the future.
Wyoming is a great place to do both mining and drilling... there's really nothing to lose there. FactWyoming is producing coal, natural gas and oil… A win, win for everybody.This story is Fake News. How many times did Trump vow to repeal and replace Obamacare? One hundred times? Five hundred times? A thousand times? No one who voted for Trump didn't know he was going to get rid of Obamacare. And it is ignorant for you to believe it, much less post it.
It's not "fake news". People are genuinely worried. They should have thought it through before voting for coal. jobs that are never going to come back beause of frigging automation.
Automation? You have no idea what you're taking about. I'm from coal country. My grandfather was a coal miner and two of my cousins are mine engineers. Automation has NOTHING to do with it. Obama regulation is 100% to blame.
Do you also think they are stupid and didn't understand that Repeal Obamacare meant Repeal Obamacare?
It's no wonder the Democrats lost. The think Americans are so stupid they can't understand English.
I'm in coal country. I'm in an energy producing state.
Prove Obama's regulation is 100% to blame. Regulations make a convenient scapegoat, but are only a minor part of the problem. Instead of attacking the regulations (which ignores the real problem) and promising a return of jobs that won't come back - we should be retraining our workforce and improving our infrastructure to attract industries that can offer better paying jobs than burger flipping.
What's to blame is:
Competition from cleaner and cheaper energy (natural gas)
Competition from areas where it's easier and cheaper to extract coal than Appalachia.
Automation
Regulatory pressures
Here’s why Central Appalachia’s coal industry is dying
Why have Kentucky and West Virginia lost 38,000 coal jobs since 1983? For one, coal mining has become increasingly automated in recent decades, particularly as companies have shifted to techniques such as mountaintop-removal mining, which are less labor intensive. (An EPA crackdown on mountaintop removal in 2009 actually led to a small bump in coal employment in West Virginia.)
Another big problem for Appalachia's coal industry has been competition from cheaper, low-sulfur coal out West — particularly from Wyoming's Powder River Basin.
On top of everything else, Central Appalachia's coal now appears to be running out, as many of the thick, easy-to-mine seams have vanished. The Energy Information Administration estimates that coal production in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia will soon be just half of what it was in 2008, plunging from 234 million tons down to 112 million tons in 2015.
No Matter What Trump Says, Coal Mining Jobs Are Not Returning To West Virginia
TRUMP: 'We’re going to get those miners back to work ... the miners of West Virginia and Pennsylvania, which was so great to me last week, Ohio and all over are going to start to work again, believe me. They are going to be proud again to be miners.'Well, no, they're not, for three very good reasons. Firstly, clean coal doesn't work and there's serious doubt that it ever will. And even if clean coal can be made to work it will always be easier to perform the same trick with the CO2 emissions from using natural gas instead. But perhaps technological explanations aren't convincing.
Secondly, there's easier coal out there than those Appalachian mines like the strip mining out west for example. Once mines have closed you don't reopen them if cheaper alternatives exist. You might keep running them because of sunk costs, but you don't start again when cheaper alternatives are elsewhere. But okay, maybe technical stuff from the world of mining also isn't convincing.
The third reason is the killer: economics. Fracking has made natural gas cheaper than coal for power generation. Thus new generations of power plants are going to be gas ones, not coal. And refurbs and life extensions of coal plants aren't going to happen for the same reason. There's just not going to be anything like the same market for thermal coal in the future.
It's in how you do it. If you want, you can dig down a few thousand feet with your earth movers and just dip the oil out. Much like strip mining for coal. Your Strip Mining has harmed Colorado and Utah that won't allow strip mining and you have to actually go underground after the coal. The price of coal goes down to the point that real coal mining is unprofitable. And it pretty well prevents the investing in technology to make burning coal as clean as natural gas.
Your ideas are worse than the Regulations in place. Are you aware that it's not the Feds that do most of the regulating but the states?
Drill baby drill... mine baby mine.
In rural states it hurts no one that way... only helps the economy. Fact
It would be fine, there's nothing to see and do in eastern Wyoming that's for sure...Drill baby drill... mine baby mine.
In rural states it hurts no one that way... only helps the economy. Fact
I can see it now. The entire Eastern side of Wyoming is carted off. That's one hell of a fill dirt. Other states might want the dirt. It could be a new business until that part of Wyoming is below sea level.
Here's a link from a well known piss source for the pseudocons, so you know it must be true: U.S. Has Lost 191,000 Mining Industry Jobs Since September 2014
Here's how natural gas jobs have been doing:
How many would volunteer to have fly/bottom ash piled in their backyards?
You'll see.
Trump won't be able to save those coal jobs, and it won't be long before his Chumps are dead silent about it.
Book it.
This story is Fake News. How many times did Trump vow to repeal and replace Obamacare? One hundred times? Five hundred times? A thousand times? No one who voted for Trump didn't know he was going to get rid of Obamacare. And it is ignorant for you to believe it, much less post it.
It's not "fake news". People are genuinely worried. They should have thought it through before voting for coal. jobs that are never going to come back beause of frigging automation.
This story is Fake News. How many times did Trump vow to repeal and replace Obamacare? One hundred times? Five hundred times? A thousand times? No one who voted for Trump didn't know he was going to get rid of Obamacare. And it is ignorant for you to believe it, much less post it.
It's not "fake news". People are genuinely worried. They should have thought it through before voting for coal. jobs that are never going to come back beause of frigging automation.
We don't need coal like we used to but the rest of the world does....ever heard of exports? Hello?
This story is Fake News. How many times did Trump vow to repeal and replace Obamacare? One hundred times? Five hundred times? A thousand times? No one who voted for Trump didn't know he was going to get rid of Obamacare. And it is ignorant for you to believe it, much less post it.
It's not "fake news". People are genuinely worried. They should have thought it through before voting for coal. jobs that are never going to come back beause of frigging automation.
We don't need coal like we used to but the rest of the world does....ever heard of exports? Hello?
That doesn't address the major problems driving the coal industry down. Hell, if exports were the solution you guys wouldn't be carping about regulations.
This story is Fake News. How many times did Trump vow to repeal and replace Obamacare? One hundred times? Five hundred times? A thousand times? No one who voted for Trump didn't know he was going to get rid of Obamacare. And it is ignorant for you to believe it, much less post it.
It's not "fake news". People are genuinely worried. They should have thought it through before voting for coal. jobs that are never going to come back beause of frigging automation.
We don't need coal like we used to but the rest of the world does....ever heard of exports? Hello?
That doesn't address the major problems driving the coal industry down. Hell, if exports were the solution you guys wouldn't be carping about regulations.
The regulations are aimed at closing the mines...you need to get out more.
