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I think you have your own rampant bias and intellectual dishonesty here.Agree. All that has come out and been substantiated over time. The guy was a piece of crap, no wonder his sister said she did not want a go fund me done for him. But even pieces of crap have rights under the law. None of this was known at the time of the incident. It isnāt up to mobs to execute people and it isnāt up to vigilantes to pass sentence on someone outside the law.Most people realize that a dde who molested five boys, none older than age 11, is, in fect, a pedophile.Most people donāt confuse Molotov cocktails with plastic bags and statutory rape with pedophilia.Ah yes...the fictional Molotov. He is no hero, he is just another killer.He is when he is a Rightwinger.Since when is a murderer a "patriot"?
Self-defense is not murder, as you will soon learn.
When the police did not show up to defend the community against the Molotov bombers, this 17 year old did. A hero, he probably saved lives, and children from the pedophile.
You wanted vigilante justice now you got it, real justice as well. Be happy with it.
The Molotov that was thrown at him is now fictional?
What in the fuck?
You can always guarantee these 3rd worldists who are incapable of living productive life in modern society to back the pedophiles and criminals and root against the Americans and American heroes.
Pre-sentence report...
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The arguments in this case keep evolving.
First, insufficient evidence as to what happened.
Then, claims of Molotov cocktail and self defense.
Then criminal record comes out.
Then killing justified because Rosenbaum is a piece of crap.
The ONLY justification for a civilian killing another is self defense or defense of another. Not to pass judgement of a person and decide he or she is worthy of death.
That is not lawlessheās.
And frankly, makes me wonder if we are going to enter into an era of an eye for an eye of extrajudicial killings.
Rittenhouse killed two, he and his lawyer is getting death threats.
Reinoehl Killed one, his estranged sister and her family are getting death threats.
Two increasingly radicalized ideologies clashing in our cities. No one in leadership toning down the rhetoric.
He wasn't executed. He was killed while trying to murder a 17 year old. His actions placed him in front of that muzzle.
Here you are, finally acknowledging that the guy was a fucking pervert, after defending him for days even after it was WELL documented he was a fucking violent felon, and now, here you are attacking a 17 year old for defending himself and accusing that 17 year old of executing a poor defenceless protester.
It was NOT well documented to begin with. Linking to a state sex offender registry that doesnāt show hIām in it is not well documented.
I donāt know about you, but I really try to make sure of the facts before accusing dead people of serious crimes because the first thing you guys do is immediately try shred the character of the victims. Dead people can not defend themselves. First thing you guys do, every time as if that justifies the killing.
And you still are trying to claim all three were violent felons, when one was only convicted of a misdeamenor (as far as I can find) along the same lines as Kyle, and the other was trying to stop an active shooter (from the perspective he saw at the situation from).
I did not say he executed them. I said killed.
So get this through your skull, the 17 year old has NO prior record, and the THREE people he shot, were ALL convicted felons.
Prior record changes nothing. It has no bearing in and of itself on whether or not you have the right to kill someone. A record does not give the right to kill. ONLY self defense does.
And Kyle CAN make a reasonable for self defense. Likewise a reasonable argument can be made that Huber was trying to take down an active shooter(an action you guys would call heroic if he was on of yours). But Huber is dead. Canāt speak for himself.
On the felon bit. You claim all three are āconvicted felonsā but all I can find on Grosskreutz is having a gun while intoxicated. You have something else?
And you insist on attacking the ONE person in this drama who isn't a CONVICTED FELON.
Are you seriously making an argument that it is ok for a ānon-felonā can go and shoot someone, and get away with it solely because the victim was a felon?
Kyle will likely walk on the most serious charges. Self defense is reasonable with Rosenbaum and Huber. But less so with the guy he wounded, who had his hands in the air and was not pointing the gun at Rittenhouse when Rittenhouse shot him. And he wonāt walk on the charge of illegal possession of a fire arm.
Wake. The. Fuck. Up.
I do not support lawlessness or vigilanteism.
I can't buy the self-defense argument in these circumstances, particularly since Huber and Grosskreutz were trying to take down an active shooter. Poor Mr. Huber tried to do it unarmed. But right-wingers yell "self defense!" every damned time someone other than a right-winger gets shot. This is really getting boring. It totally lacks credibility.
The argument that Rittenhouse was a hero for shooting Rosenbaum because Rosenbaum had a record is totally absurd, since Rittenhouse could not have known of it at the time. To the best of my knowledge, the two did not know each other. One cannot seriously attribute a motive to a shooter who had no knowledge of his victim. The people contending this are complete assholes. There is nothing to suggest that he knew any of the three people he shot.
The Kenosha cops could have prevented this whole thing if they had just done their jobs and cleared the streets. The cops in the armed vehicles had the last clear chance. Talk about cops refusing to protect their city.
I can buy the self defense argument when you try to look at from Rittenhouseās perspective.
Shooting #1...donāt know for sure, let the courts decide that one.
Shooting #2...Huber was trying to disarm him. He had no way of knowing Huberās intentions.
Shooting #3...the guy had a gun, but had his hands in the air, gun pointing up, backing away. The claim is Kyle thought he made a threatening move and shot him.
It is all about perspective, and those who proclaim Kyle a hero Or a villain, are only willing to see ONE perspective. And keep in mind this is a 17 yr old NOT a seasoned adult.
Here is another perspective.
Huber and Grosskreutz (thoroughly demonized and deemed worthy of killing by thr right) .... what was THEIR perspective?
Gunshots.
Someone yelling āhey, that guy shot someoneā and seeing a guy jogging down the street with a gun.
Huber and Grosskreutz trying time take down an active shooter.
If Huber and Grosskreutz were rightwing militants and Kyle a protester...who would would the rabid right label a hero? The villain? They would all over that video of Kyle punching the girl.
It is pretty fucked up frankly. The only real villains are the people who allowed an illegally armed 17 yr old to be in that situation In the first place.
And all the while you ignore the simple fact that the 17 year old was RUNNING AWAY!.
How can you be so blind?
Yes. An active shooter running away. Donāt brave people try to STOP active shooters from escaping?
Or does that depend on the ideologies involved?
An active shooter attacks random people. The 17 year old only shot people ATTACKING HIM.
Your rampant bias and intellectual dishonesty are quite shocking.
As far as anyone could know while this was happening, he was an active shooter. No one knew why he shot anyone, only that he did. From the perception of the people there (many of whom were fleeing and screaming) there was an active shooter. I doubt the dead man who tried to take him down had time to first run around to where the shooting occurred, interview the witness, and review all the videos first.
No one with a brain could come to the conclusion he was an active shooter because HE WASN'T SHOOTING! He only fired the rifle when he was forced to.
For fucks sake there are loads of video that show this to be true.