Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

Why would we kick out these key contributors to our economy?
Because only Dumbocrats are lawless thugs. The rest of us realize that there is no society, economy, or civilization without law and order.
That's a lie.
Prove it. Only one side isn’t enforcing the law my friend, and it sure as hell isn’t the right.

Are you talking about immigration law or civil rights law? It seems to me the Republicans have broken Constitutional based law by trying to suppress minority voting rights.
Thuggery abounds in the HOP camp to such an extent thei corrupt leader , Trump, may be toppled by the dogmatic investigations of Mueller.... How many GOP criminals associated with Trump have already
been given deals to save their asses by talking.
 
One last word about traversing Trump's Folly with controlled balloons. If helium filled party baloons can raise a man in a lawn chair thousands of feet into the air a similar arrangement controlled by coyotes could easily move people over the wall easily.
Of course some kind of quick release and cushionng would have to be added to soften. the fall...or a rope for descension might be a better id ea. Tholis could be done over and over sgain as the tethered balloons could be recovered after each trip.
Yeah...because everyone has thousands of feet of rope to “tether” a balloon and pull it back. Plus...nobody would ever see that. Least of all, the drones patrolling our borders. :eusa_doh:
You dont need thousands of feet of rope dope.All you need is enough to allow the balloon to float just above the top of the wall.
Are you really that dense?

And operating at night would lessen the chance of detection.
Look...I m nit saying it will happen...all I'm saying is it is possible.
 
The visa security program operates under the auspices of Homeland Security not the US Marshals.
Uh...it’s the US Marshals (and ICE) that track down illegals/fugitives. Not Homeland Security.
We were talking about people who overstay their visas. Here is the validationation:

Visa Security Program
Yeah. I know. Are you struggling to keep up here? When they over stay their visas, it will be ICE or the U.S. Marshals that will track them down. And it will be done in just a couple of days due to technology and the information require by the visa program.
Well ...i have a link supporting my premise and you don't so just STFU.
 
Do you remember the Berlin wall. Aseveral people got over that wall with a home made hot air balloon .

"6. In a Hot Air Balloon
The escape orchestrated by Hans Strelczyk and Gunter Wetzel in 1979 sounds like it came straight out of a comic book. Strelczyk, a mechanic, and Wetzel, a mason, used their mechanical know-how to build a hot air balloon engine out of old propane cylinders. Their wives then pieced together a makeshift balloon from scraps of canvas and old bed sheets, and on September 16, 1979, the two couples, along with their four children, floated up to 8,000 feet and drifted over the wall to freedom."
8 Creative Ways People Went Over the Berlin Wall
Soooooo....a whopping 8 people made it over the Berlin Wall over 40 years? :lmao:

Now let’s consider reality for just a moment.....mmmmK?

1. East Germany was oppressive - causing people to go to great lengths to escape. An issue we don’t face with Mexico.

2. The Berlin Wall existed in a time when drones did not patrol the sky. That instantly eliminates your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon idea.

3. In more than 4 decades - you can confirm that a total of 8 people made it over the wall with your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon nonsense? That makes the border wall worth every penny. I’ll accept 8 people “floating” into our nation over 4 decades. That is an epic Return on Investment.

So what do you propse we do about those who overstay their visas?
Enforce the law. Problem solved. Refer to post #745.
More easily said than done. BTW... Border crossings were already declining and visa violations occur despite the wall. Trump's Folly is a waste of money. I'd use those funds to rebuild our aging infrastructure.
 
....as could a man using a hand glider
1. It’s not a “hand glider” it’s a hang glider. :laugh:

2. A lot of hang gliders down there in Mexico, are there?

3. Hang gliders are not airplanes. They can only be used by launching off of a cliff and using the wind to GLIDE for a very short period. There are no cliffs by the border, sweetie.

4. How are Mexicans going to hang glide their infants and small children across?

:lmao: :laugh2: :laugh: :laugh2: :lmao:

Really?
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Oh look....a random picture of a cliff (having absolutely nothing to do with Mexico or the U.S. border).

Google Lake Amistad, or Texas Border cliffs, or even Southern US Border cliffs. You'll find that picture and plenty more.
 
Build a 1000 mile wall and there will be a 1000 tunnels underneath it.
Oh of course! Because the average destitute Mexican can’t afford a $4 million tunnel. :lmao:
Make it 40 feet high, and they'll bring a 41' ladder.
Yeah...because 41 feet high ladders are actually manufactured. :lmao:

Tell me something slick - how are all of these desperate and destitute Mexicans going to transport these imaginary 41 ft. high ladders to the wall?

The human traffickers known as coyotes will take care of that.


They've got some multi-million dollar tunnels along the border already. 240 they have found in the San Diego region alone and they know there's more.

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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-border-tunnels-20150501-htmlstory.html
 
Anyone who claims walls don't work is a traitorous open-borders douche bag. There is simply no valid reason for opposing the wall. Anyone who does it wants to open the flood gates to illegal immigration.
Allow me to complete that sentence for you. Anyone who claims walls don’t work is an immature, pathological liar. Even U.S. Special Forces were unable to breach the prototypes.
U.S. military special forces and the Customs and Border Protection agency recently finished testing border wall prototypes — and the results couldn’t be more conclusive.

Commandos and agents attempted “to breach and scale the eight models in San Diego, using jackhammers, saws, torches and other tools and climbing devices” but were unable to breach the walls each time, a U.S. official anonymously told the AP.
If the most elite military forces in the world can’t breach them, there won’t be a single illegal alien that will be able to pull it off. This should have been done decades ago.

US special forces spent three weeks testing border wall prototypes — the results couldn’t be better
Yeah...a man with a balloon big enough to lifi his weight could be over that wall in seconds ....as could a man using a hand glider. Did the Special Forces try either of those ?
Ahhh .... naivete' .... it is sooooo comforting.


Build a 1000 mile wall and there will be a 1000 tunnels underneath it. Make it 40 feet high, and they'll bring a 41' ladder.

The only way to truly secure the border is with motion detectors (that they can't see) and more border patrol stations who can respond quickly. If they can't see it--they won't even attempt to cross.

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The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

If this wall is built it will be the biggest boondoggle and waste of taxpayer dollars ever. Trump said that Mexico would pay for it. They won't, so why should U.S. taxpayers pay for a worthless wall.

The 21.6 billion is for materials ONLY.

At the end of this video it will explain the over 250 tunnels they have found and they know there are many others they haven't found.


It has been repeatedly demonstrated just exactly how stupid this post is. Tunnels are NOT an option, if the US decides to eliminate them.

You need to stop spreading garbage like this.
 
Anyone who claims walls don't work is a traitorous open-borders douche bag. There is simply no valid reason for opposing the wall. Anyone who does it wants to open the flood gates to illegal immigration.
Allow me to complete that sentence for you. Anyone who claims walls don’t work is an immature, pathological liar. Even U.S. Special Forces were unable to breach the prototypes.
U.S. military special forces and the Customs and Border Protection agency recently finished testing border wall prototypes — and the results couldn’t be more conclusive.

Commandos and agents attempted “to breach and scale the eight models in San Diego, using jackhammers, saws, torches and other tools and climbing devices” but were unable to breach the walls each time, a U.S. official anonymously told the AP.
If the most elite military forces in the world can’t breach them, there won’t be a single illegal alien that will be able to pull it off. This should have been done decades ago.

US special forces spent three weeks testing border wall prototypes — the results couldn’t be better
Yeah...a man with a balloon big enough to lifi his weight could be over that wall in seconds ....as could a man using a hand glider. Did the Special Forces try either of those ?
Ahhh .... naivete' .... it is sooooo comforting.


Build a 1000 mile wall and there will be a 1000 tunnels underneath it. Make it 40 feet high, and they'll bring a 41' ladder.

The only way to truly secure the border is with motion detectors (that they can't see) and more border patrol stations who can respond quickly. If they can't see it--they won't even attempt to cross.

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The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

If this wall is built it will be the biggest boondoggle and waste of taxpayer dollars ever. Trump said that Mexico would pay for it. They won't, so why should U.S. taxpayers pay for a worthless wall.

The 21.6 billion is for materials ONLY.

At the end of this video it will explain the over 250 tunnels they have found and they know there are many others they haven't found.



Thank you, don't expect a trumpanzee to be swayed by the truth / facts you've posted above - they rely on emotion and believe every word and tweet Trump expresses.

Even when he flips and flops on issues, they will agree with him on each flip and each flop. It truly is amazing, albeit an embarrassment to thinking American patriots.

You believe this innocuous bullshit only because you WANT to believe it. Reality is of no concern to you.
 
Do you remember the Berlin wall. Aseveral people got over that wall with a home made hot air balloon .

"6. In a Hot Air Balloon
The escape orchestrated by Hans Strelczyk and Gunter Wetzel in 1979 sounds like it came straight out of a comic book. Strelczyk, a mechanic, and Wetzel, a mason, used their mechanical know-how to build a hot air balloon engine out of old propane cylinders. Their wives then pieced together a makeshift balloon from scraps of canvas and old bed sheets, and on September 16, 1979, the two couples, along with their four children, floated up to 8,000 feet and drifted over the wall to freedom."
8 Creative Ways People Went Over the Berlin Wall
Soooooo....a whopping 8 people made it over the Berlin Wall over 40 years? :lmao:

Now let’s consider reality for just a moment.....mmmmK?

1. East Germany was oppressive - causing people to go to great lengths to escape. An issue we don’t face with Mexico.

2. The Berlin Wall existed in a time when drones did not patrol the sky. That instantly eliminates your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon idea.

3. In more than 4 decades - you can confirm that a total of 8 people made it over the wall with your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon nonsense? That makes the border wall worth every penny. I’ll accept 8 people “floating” into our nation over 4 decades. That is an epic Return on Investment.

So what do you propse we do about those who overstay their visas?
Well, since execution is probably out of the question, 5 years in jail and deportation would probably do the trick. Second offense, 10 years and deportation.
 
The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
 
The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
Utter nonsense. You have no moral character that prevents you from publishing distortion and downright lies?

It sucks to be you.
 
The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
Utter nonsense. You have no moral character that prevents you from publishing distortion and downright lies?

It sucks to be you.
He told the truth. We all lived through it. Why do you damn RW slobs try to change reality when you're cornered.?
 
The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
Utter nonsense. You have no moral character that prevents you from publishing distortion and downright lies?

It sucks to be you.
I have no reason to lie.

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The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
Utter nonsense. You have no moral character that prevents you from publishing distortion and downright lies?

It sucks to be you.
He told the truth. We all lived through it. Why do you damn RW slobs try to change reality when you're cornered.?
Actually, he didn't tell the truth .... and you didn't live thru it. It's just convenient for you to remember history incorrectly. The ability of the left to distort reality, to pervert the truth, and to simply fabricate things remains their only weapon. You look at history thru glasses distorted by shame, and try to justify your position by coloring anything resembling the truth.
 
The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
Utter nonsense. You have no moral character that prevents you from publishing distortion and downright lies?

It sucks to be you.
I have no reason to lie.

5350-1516602930-6280d82716aa9d86816c4a11bfae3aac.jpg
You just don't get it, do you?

You throw all this out there, distort the reality, and then fabricate what you believe the response of Republicans would be. Then, you compound this charade by using your fabrications as proof for other misstatements, distortions, and outright lies.

Must feel like you're standing in quicksand, and the truth is pulling you down.
 
Anyone who claims walls don't work is a traitorous open-borders douche bag. There is simply no valid reason for opposing the wall. Anyone who does it wants to open the flood gates to illegal immigration.
Allow me to complete that sentence for you. Anyone who claims walls don’t work is an immature, pathological liar. Even U.S. Special Forces were unable to breach the prototypes.
U.S. military special forces and the Customs and Border Protection agency recently finished testing border wall prototypes — and the results couldn’t be more conclusive.

Commandos and agents attempted “to breach and scale the eight models in San Diego, using jackhammers, saws, torches and other tools and climbing devices” but were unable to breach the walls each time, a U.S. official anonymously told the AP.

If the most elite military forces in the world can’t breach them, there won’t be a single illegal alien that will be able to pull it off. This should have been done decades ago.

US special forces spent three weeks testing border wall prototypes — the results couldn’t be better

LOL, did they try to use an anti tank weapon?

So said an anonymous U.S. official

Where would some poor Mexican peasant get an anti-tank weapon? The ones I'm familiar with cost over $200,000 a pop.

A few hundred bucks for a Chicom hand thrown anti tank grenade. Iraq & Iran used a sh!tload against US.
Then there are the Hafthohlladung H3.5 & Panzerwurfmine

Those are all WW II era weapons. I doubt if they are still manufactured, and they probably wouldn't penetrate 2 feet of reinforced concrete.
 
The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
Utter nonsense. You have no moral character that prevents you from publishing distortion and downright lies?

It sucks to be you.
He told the truth. We all lived through it. Why do you damn RW slobs try to change reality when you're cornered.?
Actually, he didn't tell the truth .... and you didn't live thru it. It's just convenient for you to remember history incorrectly. The ability of the left to distort reality, to pervert the truth, and to simply fabricate things remains their only weapon. You look at history thru glasses distorted by shame, and try to justify your position by coloring anything resembling the truth.
Well dayum, son deanrd posted links to support his premise but all I see from you is hot air. Your personal opinion don't mean shyt around here.
 
The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
Utter nonsense. You have no moral character that prevents you from publishing distortion and downright lies?

It sucks to be you.
I have no reason to lie.

5350-1516602930-6280d82716aa9d86816c4a11bfae3aac.jpg
You just don't get it, do you?

You throw all this out there, distort the reality, and then fabricate what you believe the response of Republicans would be. Then, you compound this charade by using your fabrications as proof for other misstatements, distortions, and outright lies.

Must feel like you're standing in quicksand, and the truth is pulling you down.
More hot air from a kool- aid drinker.
 
We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.


President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .
DACA deportations could cost US economy more than $400 billion

Dreamers contribute to our economy

Why would we kick out these key contributors to our economy? The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering. It would cost our economy nearly half a trillion dollars in GDP loss over the next decade. American employers would be harmed, facing $6.3 billion in unnecessary turnover costs to recruit, hire and train more than 700,000 new employees.

Appalachia: The big white ghetto

If the people here weren't 98.5 percent white, we'd call it a reservation.

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Kick them out and we wouldn't have the money or the people to pay for welfare for Republicans.

After all, Republicans are NOT going to get job training or go to school. They just don't. It's to hard and they hate that kind of work.

"The economy" is an abstraction, so when you claim it will cost the economy 'X' amount, you aren't saying anything about how it affects actual people. That fact is that The DACA people consume more than $400 billion in goods and services, so the net result will be positive for native born Americans.

The real cost to employers will be the higher wages they have to pay native born Americans. Of course, you aren't going to come out against higher wages.

The claim that Americans benefit from illegals doesn't pass the laugh test. Every American knows he is being harmed by the presence of low-skill low-wage labor. Anyone who resorts to this "logic" is getting desperate.
 
The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.
The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.
Funny, Republicans passed trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Not only did they grow a previously non existent debt, by the time Obama became president, they had already raped the country and taken away a means to grow revenue. Then the incredibly costly unpaid for wars. And after all their damage to the economy and the world, they had the nerve and the gall to blackmail Obama using the unemployed as hostage the dirtball fukers.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says

And to this day, Republicans blame their failures and their damage to the country on the guy who saved their a$$e$.
These people are dishonest. No wonder they elected a con man as president. They look to evil.
Utter nonsense. You have no moral character that prevents you from publishing distortion and downright lies?

It sucks to be you.
He told the truth. We all lived through it. Why do you damn RW slobs try to change reality when you're cornered.?
Actually, he didn't tell the truth .... and you didn't live thru it. It's just convenient for you to remember history incorrectly. The ability of the left to distort reality, to pervert the truth, and to simply fabricate things remains their only weapon. You look at history thru glasses distorted by shame, and try to justify your position by coloring anything resembling the truth.
Hilarious! And at the time Republicans were so proud they blackmailed the president. They said he caved.
The GOP has no problem screwing over millions of Americans. Look at CHIP and healthcare and their tax cuts for the rich and so on.
 

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