Trump treated like any other criminal defendant.

[Moonglow]

The Law states that all former Presidents have life long security. There is no one that is more of an extremely dishonorable pedophile than Clinton. If they want to remove Trump's security, frequent island flyer/blow job Bill needs to be first in line. Then there is the Biden Crime Family who works for China while pretending to work in our best interest. Let China provide security for Biden. They are the one's that benefit from him, not us...

Now Clinton is a pedophile, you do have the inside scoop.

 

[mudwhistle]

The problem with your "personal" documents argument, is that anything marked with government classification markings can't be "personal" documents.
We have the case of a college student who wrote a paper on how to make an "A-bomb", that he compiled from non-classified sources, yet the final product was "classified" under

An underachieving Princeton student wrote a term paper describing how to make a nuclear bomb. It was seized by the FBI - KNOWOL

In 1976, John Aristotle Phillips was an underachieving student at Princeton. In order to improve his grades, he wrote a term paper on nuclear proliferation. The report included designs for an atomic bomb similar to the one dropped on Nagasaki. He used publicly available books and papers to...

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An underachieving Princeton student wrote a term paper describing how to make a nuclear bomb. It was seized by the FBI

It's not an argument. It's a fact. Anything Trump took with him was declassified, as only a president can do unilaterally. The only reason Trump never made a big show of declassifying everything, before the Biden Adm hatched this document scheme, was nobody ever had to deal with a criminal in the White House trying to eliminate his primary political opponent using the courts before. Every document Trump had was a copy of documents that were already in the archives, except gifts Trump collected during his presidency and newspaper clippings.

This is Banana Republic type actions.

I suggest that after the next election that everyone in the prior administration be taken out back and shot like they do in 3rd World countries.

 

[Moonglow]

was Carter impeached?

No he was more of a pear preserve guy.

 

[mudwhistle]

Clinton claimed he didn't have sex with Monica Lewinski and the result was impeachment.

Donald Trump claimed he didn't have sex with Stormy Daniels, and nothing.

Stormy Daniels claims they never had sex.

 

[meaner gene]

It's not an argument. It's a fact. Anything Trump took with him was declassified, as only a president can do unilaterally. The only reason Trump never made a big show of declassifying everything, before the Biden Adm hatched this document scheme, was nobody ever had to deal with a criminal in the White House trying to eliminate his primary political opponent using the courts before.

The problem with the "just by thinking about it", or "anything brought back to the residence." arguments are both absurd, and a danger to national security.

First, documents can't be declassified, "information" is declassified. You can't take two copies of a classified document, laid side by side. And declare the one on the right is declassified, while the one on the left remains classified.

 

[para bellum]

Actually Trump has a letter from "Stormy Daniels" an alias, Just like Trump alias of "David Denison".
That statement, claimed to have been made under duress, may carry no legal weight, because of the lack of legal signatures from the NDA.

It does not have to carry any "legal weight".

The jury has the task of determining the credibility of all the evidence presented. Their verdict should reflect that.

 

[White 6]

It's never gonna happen. Which is by design. They'll claim Trump cheated to stay out of prison.

Mud, you know me, somewhat. You know, I don't like the S.O.B.. Still, the asshole was a sitting President. I would not want to see him locked up, long term. It would bother me, not in the slightest if any sentence assigned if convicted, were commuted to house arrest at Mara Largo. Though, being forced to wear the prison jumpsuit during the house arrest would be a nice touch.

 

[meaner gene]

Stormy Daniels claims they never had sex.

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Stormy Daniels is a stage name. It has no actual legal weight.

Stormy Daniels can't vote.

 

[meaner gene]

It does not have to carry any "legal weight".

The jury has the task of determining the credibility of all the evidence presented. Their verdict should reflect that.

So a statement claiming they saw Trump committing a crime, signed "Mickey Mouse" would sway a jury?

 

[Blackrook]

Bill Clinton didn't incite an insurrection.
Or commit espionage.
Or violate campaign finance laws.

Clinton molested underaged girls and ordered Epstein killed.

 

[mudwhistle]

Stormy Daniels is a stage name. It has no actual legal weight.

Stormy Daniels can't vote.

She signed that statement. It's a legal alias.

 

[mudwhistle]

Mud, you know me, somewhat. You know, I don't like the S.O.B.. Still, the asshole was a sitting President. I would not want to see him locked up, long term. It would bother, not in the slightest if any sentence assigned if convicted, were commuted to house arrest at Mara Largo. Though, being forced to wear the prison jumpsuit during the house arrest would be a nice touch.

Trump didn't break any laws. If anything, it was his lawyer that broke the law. You cannot be convicted of a felony for following legal advice from your lawyer.

It's not like he was taking money from the Ukrainians and the Chinese like Biden.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Bill Clinton didn't incite an insurrection.
Or commit espionage.
Or violate campaign finance laws.

But he shot his DNA all over Monica's blue dress.

 

[meaner gene]

She signed that statement. It's a legal alias.

Actually the NDA stating the aliases was ruled null and void.

 

[mudwhistle]

Actually the NDA stating the aliases was ruled null and void.

If you say so.

FYI, that isn't an NDA. That was a statement that she never had a sexual relationship with Trump.

 

[para bellum]

So a statement claiming they saw Trump committing a crime, signed "Mickey Mouse" would sway a jury?

If they thought "Mickey Mouse" was credible, yes it could.

Juries are finders of fact. They are not rubber-stamps for the prosecution, and they are not under any obligation to believe everything presented at trial.

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[meaner gene]

If you say so.

FYI, that isn't an NDA. That was a statement that she never had a sexual relationship with Trump.

Judge orders Donald Trump to pay Stormy Daniels $44,000 in legal fees

Payment relates to case over non-disclosure agreement in alleged affair between adult film star and president

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A California judge has ordered Donald Trump to pay the adult film actor and director Stormy Daniels $44,100, to cover legal fees in the battle over her non-disclosure agreement (NDA) with the president.

Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, says she had an affair with Trump from 2006 until 2007.

Cohen paid Daniels $130,000. After Trump’s election, she sued to void the agreement. Trump and his supporters denied the president knew about the payment, before Trump acknowledged it in May 2018 and said Cohen had been reimbursed.

Trump’s lawyers also argued Daniels didn’t prove the president was a part of the NDA, which was made under the name “David Dennison”. Judge Broadbelt wrote there was a large amount of evidence showing Cohen chose Dennison as a pseudonym for Trump.

Trump’s lawyers said Daniels didn’t win the case and therefore wasn’t entitled to lawyer fees. But Judge Robert Broadbelt III disagreed in his ruling on Monday, which determined Daniels to be the “prevailing party” under California law.

 

[meaner gene]

If they thought "Mickey Mouse" was credible, yes it could.

Juries are finders of fact. They are not rubber-stamps for the prosecution, and they are not under any obligation to believe everything presented at trial.

Fictional characters have no credibility, as a matter of law. The judge would not allow it. He would not allow it before the jury.

 

[para bellum]

Actually the NDA stating the aliases was ruled null and void.

That is also irrelevant, because no one is trying to enforce the NDA.

The fact of it's existence is not in dispute by either side. It's actually one of the cornerstones of the prosecution's case. That NDA was the basis for the campaign finance conviction, hello?