Trump Tower Meet....and Steele's dossier...

[nat4900]

When was it used to get FISA warrants, moron?

When did that fucking dossier become public, fuckhead......THAT is what influenced morons like you to bash it......

The IG in the DOJ investigation PROVE your and your ilk WRONG.....Including the lao-dog, Nunes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Collecting proof of Hillary's corruption is not a crime.

But it can be part of one, in light of other information.

Yes, if I murder you to get evidence on Hillary, murder is still a crime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When was it used to get FISA warrants, moron?

When did that fucking dossier become public, fuckhead......THAT is what influenced morons like you to bash it......

The IG in the DOJ investigation PROVE your and your ilk WRONG.....Including the lao-dog, Nunes.

They used it to get warrants before the election, before it became public, silly twat.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, if I murder you to get evidence on Hillary, murder is still a crime.

No, you must be high again. Pay attention: If you give me a ride somewhere, that is not illegal. If you do it to cover up a murder and drive the getaway car, it is illegal.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They used it to get warrants before the election

So what? It wasn't much of the basis, and only corroborated other intelligence they had.

You know, this doomed defense is done now, right? Do you read the news? You should.

 

[Dragonlady]

Inevitably, Trump "defenders" will attempt to address the criticism of the [possibly criminal] meeting by Junior, Kushner and Manafort and Russian operatives, with a typical, "what about Clinton paying Steele for a dossier on Trump"???

Objectively, there is some lop-sided "logic" to this divertive defense........BUT, two factors must also be considered:

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY, versus the attempt to gather opposition research by a country that is a long time ADVERSARY to the U.S.

Second, as we have long learned from the Watergate scandal, the initial wrong-doing PALES in comparison to the attempt to cover up the mistake......Trump has flip-flopped several times in his attempt to covering up the fiasco....directly implicating himself and his family.

Like most ANTI Trump threads on this forum, I expect this one to soon disappear....so, give it a shot in addressing it before the inevitable.

The only problem with the Trump Tower was that the boychinkins did discuss removing effects of the Maginsky Act for dirt on Hillary with the knowledge that the Russian lawyer was actually a Russian spy. That would be a felony, if it can be proven in court.

It would not be illegal to pay a Russian lawyer for opposition research.

But my guess is that the Trump Tower meeting will be sufficiently ambiguous enough to not show anything, beyond Trump knew of it beforehand and crafted statements that ended up being perjury for various underlings .... including the boychinkins. Indictments? Who knows. Not unless there's a bigger game afoot, imo.

The larger problem, imo, for Trump and Trumpbots is whether there's any evidence showing Trump knew of Russian hacking and used information from the hacking in his campaign. The hacking did not come from private individuals. THAT is why Rosenstein teed up the 14 Russians BEFORE Trump blew Putin at Sucksinsky.

You’re assessment of the legal ramifications of the Trump Tower meeting are incorrect. Obtaining dirt from a foreign government, to aid your political campaign is illegal.

The illegal part is “from a foreign government”. This is “conspiring with a foreign government” and it is very illegal.

Junior KNEW he was meeting with a Russian government lawyer. He was thrilled that the Russians wanted to help elect his father. This is the very definition of “collusion” which puts the lie to Trump’s “no collusion” mantra.

In addition to throwing his son under the bus on conspiracy charges, Dumb Donald has now said his son lied to Congress about the purpose of the meeting, and lying to Congress is a felony.

Last but not least, Trump has admitted to dictating the statement to the New York Times about that meeting, the statement which was later proven to be a lie, top to bottom. That ties into Dumb Donald’s ongoing pattern of obstruction of the Russia Investigation since that meeting was already investigation.

President Trump keeps changing his story on all things having to do with the Trump Campaign and its contacts with Russians.

If there is “no collusion”, why are you lying about this? How is the Mueller Investigation a “witch hunt” or a “hoax” when you have now admitted that your campaign did collude with Russian government officials around sanctions, and the President lied to the American public and the press.

Is the press, which has consistently reported the facts of the Russian Investigation, really the “enemy of the people”? Or is the man who has consistently lied, changed the narrative, covered up one set of lies with another set of lies, and denigrated those who both investigated and found the truth and those who reported it, the real enemy of the people here.

As I watch Vladimir Putin’s view of NATO and foreign policy being Trump’s policy, and the destruction of the world trade deals the US government established and which made the US the wealthiest nation on earth, being dismantled to the benefit of China and Russia, I have no doubt as to which it is.

With the Trump Towers, the US would have to prove the boychinkins knew Natashia (I mean Natalya (- was acting as an actual representative of the Russian govt, with the knowledge of the Russian govt, and was authorized to provide something in exchange for Trump doing something regarding the Maginsky Act.

Given that Russia acts through cutouts, and that Natashia does not want to die of a mysterious dose of nerve gas, I doubt the US can ever prove that.

But I think its more than probable the boychinkins lied under oath in providing statements directly dictated by Trump. The Boychinkins might get indicted, but I doubt we'll remove a sitting US potus with a gop Senate over that.

But Rosenstein laid out the actual names of Russian intelligence employees he has probable cause to say violated US law in hacking private communications. That was a shot across Trump's bow, and he reacted rather angrily. LOL IF the US can tie Trump directly to any meeting where Russia shared that information with Trump, or that Trump had foreknowledge of the Russain's use of that information to send out facebook information or wikileaks or sputnik news .... then I'm not sure the US even has to prove a quid pro quo. If Trump benefited, he's an accessory after the fact. That's a felony. Would the Senate remove him? I dunno. I mean we'd like to think they would do the right thing .... but

If Trump can be tied to directly offering anything of value for that information, that is a totally separate felony ... and one that I don't see cannot be anything beyond leading to impeachment and conviction, esp if Trump knew the material was illegally obtained by Russian intelligence agents.

Junior’s emails indicate that he he knew she was a Russian government lawyer acting with full authority from Moscow to help the Trump campaign.

Natalia was also in the US representing a Russian oligarch charged with money laundering. The government’s case was very strong. In early 2017, Jeff Sessions settled the case for 2 cents on the dollar, and no admission of wrong doing.

Trump can’t do jack shit about the Magnitsky Act sanctions because Congress blocked him from lifting them. Putin is said to be furious about this.

It’s becoming obvious that Roger Stone is going to be indicted. Stone is the actual link between the hackers, WikiLeaks and Donald Trump.

Stone admits he was in contact with Gucifer2.0 and WikiLeaks. He tweeted about the content of the Podesta emails hours before WikiLeaks published them.

Then there’s the amazing “coincidence” of the Russian hackers beginning the download of emails from the DNC servers on the very day Trump made his “Russia, if you’re listening” comments.

Or his speech just days before the Trump Tower meeting that he would be having a press conference the following week with new information on the Clintons. When the meeting proved to be a bust, no press conference was held.

Do not under estimate how critical it is for Putin get rid of the Magnitsky Sanction. Unless he can get rid of them, the billions he and his cronies have stolen from businessmen are at risk.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, if I murder you to get evidence on Hillary, murder is still a crime.

No, you must be high again. Pay attention: If you give me a ride somewhere, that is not illegal. If you do it to cover up a murder and drive the getaway car, it is illegal.

Yes, if there were actually a crime involved in meeting a Russian and getting no evidence on Hillary, you might have a point.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They used it to get warrants before the election

So what? It wasn't much of the basis, and only corroborated other intelligence they had.

You know, this doomed defense is done now, right? Do you read the news? You should.

So what?

So they lied to the FISA court. They never verified any of the dossier claims.
It was used to spy on Trump for months before the election.
JBond was correct.

Trump Tower Meet....and Steele's dossier...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, if there were actually a crime involved in meeting a Russian and getting no evidence on Hillary

No, I could still have a point, as there could have been a crime, despite your hopeful claims otherwise, so the fact that I would only have a point "If there would actually a crime" still doesn't rule out my point.

Furthermore your claim that they got nothing on Hillary is not a fact, but instead something you just made up.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So they lied to the FISA court. They never verified any of the dossier claims.

Says who? You? Some of the claims were already verified, before they even saw the dossier, regarding russian efforts and russian agents and contacts.

Dude, seriously. You should probably just give it up. This defense is over.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Inevitably, Trump "defenders" will attempt to address the criticism of the [possibly criminal] meeting by Junior, Kushner and Manafort and Russian operatives, with a typical, "what about Clinton paying Steele for a dossier on Trump"???

Objectively, there is some lop-sided "logic" to this divertive defense........BUT, two factors must also be considered:

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY, versus the attempt to gather opposition research by a country that is a long time ADVERSARY to the U.S.

Second, as we have long learned from the Watergate scandal, the initial wrong-doing PALES in comparison to the attempt to cover up the mistake......Trump has flip-flopped several times in his attempt to covering up the fiasco....directly implicating himself and his family.

Like most ANTI Trump threads on this forum, I expect this one to soon disappear....so, give it a shot in addressing it before the inevitable.

The only problem with the Trump Tower was that the boychinkins did discuss removing effects of the Maginsky Act for dirt on Hillary with the knowledge that the Russian lawyer was actually a Russian spy. That would be a felony, if it can be proven in court.

It would not be illegal to pay a Russian lawyer for opposition research.

But my guess is that the Trump Tower meeting will be sufficiently ambiguous enough to not show anything, beyond Trump knew of it beforehand and crafted statements that ended up being perjury for various underlings .... including the boychinkins. Indictments? Who knows. Not unless there's a bigger game afoot, imo.

The larger problem, imo, for Trump and Trumpbots is whether there's any evidence showing Trump knew of Russian hacking and used information from the hacking in his campaign. The hacking did not come from private individuals. THAT is why Rosenstein teed up the 14 Russians BEFORE Trump blew Putin at Sucksinsky.

You’re assessment of the legal ramifications of the Trump Tower meeting are incorrect. Obtaining dirt from a foreign government, to aid your political campaign is illegal.

The illegal part is “from a foreign government”. This is “conspiring with a foreign government” and it is very illegal.

Junior KNEW he was meeting with a Russian government lawyer. He was thrilled that the Russians wanted to help elect his father. This is the very definition of “collusion” which puts the lie to Trump’s “no collusion” mantra.

In addition to throwing his son under the bus on conspiracy charges, Dumb Donald has now said his son lied to Congress about the purpose of the meeting, and lying to Congress is a felony.

Last but not least, Trump has admitted to dictating the statement to the New York Times about that meeting, the statement which was later proven to be a lie, top to bottom. That ties into Dumb Donald’s ongoing pattern of obstruction of the Russia Investigation since that meeting was already investigation.

President Trump keeps changing his story on all things having to do with the Trump Campaign and its contacts with Russians.

If there is “no collusion”, why are you lying about this? How is the Mueller Investigation a “witch hunt” or a “hoax” when you have now admitted that your campaign did collude with Russian government officials around sanctions, and the President lied to the American public and the press.

Is the press, which has consistently reported the facts of the Russian Investigation, really the “enemy of the people”? Or is the man who has consistently lied, changed the narrative, covered up one set of lies with another set of lies, and denigrated those who both investigated and found the truth and those who reported it, the real enemy of the people here.

As I watch Vladimir Putin’s view of NATO and foreign policy being Trump’s policy, and the destruction of the world trade deals the US government established and which made the US the wealthiest nation on earth, being dismantled to the benefit of China and Russia, I have no doubt as to which it is.

With the Trump Towers, the US would have to prove the boychinkins knew Natashia (I mean Natalya (- was acting as an actual representative of the Russian govt, with the knowledge of the Russian govt, and was authorized to provide something in exchange for Trump doing something regarding the Maginsky Act.

Given that Russia acts through cutouts, and that Natashia does not want to die of a mysterious dose of nerve gas, I doubt the US can ever prove that.

But I think its more than probable the boychinkins lied under oath in providing statements directly dictated by Trump. The Boychinkins might get indicted, but I doubt we'll remove a sitting US potus with a gop Senate over that.

But Rosenstein laid out the actual names of Russian intelligence employees he has probable cause to say violated US law in hacking private communications. That was a shot across Trump's bow, and he reacted rather angrily. LOL IF the US can tie Trump directly to any meeting where Russia shared that information with Trump, or that Trump had foreknowledge of the Russain's use of that information to send out facebook information or wikileaks or sputnik news .... then I'm not sure the US even has to prove a quid pro quo. If Trump benefited, he's an accessory after the fact. That's a felony. Would the Senate remove him? I dunno. I mean we'd like to think they would do the right thing .... but

If Trump can be tied to directly offering anything of value for that information, that is a totally separate felony ... and one that I don't see cannot be anything beyond leading to impeachment and conviction, esp if Trump knew the material was illegally obtained by Russian intelligence agents.

Junior’s emails indicate that he he knew she was a Russian government lawyer acting with full authority from Moscow to help the Trump campaign.

Natalia was also in the US representing a Russian oligarch charged with money laundering. The government’s case was very strong. In early 2017, Jeff Sessions settled the case for 2 cents on the dollar, and no admission of wrong doing.

Trump can’t do jack shit about the Magnitsky Act sanctions because Congress blocked him from lifting them. Putin is said to be furious about this.

It’s becoming obvious that Roger Stone is going to be indicted. Stone is the actual link between the hackers, WikiLeaks and Donald Trump.

Stone admits he was in contact with Gucifer2.0 and WikiLeaks. He tweeted about the content of the Podesta emails hours before WikiLeaks published them.

Then there’s the amazing “coincidence” of the Russian hackers beginning the download of emails from the DNC servers on the very day Trump made his “Russia, if you’re listening” comments.

Or his speech just days before the Trump Tower meeting that he would be having a press conference the following week with new information on the Clintons. When the meeting proved to be a bust, no press conference was held.

Do not under estimate how critical it is for Putin get rid of the Magnitsky Sanction. Unless he can get rid of them, the billions he and his cronies have stolen from businessmen are at risk.

Then there’s the amazing “coincidence” of the Russian hackers beginning the download of emails from the DNC servers on the very day Trump made his “Russia, if you’re listening” comments.

Hillary's 30,000 deleted emails were on the DNC servers?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So they lied to the FISA court. They never verified any of the dossier claims.

Says who? You? Some of the claims were already verified, before they even saw the dossier, regarding russian efforts and russian agents and contacts.

Dude, seriously. You should probably just give it up. This defense is over.

Says who? You?

Says James Comey, in front of Congress, under oath.

Dude!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, if there were actually a crime involved in meeting a Russian and getting no evidence on Hillary

No, I could still have a point, as there could have been a crime, despite your hopeful claims otherwise, so the fact that I would only have a point "If there would actually a crime" still doesn't rule out my point.

Furthermore your claim that they got nothing on Hillary is not a fact, but instead something you just made up.

Furthermore your claim that they got nothing on Hillary is not a fact, but instead something you just made up.

You can show the Russian lawyer actually gave them info on Hillary? Link?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Says James Comey, in front of Congress, under oath.

False. He did not say that about the whole memo, only one part. haha... you fell for the Nunes memo. Dang,how embarrassing... well, if you had any shame, that is...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You can show the Russian lawyer actually gave them info on Hillary? Link?

Why would i do not? that is not necessary not to accept the assertion that they got no info. You are talking crazy, now.

 

[easyt65]

They, like every one else, already know.

They do? Wow... have they not let trump in on this? I guess they like cashing his checks...

yep, makes perfect sense... if you lobotomize yourself...

Your entire diatribe sounds like it is from a 9th little girl, incoherent, saying nothing.

That's nice. You done whining yet?

I'm done with YOU...

 

[easyt65]

They, like every one else, already know.

They do? Wow... have they not let trump in on this? I guess they like cashing his checks...

yep, makes perfect sense... if you lobotomize yourself...

Your entire diatribe sounds like it is from a 9th little girl, incoherent, saying nothing.

That's nice. You done whining yet?

WHINING? Butt-hurt bit@h, please. You are a joke, a gnat biting at ankles.

Yes, whining. Look at your embarrassing behavior.

You are whining like a little b****, because your cult leader is in jeopardy. And it gets worse by the day.

NO CRIME, NO EVIDENCE...and you are a joke.

 

[Meister]

Did I say that? I

No, which is why I phrased it as a question. If you had said it, or if you had stated the negation of it, I wouldn't have had to ask.

You stated: "I don't have to deny something that isn't there"

In response to: "there’s not even an attempt to deny that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians."

Which implies that you think the collusion does not exist. And you seemed pretty confident in your comment. so I was allowing you to clarify. And you did: you don't know. You must have misspoken.

No, I didn't misspeak

So you deny collusion, because it does not exist (that is what "it isn't there" means), but you also don't know if it exists or not.

How bizarre!

No, you're bizarre. We don't have the facts.....that includes your opinion. I deny collusion because the facts haven't been laid down.
You on the other hand seem to want to run with opinions which lack actual facts. Go for it, dude....Opie did it a lot in his tenure as president.
I expect no less from you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

that includes your opinion.

Which opinion is that? Could you be more specific? I am not the on ruling out that something happened, I find it possible that they got nothing from the meeting, and possible that they did. BY the way, you agree with me.

 

[easyt65]

Trump admitting that the purpose of the meeting between his campaign chairman and a Russian operative was to collect information against Hillary Clinton is most definitely evidence.

Evidence of WHAT, moron?!

Meeting to acquire opposition research is NOT a crime. It NEVER WAS!

You snowflakes are so ignorant and so easily emotionally manipulated by your Socialist sore loser handlers!

Bwuhahahaha.....


....but colluding with and paying foreign spies and Russians for unverified propaganda and using it in a US election was illegal.