Trump tearing apart national parks

[airplanemechanic]

No it doesn't. It states:

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

That says nothing about owning big chunks of a state.

 

[longknife]

Leaked maps reveal Trump's plan to slash national parks by 1m acres | Metro News

Donald Trump slashes size of national parks in Utah to allow drilling
Opinion: National parks under attack by Trump administration - Citrus College Clarion

President Trump Declares Major Reduction of Bears Ears Monument

I think this is caused by some illegal activity, either Trump getting paid by corporations for this, or illegally investing when his companies should be in a blind trust.

Either way, there has never been a president which has removed so much land from federal protection as he would like to.

Fake News to anger the population. He paired down National Monuments from the land grab done by The Obama Regime.

FAKE is the claim that a land grab ever occurred. Actually, the claim of a land grab is a big lie.

It would be nice if you bothered to back up your claim.

It is, to a degree, correct. The area was federal land to begin with. What Obozo did was severely restrict its use by claiming it as part of the Park Service instead of the Bureau of land management.

Ya, to the degree that my post is exactly right. As you say, the land in question has always been federal public land and has never been owned by Utah.

the land in question has always been federal public land and has never been owned by Utah.

Could you post the section of the US Constitution which authorizes Federal ownership of such large pieces of land? Thanks!

Clause 2: Property Clause. The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

I guess anything can be stretched to make the Fed supreme. Agreements as part of statehood?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fake News to anger the population. He paired down National Monuments from the land grab done by The Obama Regime.

FAKE is the claim that a land grab ever occurred. Actually, the claim of a land grab is a big lie.

It would be nice if you bothered to back up your claim.

It is, to a degree, correct. The area was federal land to begin with. What Obozo did was severely restrict its use by claiming it as part of the Park Service instead of the Bureau of land management.

Ya, to the degree that my post is exactly right. As you say, the land in question has always been federal public land and has never been owned by Utah.

the land in question has always been federal public land and has never been owned by Utah.

Could you post the section of the US Constitution which authorizes Federal ownership of such large pieces of land? Thanks!

Article IV (4) Section 3 Clause 2

Section 3.
New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

Can you be more specific?

 

[Markle]

And you are the pathetic liar, one of the misinformed, or both that allows this scam to occur.
Please explain and provide evidence of when the lands in question were ever owned or under the control of the sovereign state of Utah and not the public property of the federal government.

I don't have to. President Bill Clinton did that when he took the property away from Utah in order to pay off his debt to the Chinese and prevent the mining of the massive amount of high quality, low sulfur anthracite coal.

 

[Camp]

And you are the pathetic liar, one of the misinformed, or both that allows this scam to occur.
Please explain and provide evidence of when the lands in question were ever owned or under the control of the sovereign state of Utah and not the public property of the federal government.

I don't have to. President Bill Clinton did that when he took the property away from Utah in order to pay off his debt to the Chinese and prevent the mining of the massive amount of high quality, low sulfur anthracite coal.

Link. Without a link, your claim stands out as an obvious lie and you as an obvious liar, or as a very misinformed fool. Your dopey conspiracy scheme does not even make sense. Under BLM status commercial interest, even the Chinese, would have a chance of obtaining coal from the federal lands. Changing the status to National Monument status took any opportunity to exploit and obtain coal from the lands off the table.
You need to think out your lie a little bit.

 

[dannyboys]

Leaked maps reveal Trump's plan to slash national parks by 1m acres | Metro News

Donald Trump slashes size of national parks in Utah to allow drilling
Opinion: National parks under attack by Trump administration - Citrus College Clarion

President Trump Declares Major Reduction of Bears Ears Monument

I think this is caused by some illegal activity, either Trump getting paid by corporations for this, or illegally investing when his companies should be in a blind trust.

Either way, there has never been a president which has removed so much land from federal protection as he would like to.

We now have a president who understands the importance of states rights.

No. We have a President that wants to pay for tax cuts for the rich. Jokes on him; I haven't paid federal income tax for 20 years, and I did it legally!

You have to make enough money to pay federal income tax.
Pity you are unemployable.

 

[Rustic]

The federal government claims ownership of nearly 64% of the land in Utah. In a contiguous group of eleven western states, the federal government claims ownership of nearly half of the land in those states. There is no good reason why the federal government should be allowed to claim so much of the land that ought to belong to the state or to the people in those states.

The Massive (and Empty) Federal Lands of the American West
Federal land ownership by state - Ballotpedia

Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?

Doesn't federal land belong to the people of Utah?

Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?

Do the Feds? How's their stewardship been over the last century?

True, The federal government cannot afford these lands, it would be much better suited in private hands

 

[tigerred59]

Donald Trump is a sick man. Unfit for everything outside of reality TV and fucking around with women. For his supporters to continually co sign on his madness and do so without one shred of concern for the carnage this man is doing to this nation....is a crime against this nation, our history and our future. These people are gonna wake up one day, just as the german did, realize their blind allegence will take decades to undo the damage. This country, thanks to Trump, is really headed for a nightmare we may never recoup. I can not believe the congress is allowing this shit, unfuckinbelievable

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Donald Trump is a sick man. Unfit for everything outside of reality TV and f•••ing around with women. For his supporters to continually co sign on his madness and do so without one shred of concern for the carnage this man is doing to this nation....is a crime against this nation, our history and our future. These people are gonna wake up one day, just as the german did, realize their blind allegence [sic] will take decades to undo the damage. This country, thanks to Trump, is really headed for a nightmare we may never recoup. I can not believe the congress is allowing this s•••, unf•••inbelievable

 

[OnePercenter]

Trump scaled back two state monuments created by Obama in Utah. Wow, Trump is literally reversing everything Obama has done. Trump is taking an eraser to the “legacy” of Barack Obama and in this case giving land back to the people. As a Trump supporter, this is what I want.

It's always belonged to the people, or are you too stupid to understand that?

If you are middle class AND a Trump supporter you ARE STUPID.

One thing about the german people who fell prey to Hitler, they didn't have information at their disposal.....so you kinda forgive their ignorance....but these fools, these blind stupid fools, how on God's green earth are they in line with a party, who could give two fucks about them? Its almost too sad to watch.

As I've already stated, middle class that support Trump are modern day brown shirts.

 

[OnePercenter]

The White House is a national park. Is Trump going to sell that too?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Leaked maps reveal Trump's plan to slash national parks by 1m acres | Metro News

Donald Trump slashes size of national parks in Utah to allow drilling
Opinion: National parks under attack by Trump administration - Citrus College Clarion

President Trump Declares Major Reduction of Bears Ears Monument

I think this is caused by some illegal activity, either Trump getting paid by corporations for this, or illegally investing when his companies should be in a blind trust.

Either way, there has never been a president which has removed so much land from federal protection as he would like to.

/----/ No he's not you drama Queen. He's just undoing Obozo's overreach.

 

[koshergrl]

Leaked maps reveal Trump's plan to slash national parks by 1m acres | Metro News

Donald Trump slashes size of national parks in Utah to allow drilling
Opinion: National parks under attack by Trump administration - Citrus College Clarion

President Trump Declares Major Reduction of Bears Ears Monument

I think this is caused by some illegal activity, either Trump getting paid by corporations for this, or illegally investing when his companies should be in a blind trust.

Either way, there has never been a president which has removed so much land from federal protection as he would like to.

That's what we elected him for. To roll back every mistake Obama made.

 

[koshergrl]

The White House is a national park. Is Trump going to sell that too?

He didn't sell anything. You're confusing him with the Clintons and Obama.

 

[OnePercenter]

The federal government claims ownership of nearly 64% of the land in Utah. In a contiguous group of eleven western states, the federal government claims ownership of nearly half of the land in those states. There is no good reason why the federal government should be allowed to claim so much of the land that ought to belong to the state or to the people in those states.

The Massive (and Empty) Federal Lands of the American West
Federal land ownership by state - Ballotpedia

Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?

Doesn't federal land belong to the people of Utah?

Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?

Do the Feds? How's their stewardship been over the last century?

True, The federal government cannot afford these lands, it would be much better suited in private hands

I'm an investor. Convince me that a national park is going to pay a ROI.

 

[koshergrl]

Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question? The answer is NO.

I don't see how that can reliably be assumed to be true, nor why it is even relevant. This is land which rightfully ought to belong to the state of Utah, or to individual residents of Utah. Does the federal government have the power to seize property, either from states or individuals, on the basis that the owner of that property is alleged not to have the finances to support it? Where is this power enumerated, in the Constitution?

If Utah doesn't have the finances to support all of the land that it rightfully owns, then the correct remedy is for it to sell that land. Let people build houses, and stores, and other facilities; let people live on that land, and work on that land. Let the land be used in the way that maximizes its value to humanity.

There is no good reason,and no legitimate reason, for the federal government to be hoarding for itself, such large amounts of valuable property, and preventing that property from being put to good use; and certainly no excuse for the federal government to not even offer just compensation to those from whom this property was stolen.

Yup.
BTW, most of the lands they have seized have uranium.

And incidentally, ppl, Utah has protected Bear's Ears just fine all these years. There has been more damage done to it since the traitor Obama's seizure of it than there has been in the millennia before.

 

[OnePercenter]

The White House is a national park. Is Trump going to sell that too?

He didn't sell anything. You're confusing him with the Clintons and Obama.

He returned land to Utah that they never owned. That's a sell-off in the worst case.

 

[koshergrl]

The White House is a national park. Is Trump going to sell that too?

He didn't sell anything. You're confusing him with the Clintons and Obama.

He returned land to Utah that they never owned. That's a sell-off in the worst case.

Oh shut the fuck up. What gobbledygook. The feds are still in control, you sad statist fool. It's just not a national monument. It's back in BLM/USFS hands. So don't worry, the feds are still fucking things up.

 

[OnePercenter]

Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question? The answer is NO.

I don't see how that can reliably be assumed to be true, nor why it is even relevant. This is land which rightfully ought to belong to the state of Utah, or to individual residents of Utah. Does the federal government have the power to seize property, either from states or individuals, on the basis that the owner of that property is alleged not to have the finances to support it? Where is this power enumerated, in the Constitution?

If Utah doesn't have the finances to support all of the land that it rightfully owns, then the correct remedy is for it to sell that land. Let people build houses, and stores, and other facilities; let people live on that land, and work on that land. Let the land be used in the way that maximizes its value to humanity.

There is no good reason,and no legitimate reason, for the federal government to be hoarding for itself, such large amounts of valuable property, and preventing that property from being put to good use; and certainly no excuse for the federal government to not even offer just compensation to those from whom this property was stolen.

Yup.
BTW, most of the lands they have seized have uranium.

And incidentally, ppl, Utah has protected Bear's Ears just fine all these years. There has been more damage done to it since the traitor Obama's seizure of it than there has been in the millennia before.

Which lands have uranium? Please show proof of your claim.

 

[OnePercenter]

The White House is a national park. Is Trump going to sell that too?

He didn't sell anything. You're confusing him with the Clintons and Obama.

He returned land to Utah that they never owned. That's a sell-off in the worst case.

Oh shut the fuck up. What gobbledygook. The feds are still in control, you sad statist fool. It's just not a national monument. It's back in BLM/USFS hands. So don't worry, the feds are still fucking things up.

Why would you be against our natural resources a monument?