Trumpism: This is what PUSHBACK looks like

[Mac1958]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

 

[kyzr]

I think you are correct. Just look at the MSM ridicule of Trump and then what reality looks like...

 

[JoeB131]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

Once again, Vichy Mac starts with his premise and moves on with it.

The thing is, Trump's racism is NOTHING NEW. This shit started with Tricky Dick and his Southern Strategy, continued with Reagan and his Welfare Queens and Young Bucks, Jesse Helms and his "White Hands" ad, and Bush Sr. telling us Willie Horton was going to kill us all!

The GOP has been very good at using racism, sexism and homophobia to get stupid white people to vote against their own economic interests.

While the rich Wall Street types have been slowly dismantling the Middle Class Lifestyle they've accumulated since FDR.

Now that some people are getting fed up with it... these Wall Street types are SHITTING THEMSELVES.

Bernie isn't winning because of "PC" or "Identity Politics". Bernie just won in Whiter than White Iowa and is probably going to win in Whiter than White New Hampshire.

So this is what you are upset about, that someone pointed out the racism of people's opposition to the ACA? Of course it was racist. It was the plan that Republicans were ALL FOR until THE BLACK GUY DID IT.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

Democrats will not beat Trump but I believe they have a path to the Senate and will keep the House.

The only candidate with any shot of beating Trump is Bloomberg and even then I doubt he can seeing Progressives will revolt if Sanders is not the nominee which will cause major havoc on election day that will result in the House Flipping and the GOP retaining the Senate...

Democrats screwed themselves...

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats will not beat Trump but I believe they have a path to the Senate and will keep the House.

The only candidate with any shot of beating Trump is Bloomberg and even then I doubt he can seeing Progressives will revolt if Sanders is not the nominee which will cause major havoc on election day that will result in the House Flipping and the GOP retaining the Senate...

Democrats screwed themselves...

Again, history would disagree.

I remember in 1980, when everyone said that Ronald Reagan was too Right Wing and Radical to get elected.
I remember in 2008, where they said no way would we elect a black guy with a Muslim name.
I remember in 2016, when people thought there was NO WAY Trump could win, especially after the Pussy Grabbing Tape emerged.

I don't support Sanders. But Sanders has something that Bloomberg doesn't have, but Reagan, Obama and Trump did - fanatical followers who are willing to go to the wall for him.

You see, as much as Vichy Mac whines about how we are not "Moderate" enough, the reality is moderates lose. Hillary, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole... a whole litany of "Moderate" losers.

 

[sparky]

So is this some sort of cumulative flip back and forth thing, where the extremism increases exponentially every cycle? Or is it further reaching into generations of angst and anger finding it's outlet?

~S~

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Democrats will not beat Trump but I believe they have a path to the Senate and will keep the House.

The only candidate with any shot of beating Trump is Bloomberg and even then I doubt he can seeing Progressives will revolt if Sanders is not the nominee which will cause major havoc on election day that will result in the House Flipping and the GOP retaining the Senate...

Democrats screwed themselves...

Again, history would disagree.

I remember in 1980, when everyone said that Ronald Reagan was too Right Wing and Radical to get elected.
I remember in 2008, where they said no way would we elect a black guy with a Muslim name.
I remember in 2016, when people thought there was NO WAY Trump could win, especially after the Pussy Grabbing Tape emerged.

I don't support Sanders. But Sanders has something that Bloomberg doesn't have, but Reagan, Obama and Trump did - fanatical followers who are willing to go to the wall for him.

You see, as much as Vichy Mac whines about how we are not "Moderate" enough, the reality is moderates lose. Hillary, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole... a whole litany of "Moderate" losers.

Bill Clinton was moderate, so wrong again nimrod!

Also Sanders could not beat Hillary in 2016, so he will lose to Trump because Purple and Red States do not want his Trotsky version of Amerika!

 

[JoeB131]

Bill Clinton was moderate, so wrong again nimrod!

Bill Clinton only won because Ross Perot split the vote, and the economy tanked.

Also Sanders could not beat Hillary in 2016, so he will lose to Trump because Purple and Red States do not want his Trotsky version of Amerika!

He came damned close to beating her and she had to pull out every stop, including superdelegates, to push him back.

And if the Democrats had run him, he'd have probably beaten Trump, because his brand of socialism would have found a very receptive ear in the Rust Belt, where the Manufacturing jobs still haven't come back.

 

[Mac1958]

So is this some sort of cumulative flip back and forth thing, where the extremism increases exponentially every cycle? Or is it further reaching into generations of angst and anger finding it's outlet?

That's my guess, and it was the first thing I thought about when Trump won: That he would be so over-the-top that we'd get an over-the-top response from the Democrats.

So, here we are. The chasm between the two parties is so wide now that the swings back and forth could just become more violent and insane.
.

 

[JoeB131]

That's my guess, and it was the first thing I thought about when Trump won: That he would be so over-the-top that we'd get an over-the-top response from the Democrats.

So, here we are. The chasm between the two parties is so wide now that the swings back and forth could just become more violent and insane.

Again, wonderful panic from the Wall Street Class.

here's the real problem. Your class has done well under Trump, but the rest of us, not so much. This is why Bernie is winning in Whiter than White Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

[Fueri]

There is little doubt that people saw Obama pushing the country left, saw Hillary as an extension of that and pushed back. Obama himself has said he felt stung by this, as it was a clear repudiation of his policies.

There is also little doubt that the current field would seem to want to go further left than the policies that caused the pushback in the first place, which even some in the dem party recognize as not a winning strategy.

They lost, blamed everything and everyone else for that loss and therefore learned nothing from that it, as, in their minds, they didn't actually lose, as if gripped by some mass delusion.

Meanwhile, Trump is in the White House, the courts have been remade, the economy, despite some troubling elements, is chugging along. meanwhile, the dems have put all their chips on going further left. Its truly astonishing how blind they are to their own contributions to their situation.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Democrats will not beat Trump but I believe they have a path to the Senate and will keep the House.

The only candidate with any shot of beating Trump is Bloomberg and even then I doubt he can seeing Progressives will revolt if Sanders is not the nominee which will cause major havoc on election day that will result in the House Flipping and the GOP retaining the Senate...

Democrats screwed themselves...

Again, history would disagree.

I remember in 1980, when everyone said that Ronald Reagan was too Right Wing and Radical to get elected.
I remember in 2008, where they said no way would we elect a black guy with a Muslim name.
I remember in 2016, when people thought there was NO WAY Trump could win, especially after the Pussy Grabbing Tape emerged.

I don't support Sanders. But Sanders has something that Bloomberg doesn't have, but Reagan, Obama and Trump did - fanatical followers who are willing to go to the wall for him.

You see, as much as Vichy Mac whines about how we are not "Moderate" enough, the reality is moderates lose. Hillary, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole... a whole litany of "Moderate" losers.

/----/ JoeB, rarely do we agree, but this time you are spot on. Polls say people want a moderate, but they can't get elected. Jimma Carter was an exception.

 

[Mac1958]

There is little doubt that people saw Obama pushing the country left, saw Hillary as an extension of that and pushed back. Obama himself has said he felt stung by this, as it was a clear repudiation of his policies.

There is also little doubt that the current field would seem to want to go further left than the policies that caused the pushback in the first place, which even some in the dem party recognize as not a winning strategy.

They lost, blamed everything and everyone else for that loss and therefore learned nothing from that it, as, in their minds, they didn't actually lose, as if gripped by some mass delusion.

Meanwhile, Trump is in the White House, the courts have been remade, the economy, despite some troubling elements, is chugging along. meanwhile, the dems have put all their chips on going further left. Its truly astonishing how blind they are to their own contributions to their situation.

My guess is that, with Obama's first win, the hardcore, illiberal Left thought it was over - that "change had come" and that demographics would keep it that way permanently.

Looks like they were a little early on that. So, after thinking the long, tough battle was over and getting beat, they completely lost their shit.
.

 

[Meathead]

Democrats will not beat Trump but I believe they have a path to the Senate and will keep the House.

The only candidate with any shot of beating Trump is Bloomberg and even then I doubt he can seeing Progressives will revolt if Sanders is not the nominee which will cause major havoc on election day that will result in the House Flipping and the GOP retaining the Senate...

Democrats screwed themselves...

Again, history would disagree.

I remember in 1980, when everyone said that Ronald Reagan was too Right Wing and Radical to get elected.
I remember in 2008, where they said no way would we elect a black guy with a Muslim name.
I remember in 2016, when people thought there was NO WAY Trump could win, especially after the Pussy Grabbing Tape emerged.

I don't support Sanders. But Sanders has something that Bloomberg doesn't have, but Reagan, Obama and Trump did - fanatical followers who are willing to go to the wall for him.

You see, as much as Vichy Mac whines about how we are not "Moderate" enough, the reality is moderates lose. Hillary, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole... a whole litany of "Moderate" losers.

Oh Bull! In 1980 Reagan was a shoe-in. Everyone knew he was going to win in spite of the howlings of the left that we would be bound for nuclear war. Reagan got 51% to Carter's 41.

Besides, Bernie is no Reagan and Carter is no Trump. Bernie's already burnt toast.

 

[gipper]

So is this some sort of cumulative flip back and forth thing, where the extremism increases exponentially every cycle? Or is it further reaching into generations of angst and anger finding it's outlet?

That's my guess, and it was the first thing I thought about when Trump won: That he would be so over-the-top that we'd get an over-the-top response from the Democrats.

So, here we are. The chasm between the two parties is so wide now that the swings back and forth could just become more violent and insane.
.

It’s not extremism. It is the American people voicing their displeasure with a government of, by, and for the extreme wealthy.

The D Party once stood for the working class, but O and the crooked Clinton’s changed all that. They turned the party into a clone of the R Party.

 

[sparky]

This is why Bernie is winning in Whiter than White Iowa and New Hampshire.

he should go to Denmark too.....



~S~

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ JoeB, rarely do we agree, but this time you are spot on. Polls say people want a moderate, but they can't get elected. Jimma Carter was an exception.

I don't even think Jimmy Carter was an exception.

Jimmy Carter ran against Jerry Ford, an UNELECTED president who had just pardoned Nixon, and was pretty Moderate himself. So 1976 (Ugh, we have to go back 44 years to find an exception) was a case of a moderate barely defeating another moderate who had taken the unpopular stance of pardoning a corrupt president.

Now, here's the thing. It used to be when a party went so far off the reservation, there were enough people in the middle to elect the alternative. Goldwater and McGovern were so far off center then lost by convincing margins.

Not so much today. in the last six elections, the Republican hasn't gotten below 45% and the Democrat hasn't gotten below 48%. So really, we are fighting over a mere 7% in the middle at this point.

 

[Norman]

It's not just identity BS. It is globalism, elitism, centralism etc.

And of course Americans being in control of the nation. It's no accident that Trump's signature chant is "Build the wall!".

 

[WillowTree]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

Once again, Vichy Mac starts with his premise and moves on with it.

The thing is, Trump's racism is NOTHING NEW. This shit started with Tricky Dick and his Southern Strategy, continued with Reagan and his Welfare Queens and Young Bucks, Jesse Helms and his "White Hands" ad, and Bush Sr. telling us Willie Horton was going to kill us all!

The GOP has been very good at using racism, sexism and homophobia to get stupid white people to vote against their own economic interests.

While the rich Wall Street types have been slowly dismantling the Middle Class Lifestyle they've accumulated since FDR.

Now that some people are getting fed up with it... these Wall Street types are SHITTING THEMSELVES.

Bernie isn't winning because of "PC" or "Identity Politics". Bernie just won in Whiter than White Iowa and is probably going to win in Whiter than White New Hampshire.

So this is what you are upset about, that someone pointed out the racism of people's opposition to the ACA? Of course it was racist. It was the plan that Republicans were ALL FOR until THE BLACK GUY DID IT.

The dumb assed race card is over used. Your side has cried racism at every occasion. Is that all ewe have? The race card? I pity ewe.

 

[gipper]

It's not just identity BS. It is globalism, elitism, centralism etc.

And of course Americans being in control of the nation. It's no accident that Trump's signature chant is "Build the wall!".

How is that wall coming?