CDZ Two options...the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse.

[Batcat]

We kill lots of people. They don't kill nearly as many. We should do what they are doing.
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If you lived in a nation with only a few cars you would have a low rate of people killed in car accidents. In the United States there are more guns than people. Considering that fact the rate of gun homicides per 100,000 is quite low.

If you imposed laws such as exist in nations with strong gun control the bad guys would keep their firearms because breaking the law is what bad guys do. Consequently the crime rate in the nation would skyrocket. Home invasions would be far more common as would street muggings. The bad guys would consider their gun free environment a big improvement in their workplace safety.

 

[BULLDOG]

If you lived in a nation with only a few cars you would have a low rate of people killed in car accidents. In the United States there are more guns than people. Considering that fact the rate of gun homicides per 100,000 is quite low.

If you imposed laws such as exist in nations with strong gun control the bad guys would keep their firearms because breaking the law is what bad guys do. Consequently the crime rate in the nation would skyrocket. Home invasions would be far more common as would street muggings. The bad guys would consider their gun free environment a big improvement in their workplace safety.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

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ohh look the number is so small as to be meaningless in the grand scheme of life and death.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

There is no federal database on gun ownership. It's banned by law. I will discuss that with you if that ever changes.

I ask you a question either answer it or admit you are to stupid to breath.

 

[2aguy]

Do current background checks for licensed sellers include registration and fees?

No...because the guns are registered as sold to the gun store and they have to do a background check for each sale, per federal law....

Sales between private individuals wouldn't have that feature...so there would be no way to know if a background check was actually done........and that would require gun registration to know who owned the gun and who the gun was sold to...

So don't try to compare the two....

You know this....as do the rest of the anti-gun extremists....that is why you are pushing for universal background checks even though this is not the way criminals get their guns.....because universal background checks gives you the ability to demand gun registration.......

 

[BULLDOG]

No...because the guns are registered as sold to the gun store and they have to do a background check for each sale, per federal law....

Sales between private individuals wouldn't have that feature...so there would be no way to know if a background check was actually done........and that would require gun registration to know who owned the gun and who the gun was sold to...

So don't try to compare the two....

You know this....as do the rest of the anti-gun extremists....that is why you are pushing for universal background checks even though this is not the way criminals get their guns.....because universal background checks gives you the ability to demand gun registration.......

You'll note that you included requirements that were not included in any proposed legislation.

 

[HaShev]

In Britain and the rest of Europe, their citizens have no Right to protect themselves from violent attack...and the best tool for self defense, guns....has been taken away from most of them, in particular the low income groups.

In the U.S. in most places Americans can opt to use guns for at a minimum home defense, and in a vast majority of the country over 19.4 million Americans can legally carry guns for self defense.

In Britain, in particular.....rapes, brutal beatings, brutal knifings (that result in death or life changing injuries), robberies and murder, essentially have to be endured......and almost any attempt at self defense can land the actual victim in jail and prison.

In the U.S.......Americans can use their legal guns...which they do 1.1 million times a year, to stop rapes, brutal beatings, knifings, robberies and murder.

In our country we had 10,235 gun murders.....of those murders over 70-80% of the victims were criminals murdered by other criminals...they were not normal citizens. Of the rest of the victims, the vast majority are the friends, family and associates of the criminals hit by mistake as the actual criminal was the target.

Guns, again, are used in the U.S. 1.1 million times a year to save lives...from rape, robbery, beatings, knifings and murder.........over 170,000 lives saved by some research..........not to include the crimes stopped that also saved lives....

In the U.K.......victims of crime are majority innocent people......who are preyed upon by the British criminals...

Which model do you prefer?

My model which allows the grade of firearms to progress to match your property tax payments.
Starting at QUALIFYING (strict background/training/secure storage)
low income low property tax areas get to use b.b. guns only, so they can defend, but not offend, since they create the higher crime and gun misuse rates.
Next level qualified get's to use the weakest gun they make that most likely won't kill, like a .22 caliber.
And so on and so on dependent on the notion the more you have to lose the less likely it will be used except in emergency.

 

[2aguy]

You'll note that you included requirements that were not included in any proposed legislation.

The first step is to get universal background checks...you know this. Then, when they don't stop criminals, who ignore all background checks, and mass shooters who pass any background check.....then you will come back and demand gun registration, stating universal background checks can't work if you don't know who has the guns......

You are playing the game....

 

[2aguy]

My model which allows the grade of firearms to progress to match your property tax payments.
Starting at QUALIFYING (strict background/training/secure storage)
low income low property tax areas get to use b.b. guns only, so they can defend, but not offend, since they create the higher crime and gun misuse rates.
Next level qualified get's to use the weakest gun they make that most likely won't kill, like a .22 caliber.
And so on and so on dependent on the notion the more you have to lose the less likely it will be used except in emergency.

Yeah....no.

 

[BULLDOG]

The first step is to get universal background checks...you know this. Then, when they don't stop criminals, who ignore all background checks, and mass shooters who pass any background check.....then you will come back and demand gun registration, stating universal background checks can't work if you don't know who has the guns......

You are playing the game....

Really? And who told you that is what I want to do?

 

[2aguy]

Really? And who told you that is what I want to do?

You have by refusing to answer the simple question.....

Background checks without registration? Yes or no?

Background checks that can be done by anyone, at anytime, on a simple app without fees. yes or no?

 

[BULLDOG]

You have by refusing to answer the simple question.....

Background checks without registration? Yes or no?

Background checks that can be done by anyone, at anytime, on a simple app without fees. yes or no?

I've answered your question dumb ass.

 

[2aguy]

I've answered your question dumb ass.

No, actually, you haven't........you keep dodging them...all of them....

 

[2aguy]

I've answered your question dumb ass.

This is the CDZ....watch the language.

 

[M14 Shooter]

If you do not have the right to defend yourself, you have no other rights.

 

[M14 Shooter]

My model which allows the grade of firearms to progress to match your property tax payments.
Starting at QUALIFYING (strict background/training/secure storage)
low income low property tax areas get to use b.b. guns only, so they can defend, but not offend, since they create the higher crime and gun misuse rates.
Next level qualified get's to use the weakest gun they make that most likely won't kill, like a .22 caliber.
And so on and so on dependent on the notion the more you have to lose the less likely it will be used except in emergency.

"Shall not be infringed".

 

[Batcat]

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Does the United Kingdom have more guns than citizens as in the United States?

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United Kingdom is

2017: 3,260,6091

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United States, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development

www.gunpolicy.org

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United States is 265,000,0001 2 to 393,347,0003

 

[HaShev]

"Shall not be infringed".

Their rights to protect themselves are not infringed, their right to kill people are.
Have you not seen "A Christmas Story" a couple thousand times? You can poke an eye out with one of those bb guns. *L*

 

[2aguy]

I've explained why that is wrong countless times. You seem to be incapable of understanding rational thought.

Here....more reasons why you really don't understand the issue...

Does the punishment fit the crime for a Florida man who pled guilty to stealing 13 firearms from an Alabama gun store? 30-year old Tevin Michael Coffman admitted to stealing at least one gun, as well as possessing stolen firearms, and doing so while being barred from possessing any firearm or ammunition thanks to a felony conviction. In exchange for his guilty plea, federal prosecutors offered Coffman quite a deal, and now he’ll be spending about six months in federal prison for every stolen firearm found in his possession.

Despite being caught in a stolen RV with more than a dozen stolen firearms inside, Coffman was offered a plea deal from prosecutors, and he would have been an idiot not to take it given the evidence against him. If the case had gone to trial, it’s possible (however unlikely) that Coffman could have been sentenced to ten years on each charge, and if he’d been forced to serve his sentences consecutively, he easily may have spent decades behind bars.

Instead, with the plea bargain firmly in hand, Coffman was sentenced by a federal judge to 72 months in prison.

The plea deal reflects an aspect of the gun control debate that most anti-gun activists would prefer to gloss over; even those prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm are often given comparatively light sentences for their crimes.

Heck, just a few days before Coffman received a six year prison sentence, a Texas man received an even shorter sentence for his role in the burglary of a Mississippi gun store.
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Heck, just a few days before Coffman received a six year prison sentence, a Texas man received an even shorter sentence for his role in the burglary of a Mississippi gun store.

An armed robbery and a physical assault resulting in the theft of more than two dozen guns (not to mention nearly $50,000 in jewelry), and the stiffest sentence any of the five suspects received was just a little more than 7 years in federal prison.

Biden DOJ Offering Sweetheart Deals To Gun Thieves

bearingarms.com

And this is what the anti-gunners really want.......they want to put normal gun owners in prison...they don't care about actual criminals...

Keep in mind that Joe Biden’s plan to ban AR-15s and other modern sporting rifles comes with a potential 10-year federal prison sentence for those Americans who don’t hand over their guns to the government or register them with the ATF under the National Firearms Act. If the president had his way, legal gun owners would spend more time behind bars for maintaining possession of their AR-15 than previously convicted felons are facing for stealing dozens of guns during an armed robbery.

 

[Jarlaxle]

We have background checks for licensed dealers now. No reason we can't have the same type background checks for individual sellers. You just want to make sure crooks can easily get all the guns they want without a background check.

Without universal registration, any attempt at requiring checks on private sales is futile.