Trump's Second Amendment Rhetoric Again Veers Into Threatening Territory

[2aguy]

If you pay taxes you are paying for that Secret Service security. If Clinton wants to disarm tax paying citizens then she shouldn't have armed security either.

Yet ANOTHER half-brained right winger joins in to show his stupidity (that FOX news corrodes more brains than crack cocaine)....

Clinton NEVER stated to take all guns away from you penis-challenged right wingers.....But, carry on with your imbecility ...

She wants Australian gun control....sorry twit....that is what she wants.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

We don't have shoot hillary. She will just die by herself. Have you seen her lately. She can barely stand.

 

[2aguy]

No, Trump doesn't think she shouldn't have armed guards. His point was that if she doesn't want to be a hypocrite, then yes, have your agents disarm as you would like to see the rest of us do.

Stop being a fuck head.......When did Clinton EVER state that ALL guns should be taken away???

She said Heller was decided wrong....Heller reaffirmed that gun ownership was an individual, not a collective right you moron......that ends the 2nd Amendment......

 

[2aguy]

Her security detail is the Secret Service, she doesn't pick them or pay them.....the same secret service as Trump gets for free.....they are not her own body guards....

He's an idiot!

I'm glad he's back in to being himself and off the teleprompter!!!!

Polls should be shifting in Hillary's favor again.

If you pay taxes you are paying for that Secret Service security. If Clinton wants to disarm tax paying citizens then she shouldn't have armed security either.

A president cannot ‘eliminate’ the Second Amendment, the notion is ignorant idiocy.

And as president Clinton would not seek to ‘disarm’ Americans, this is just another rightwing lie.

For Trump to suggest that Clinton’s security staff be ‘disarmed’ based on Trump’s lie that Clinton wants to ‘disarm’ the American people is reckless and irresponsible, with Trump stating “let’s see what happens to her,” clearly indicates that Trump is advocating that Clinton’s safety be placed in jeopardy.

Trump is indeed reprehensible and deplorable, as are his supporters.

You still are not very bright. Hitler didn't want to murder Jews...he just wanted to resettle them...that is what he told the Germans.....right?

 

[nat4900]

She wants Australian gun control....sorry twit....that is what she wants.

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

 

[initforme]

The 2nd amendment scare tactics have been alive and well since the fifties. Man Americans are plain dumb sometimes.

 

[2aguy]

She wants Australian gun control....sorry twit....that is what she wants.

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

Moron.....they just did a 3 part series in The Age about the gun problem they have in Australia....I posted the articles.......

 

[2aguy]

She wants Australian gun control....sorry twit....that is what she wants.

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

Australian gun control is a myth........

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

But....military weapons?

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

She wants Australian gun control....sorry twit....that is what she wants.

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

 

[mudwhistle]

Care4all, would you address your double standard, another poster pointed out, regarding voter id? Assuming you're against it.

I never really expressed my stand in this thread. I mentioned Hillary's stance, and why regulation of all of our amendments is not infringing their rights.

I am against Government issued Photo ID at the polling booth laws because they were specifically created to disenfranchise through unnecessary hurdles the votes of the poor, the disabled and those who do not drive cars....yet solves absolutely no inherent identity theft at the polls, voter fraud...

I've never voted in a State that had any voter ID laws at the polling Booth, and have never in my entire life witnessed or read about in the news, someone pretending to be another voter and taking their identity at the polling booth....it's just too damn risky to assume the identity in person of another voter.... the whole requirement of having to have a government issued photo ID only and not be able to use your water bill or electric bill with your name and address, or your work picture ID/pay stub with name and address to identify that you are the person that registered to vote, a SHAM and a plan to disenfranchise mostly Democratic leaning POOR AND DISABLED voters.

A sham just like cutting the pre election voting days and cutting Sunday voting...it hurts the hourly working class people the most....

ALL DEVISED to disenfranchise Democratic leaning voters who use these methods of voting the most, to give Republicans a better chance in the elections of winning.

ONLY A PARTISAN BLIND person, can not truly see this, imo.

Care4all, would you address your double standard, another poster pointed out, regarding voter id? Assuming you're against it.

I never really expressed my stand in this thread. I mentioned Hillary's stance, and why regulation of all of our amendments is not infringing their rights.

I am against Government issued Photo ID at the polling booth laws because they were specifically created to disenfranchise through unnecessary hurdles the votes of the poor, the disabled and those who do not drive cars....yet solves absolutely no inherent identity theft at the polls, voter fraud...

I've never voted in a State that had any voter ID laws at the polling Booth, and have never in my entire life witnessed or read about in the news, someone pretending to be another voter and taking their identity at the polling booth....it's just too damn risky to assume the identity in person of another voter.... the whole requirement of having to have a government issued photo ID only and not be able to use your water bill or electric bill with your name and address, or your work picture ID/pay stub with name and address to identify that you are the person that registered to vote, a SHAM and a plan to disenfranchise mostly Democratic leaning POOR AND DISABLED voters.

A sham just like cutting the pre election voting days and cutting Sunday voting...it hurts the hourly working class people the most....

ALL DEVISED to disenfranchise Democratic leaning voters who use these methods of voting the most, to give Republicans a better chance in the elections of winning.

ONLY A PARTISAN BLIND person, can not truly see this, imo.

OH, and a gun can kill and be dangerous if not careful, a single vote, can not.

I live in a state that requires a photo ID and I find it more convenient than having to carry a separate voter card. I don't think that people should be PREVENTED from voting if they don't have an ID if they are registered to vote, but I do like the convenience.

That's a lame excuse. If they want to vote.....they need to have an I.D. Otherwise they could vote multiple times.

In my state, when you vote, they mark your name off the list and you can't vote again.

IN EVERY State..... that's how it works....

People are allowed to cast votes for the elderly without proper I.D. Last election, an illegal stuffed a ballot box with votes from people he said couldn't get to the polls.
The reason so many dead people are voting is because all you have to do is claim you're somebody who hasn't been cleared from the list.
And it doesn't take into account provisional ballots for people claiming they didn't have their information. No I.D. in all theses cases results in a shitload of fake votes.

 

[nat4900]

Moron.....they just did a 3 part series in The Age about the gun problem they have in Australia....I posted the articles.......

Sure nitiwit....argue with this

The study found [that in Australia} there have been no fatal mass shootings since April 1996 -

 

[Esmeralda]

Trump isn't the one trying to disarm we the people. I really don't care about his tax returns, I demand to see why the hillary bleached all those emails

[/quote]

Hillary isn't trying to disarm anyone. Post a link of her saying that or sit down.

When Carter was president the gun nuts said he would take their guns.

When Bill Clinton was president the gun nuts said he would take their guns.

For the last nearly 8 years they've been saying that Obama will take their guns.

Every democratic candidate who has run for the presidency has been accused by the gun nuts that the candidate will take their guns.

Now that Hillary is the candidate they are saying she will take their guns.

I just have to wonder why anyone believes them or pays any attention to them. and why do they believe such stupid lies?

Anyone who has more than 2 brain cells knows that it's a standard lie from the gun nuts.

None of those presidents took away anyone's guns. No president will. No president can repeal the second amendment and no president will even try.

Personally, I am sick of the lies and anyone who actually tries to pass off that extremely old and tired lie.

A person has to be a special kind of stupid to believe that any president is going to take their guns. But then they're conservatives.

It's just typical that the right is having a fit over the emails but not about Trump failing to make his tax returns public or provide a complete health report. If it were Clinton not providing tax returns or a complete health report, they'd be having a fit and declaring how dishonest and decpetive she is. And she has provided both.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Moron.....they just did a 3 part series in The Age about the gun problem they have in Australia....I posted the articles.......

Sure nitiwit....argue with this

The study found [that in Australia} there have been no fatal mass shootings since April 1996 -

they ignored the terrorist ones... now that's funny as hell... You are a moron...

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....they just did a 3 part series in The Age about the gun problem they have in Australia....I posted the articles.......

Sure nitiwit....argue with this

The study found [that in Australia} there have been no fatal mass shootings since April 1996 -

Wow....you are completely clueless......the only reason they haven't had a mass shooting in Australia is that the shooters in the list below did not kill 3 or more people, either by just not killing them or did not decide to kill more people...

Please, genius.....tell us how each of these shooters was stopped from being a mass shooter by Australia's gun control laws.....since they had guns and were shooting at groups of people.....which Australian gun laws stopped them from being a mass shooting...

Please...enlighten us with your wisdom and insights....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
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• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

Here is a neater list.....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
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• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria at La Trobe university in Melbourne, Victoria, armed with a 38-calibre revolver handgun and opened fire, killing cafeteria manager Leon Capraro and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

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• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[62][63]
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• 16 July 2001 – Peter James Knight, an anti-abortion activist, walked into an abortion clinic in East Melbourne armed with a rifle. Knight shot dead security guard Stephen Gordon Rogers and was later overpowered by staff in the abortion clinic. After his arrest, Knight was charged and convicted of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families. Twenty-four-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom. Up to 100 shots were fired into the house by four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.

 

[2aguy]

Trump isn't the one trying to disarm we the people. I really don't care about his tax returns, I demand to see why the hillary bleached all those emails.

Hillary isn't trying to disarm anyone. Post a link of her saying that or sit down and stfu

When Carter was president the gun nuts said he would take their guns.

When Bill Clinton was president the gun nuts said he would take their guns.

For the last nearly 8 years they've been saying that Obama will take their guns.

Every democratic candidate who has run for the presidency has been accused by the gun nuts that the candidate will take their guns.

Now that Hillary is the candidate they are saying she will take their guns.

I just have to wonder why anyone believes them or pays any attention to them. and why do they believe such stupid lies?

Anyone who has more than 2 brain cells knows that it's a standard lie from the gun nuts.

None of those presidents took away anyone's guns. No president will. No president can repeal the second amendment and no president will even try.

Personally, I am sick of the lies and anyone who actually tries to pass off that extremely old and tired lie.

A person has to be a special kind of stupid to believe that any president is going to take their guns. But then they're conservatives.[/QUOTE]
It's just typical that the right is having a fit over the emails but not about Trump failing to make his tax returns public or provide a complete health report. If it were Clinton not providing tax returns orcomplete health report, they'd be having a fit and declaring how dishonest and decpetive she is.[/QUOTE]


Bill the rapist past the Assault Weapon ban...it was useless and stopped no crimes...but it cost clinton control of the congress for the first time in 40 years.....so the democrats gave up on direct action in congress...then Bush was elected moron...and he didn't pass any gun control...

obama came in and had plans to take over healthcare...for that he needed democrats...and didn't want to lose votes because of a gun control push....though he tried to start it with Fast and Furious where he allowed thousands of guns to be sold to drug cartels...but he got caught doing that.........

So obama contented himself with stacking the appelate level courts with anti gun judges, bypassing votes in congress......and putting anti gun justices on the Supreme Court....moron.....

Now we have a one vote loss that will mean the end of the individual right to own guns.....

 

[initforme]

"They're a coming fur yer guns". Lmao yuppers they sure are. Do people actually believe this garbage? Wow.

 

[nat4900]

She wants Australian gun control....sorry twit....that is what she wants.

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

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She wants Australian gun control....sorry twit....that is what she wants.

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work

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Are we talking about gun deaths or armed robberies (with knives)???

 

[Billy_Bob]

FOX NEWS REPORTING

EXPLOSION IN NYC WEST DISTRICT

14 injured or killed...

Developing..

 

[nat4900]

Now we have a one vote loss that will mean the end of the individual right to own guns.....

Run....HIDE........start a revolution...Ask the cleaners to give back your robe and pointed hood.....LOL

 

[2aguy]

"They're a coming fur yer guns". Lmao yuppers they sure are. Do people actually believe this garbage? Wow.

you guys are the fools......we understand history and human behavior...you morons do not.......we have actual gun grabbing from history, recent history as well....Germany in the 1920s.....Britain and Australia in the 1990s....and every single democrat leader has praised or mentioned Britain or Australia and their failed gun control laws...