Two Proud Gun Nuts Second-Amendment Each Other To Death In Road Rage Incident

[candycorn]

Thank god they were both good shots. Being prepared has paid off once again.

It's a humorous thread but let's keep in mind that a man was gunned down at a car wash in front of his wife and mother. Who else saw it? Dunno. Is this the nation we want?

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

More guns more guns more guns!!

Two men are dead in Ionia, Michigan after a road rage incident escalated into a shootout Wednesday. Police say that James Pullum, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 apparently argued after Taylor became enraged over something that occurred while driving though the details are not clear as to exactly what precipitated the incident.

Both men had concealed carry permits and were legally carrying their weapons.

Two Proud Gun Nuts Second-Amendment Each Other To Death In Road Rage Incident Americans Against the Tea Party

Lol, great headline, you gotta love Yanks and their gun craze, they provide endless fun stories tgat cheer the world up.

Keep up the good news

 

[IsaacNewton]

Thank god they were both good shots. Being prepared has paid off once again.

It's a humorous thread but let's keep in mind that a man was gunned down at a car wash in front of his wife and mother. Who else saw it? Dunno. Is this the nation we want?

No and that is the point. But getting through to people that sleep with their guns because they are terrified of life isn't going to happen. Fear trumps all other emotions and they live on emotion.

In reality of course it is tragic, every shooting is tragic. Because of the fear of a minority the majority of the population has to live in this type of nation. Again, their fear trumps all else.

 

[danielpalos]

Would this have occurred, if militia chics could simply tell them to come over and muster to become more well regulated?

 

[2aguy]

Sounds like the wild wild west, its a draw. Road rage is becoming rampant it seems. One never knows when a wacko is going to draw a gun on you. Really I don't know why anyone but a crook would carry a gun, and then it should be illegal. I am anti guns.

Step one. The NRA manipulates a bunch of half-wits into believing a big bad black liberal is going to take their guns away from them.
Step two. The half-wits stock up on guns, ammo, and anything that will inflict bodily harm.
Step three. The "jackbooted thugs" never show up
Step four. So these half-wits now have the same deficit of brain cells and are armed to the teeth.
Step five. Any breech of redneck etiquette is a reason to get upset and since they have all of these guns and bullets laying around; the results are easy to predict.

In the United States gun are used on average 2 million times a year to stop or prevent violent criminal attack.
.

Bear faced lie.
That is over 5,000 times a day.
Most people reading this have never done anything of the sort, know anyone who has done anything of the sort, or know anyone who knows anyone who has ever done anything of the sort.

If it were true 1/2 the time, every nightly news cast, every news paper, every hourly radio news cast would be filled with stories about it. Instead, you may get one or two stories per week.

These are the facts and they are not in dispute.

I guess you didn't look into the actual studies listed......the one by the Bill Clinton Department of Justice...not a gun rights study, was designed and led by 2 rabid anti gunners.....what did they find?

The bill Clinton ordered gun study found that law,abiding Americans use guns 1.5 million time a year to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives........that isn't the NRA...and it isn't me saying that...and if you actually look at the list of studies.....more than a few are from anti gun sources....


They found the numbers using actual research techniques........like it or not, guns are used far more often to stop crime than to cause crime...


and there are fewer gun murders today as more Americans own and carry guns....

You guys are shown to be wrong in everything you say about guns......and you can't stand that can you?

 

[2aguy]

Thank god they were both good shots. Being prepared has paid off once again.

It's a humorous thread but let's keep in mind that a man was gunned down at a car wash in front of his wife and mother. Who else saw it? Dunno. Is this the nation we want?

No and that is the point. But getting through to people that sleep with their guns because they are terrified of life isn't going to happen. Fear trumps all other emotions and they live on emotion.

In reality of course it is tragic, every shooting is tragic. Because of the fear of a minority the majority of the population has to live in this type of nation. Again, their fear trumps all else.

You are a stupid person.....your policies and beliefs have created the hell holes where the murders occur....democrat cities that breed gangs and drug dealers....that is where the majority of gun murders take place....and none of your ideas will do one thing to stop crimes with guns or mass shootings......

 

[2aguy]

Wow, thats 3...perhaps you can crowd source the other 5,000+ and do the same tomorrow...and the next day....and the next day....and the next day....and the next day...

Your stat guys...

According to your standards......post to all the gun murders in the country...that should be easy since they always get some coverage...and if you can't...then I guess those gun murders didn't happen...right?


You anti gun extremists think you are so clever.......most defensive uses of guns never require actually supporting people, and never make the news....only the ones you can catch on video, or have some other interesting new twist...


there are gun murders in democrat cities every day....but because it is blacks killing blacks they don't get covered....are those shootings fake too? since they don't make the nightly news?


You guys have no grasp of the truth, reality or right and wrong....and forget about understanding good and evil......

 

[2aguy]

More guns more guns more guns!!

Two men are dead in Ionia, Michigan after a road rage incident escalated into a shootout Wednesday. Police say that James Pullum, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 apparently argued after Taylor became enraged over something that occurred while driving though the details are not clear as to exactly what precipitated the incident.

Both men had concealed carry permits and were legally carrying their weapons.

Two Proud Gun Nuts Second-Amendment Each Other To Death In Road Rage Incident Americans Against the Tea Party

This is from 2013 but I investigated it anyway. Taylor was a known belligerent drunk and should have had his CCW taken away years before. In fact he should never have gotten it in the first place. However, he seems to have had friends in law enforcement who smoothed the way for him. This is more a case of official corruption than two 2nd amendment type nut cases going at it. One guy was a good guy who defended himself. The other was a known prick with friends in law enforcement.

Westwall...Westwall...there you go pointing out the truth and wrecking this anti gun rights thread.........sure....these anti gun rights threads never have truth in them....but do you have to point that out?

 

[2aguy]

More guns more guns more guns!!

Two men are dead in Ionia, Michigan after a road rage incident escalated into a shootout Wednesday. Police say that James Pullum, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 apparently argued after Taylor became enraged over something that occurred while driving though the details are not clear as to exactly what precipitated the incident.

Both men had concealed carry permits and were legally carrying their weapons.

Two Proud Gun Nuts Second-Amendment Each Other To Death In Road Rage Incident Americans Against the Tea Party

Lol, great headline, you gotta love Yanks and their gun craze, they provide endless fun stories tgat cheer the world up.

Keep up the good news

Yes...and the history channel provides endless humor as we watch you Europeans March innocent people into death camps......you know....about 12 million of them.......you Europeans and your mass murder....endless fun....

 

[2aguy]

More guns more guns more guns!!

Two men are dead in Ionia, Michigan after a road rage incident escalated into a shootout Wednesday. Police say that James Pullum, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 apparently argued after Taylor became enraged over something that occurred while driving though the details are not clear as to exactly what precipitated the incident.

Both men had concealed carry permits and were legally carrying their weapons.

Two Proud Gun Nuts Second-Amendment Each Other To Death In Road Rage Incident Americans Against the Tea Party

Lol, great headline, you gotta love Yanks and their gun craze, they provide endless fun stories tgat cheer the world up.

Keep up the good news

and another funny one...when you European types sat on your hands in Rwanda.....you know...when you let one faction there machete to death 800,000 innocent men, women and children.......you guys were hilarious when you did that.....now that was some fun...as your troops watched it happen and did nothing.....the really funny part...you specifically went there to stop it from happening....and then just sat there and watched it happen......great fun...Right?

 

[2aguy]

Thank god they were both good shots. Being prepared has paid off once again.

It's a humorous thread but let's keep in mind that a man was gunned down at a car wash in front of his wife and mother. Who else saw it? Dunno. Is this the nation we want?

No..you guys want a nation more like Mexico...where government agents and drug cartels can murder innocent people at will....with an unarmed population completely at their mercy....

Or like Britain....where the law abiding are ordered to not resist attackers.......where the victim will be,arrested if they use any method to defend themselves that results in injury to whatever violent sociopath targets them...

that is the country you want...

You want a country that will ship off it's citizens to death camps....rather than resist....like the whole of Europe did....

that is the country you want......

 

[Brain357]

Sounds like the wild wild west, its a draw. Road rage is becoming rampant it seems. One never knows when a wacko is going to draw a gun on you. Really I don't know why anyone but a crook would carry a gun, and then it should be illegal. I am anti guns.

In answer to your question...people carry guns for self defense...here is why....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use A Methodological Experiment - Springer




Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

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And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

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So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

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http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/
In Orlando, Florida, in 1966 a series of brutal rapes swept the
community. Citizens reacted to the tripling in the rate of rape
over the previous year by buying handguns for self-defense; 200-300
firearms were being purchased each week from dealers, and an unknown
number more from private parties. The newspaper there, the _Orlando
Sentinel Star_, had an anti-gun editorial stance and tried to pressure
the local police chief and city government to stop the flow of arms.
When that tactic failed, the paper decided that in the interest of
public safety, they would sponsor a gun-training seminar in conjunction
with the local police. Plans were made for a one-day training course at
a local city park.

Plans were made for an expected 400-500 women.

However,more than 2500 women arrived, and brought with them every conceivable
kind of firearm.

They had to park many blocks away, and the weapons
were carried in in purses, paper bags, boxes, briefcases, holsters,
and womens' hands. One police officer present said he'd never been so
scared in his life. [It must have been quite a sight! ]
Swamped, the organizers hastily dismissed the women with promises for
a more thorough course with scheduled appointments. The course offered
was for three classes/week, and within 6 months, the Orlando police had
trained more than 6000 women in basic pistol marksmanship and the law
of self-defense.
The results?
In 1966 there were 36 rapes in Orlando, triple the 1965 rate. In 1967,
there were 4.
Before the training, rape rates had been increasing in
Orlando as nationwide.
5 years after the training, rape was still
below pre-training levels in Orlando, but up 308% in the surrounding
areas, 96% for Florida overall, and 64% nationally.
Also in 1967, violent assault and burglary decreased by 25% in Orlando,
in addition to the rape reductions.
In 1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD FIRED HER WEAPON in self-defense. In
1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD TURNED HER GUN ON HER HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND.
(No data are available for later years.)
The reason the program worked so spectacularly well is that it was
widely known that Orlando women had the means and training to defend
themselves from attackers. Rapists, being (somewhat) human, they are
learning engines; they took their business elsewhere--to the detriment
of the defenseless in those other locations.
Department of Justice victim studies show that overall, when rape is
attempted, the completion rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself
with a gun, the completion rate drops to 3%.

And for 19.95 you can read Southwick's 2000 study on guns that talk about rape.....

Self-defense with guns The consequences

This one gives the actual percentages of how rapes are stopped...guns come out on top...

http://medind.nic.in/jal/t07/i4/jalt07i4p99.pdf

Here is Clinton's actual gun study...the number of 1.5 million is on page 9
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Notice how old they all are, crime is down 30% since the newest ones. Notice how varied the results are, 700k to 3.6 million? That alone proves how inaccurate they are. If they were accurate they would arrive at a similar number. The ncvs did a much larger survey and arrived at 108k. That isn't included by 2a cause the result is too small.

They are actual studies on guns used for self defense, then you have the studies on raper prevention that specifically show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....studies done by actual researchers over 40 years...and not one of them puts the number at less than 764,000 times a year where guns are used to stop or prevent violent criminals...

And what does the daily kos say about the National Crime Victimization survey, which is not a study on gun self defense...

The Daily Kos on why the NCVS is wrong...
Defensive Gun Use Part III - The National Crime Victimization Study

The disadvantages of this study design are:
1) the study is not specifically designed to measure DGUs;

2) the study does not track every type of crime;

3) the study does not ask every interviewee about episodes of DGU;

4) interviewees are not specifically asked about defending themselves with a gun;

5) follow-up studies have demonstrated that the incidence of assault (and especially assaults by relatives and non-strangers) in the NCVS is under-reported, and if crime is under-reported then so too will DGUs be under-reported;

6) respondents’ anonymity is not preserved, and some interviewees may therefore feel wary or unwilling to discuss gun use with federal government employees.

Show how your 2 million is mathematically possible based on gun ownership and crime rates. So far you have failed to.

 

[Brain357]

Sounds like the wild wild west, its a draw. Road rage is becoming rampant it seems. One never knows when a wacko is going to draw a gun on you. Really I don't know why anyone but a crook would carry a gun, and then it should be illegal. I am anti guns.

Step one. The NRA manipulates a bunch of half-wits into believing a big bad black liberal is going to take their guns away from them.
Step two. The half-wits stock up on guns, ammo, and anything that will inflict bodily harm.
Step three. The "jackbooted thugs" never show up
Step four. So these half-wits now have the same deficit of brain cells and are armed to the teeth.
Step five. Any breech of redneck etiquette is a reason to get upset and since they have all of these guns and bullets laying around; the results are easy to predict.

In the United States gun are used on average 2 million times a year to stop or prevent violent criminal attack.
.

Bear faced lie.
That is over 5,000 times a day.
Most people reading this have never done anything of the sort, know anyone who has done anything of the sort, or know anyone who knows anyone who has ever done anything of the sort.

If it were true 1/2 the time, every nightly news cast, every news paper, every hourly radio news cast would be filled with stories about it. Instead, you may get one or two stories per week.

These are the facts and they are not in dispute.

I guess you didn't look into the actual studies listed......the one by the Bill Clinton Department of Justice...not a gun rights study, was designed and led by 2 rabid anti gunners.....what did they find?

The bill Clinton ordered gun study found that law,abiding Americans use guns 1.5 million time a year to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives........that isn't the NRA...and it isn't me saying that...and if you actually look at the list of studies.....more than a few are from anti gun sources....


They found the numbers using actual research techniques........like it or not, guns are used far more often to stop crime than to cause crime...


and there are fewer gun murders today as more Americans own and carry guns....

You guys are shown to be wrong in everything you say about guns......and you can't stand that can you?

1.5 million when the study was done is only 1 million in today's numbers. That's half the number you constantly claim.

 

[Brain357]

More guns more guns more guns!!

Two men are dead in Ionia, Michigan after a road rage incident escalated into a shootout Wednesday. Police say that James Pullum, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 apparently argued after Taylor became enraged over something that occurred while driving though the details are not clear as to exactly what precipitated the incident.

Both men had concealed carry permits and were legally carrying their weapons.

Two Proud Gun Nuts Second-Amendment Each Other To Death In Road Rage Incident Americans Against the Tea Party

Lol, great headline, you gotta love Yanks and their gun craze, they provide endless fun stories tgat cheer the world up.

Keep up the good news

Yes...and the history channel provides endless humor as we watch you Europeans March innocent people into death camps......you know....about 12 million of them.......you Europeans and your mass murder....endless fun....

How many times have they mass murdered and when was the last time?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Sounds like the wild wild west, its a draw. Road rage is becoming rampant it seems. One never knows when a wacko is going to draw a gun on you. Really I don't know why anyone but a crook would carry a gun, and then it should be illegal. I am anti guns.

Why? What have guns ever done to you?

 

[IsaacNewton]

Thank god they were both good shots. Being prepared has paid off once again.

It's a humorous thread but let's keep in mind that a man was gunned down at a car wash in front of his wife and mother. Who else saw it? Dunno. Is this the nation we want?

No and that is the point. But getting through to people that sleep with their guns because they are terrified of life isn't going to happen. Fear trumps all other emotions and they live on emotion.

In reality of course it is tragic, every shooting is tragic. Because of the fear of a minority the majority of the population has to live in this type of nation. Again, their fear trumps all else.

You are a stupid person.....your policies and beliefs have created the hell holes where the murders occur....democrat cities that breed gangs and drug dealers....that is where the majority of gun murders take place....and none of your ideas will do one thing to stop crimes with guns or mass shootings......

You are embarrassing yourself.

Cities in red states are rife with murders dope. What Pollyanna world do you live in? You're one of these people that needs everything you believe to be good and dripping with honey and everyone you don't like is evil and the son of the devil.

You don't live in reality. 65 million school age children go about their lives every day without a gun and they don't walk around as terrified as so called 'adult' gun lickers are. You are afraid, fine. Just don't project that out onto the rest of society. Its in your head, keep it there.

 

[candycorn]

Thank god they were both good shots. Being prepared has paid off once again.

It's a humorous thread but let's keep in mind that a man was gunned down at a car wash in front of his wife and mother. Who else saw it? Dunno. Is this the nation we want?

No and that is the point. But getting through to people that sleep with their guns because they are terrified of life isn't going to happen. Fear trumps all other emotions and they live on emotion.

In reality of course it is tragic, every shooting is tragic. Because of the fear of a minority the majority of the population has to live in this type of nation. Again, their fear trumps all else.

You are a stupid person.....your policies and beliefs have created the hell holes where the murders occur....democrat cities that breed gangs and drug dealers....that is where the majority of gun murders take place....and none of your ideas will do one thing to stop crimes with guns or mass shootings......

You are embarrassing yourself.

Cities in red states are rife with murders dope. What Pollyanna world do you live in? You're one of these people that needs everything you believe to be good and dripping with honey and everyone you don't like is evil and the son of the devil.

You don't live in reality. 65 million school age children go about their lives every day without a gun and they don't walk around as terrified as so called 'adult' gun lickers are. You are afraid, fine. Just don't project that out onto the rest of society. Its in your head, keep it there.

Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie are only responsible for the good things, not bad things. Their state's "hell holes" are not of their concern...unless they have net-job gains and then it's brilliant leadership from the State House.

You've got to learn to lie to yourself like a conservative to be able to talk to them.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Thank god they were both good shots. Being prepared has paid off once again.

It's a humorous thread but let's keep in mind that a man was gunned down at a car wash in front of his wife and mother. Who else saw it? Dunno. Is this the nation we want?

No and that is the point. But getting through to people that sleep with their guns because they are terrified of life isn't going to happen. Fear trumps all other emotions and they live on emotion.

In reality of course it is tragic, every shooting is tragic. Because of the fear of a minority the majority of the population has to live in this type of nation. Again, their fear trumps all else.

You are a stupid person.....your policies and beliefs have created the hell holes where the murders occur....democrat cities that breed gangs and drug dealers....that is where the majority of gun murders take place....and none of your ideas will do one thing to stop crimes with guns or mass shootings......

You are embarrassing yourself.

Cities in red states are rife with murders dope. What Pollyanna world do you live in? You're one of these people that needs everything you believe to be good and dripping with honey and everyone you don't like is evil and the son of the devil.

You don't live in reality. 65 million school age children go about their lives every day without a gun and they don't walk around as terrified as so called 'adult' gun lickers are. You are afraid, fine. Just don't project that out onto the rest of society. Its in your head, keep it there.

Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie are only responsible for the good things, not bad things. Their state's "hell holes" are not of their concern...unless they have net-job gains and then it's brilliant leadership from the State House.

You've got to learn to lie to yourself like a conservative to be able to talk to them.

They have this bizarre paradigm where everything they believe is good, and perfect, and always right and everyone else is pure evil from hell. It is self-delusion to a stunning degree.

 

[candycorn]

Wow, thats 3...perhaps you can crowd source the other 5,000+ and do the same tomorrow...and the next day....and the next day....and the next day....and the next day...

Your stat guys...

According to your standards......post to all the gun murders in the country...that should be easy since they always get some coverage...and if you can't...then I guess those gun murders didn't happen...right?


You anti gun extremists think you are so clever.......most defensive uses of guns never require actually supporting people, and never make the news....only the ones you can catch on video, or have some other interesting new twist...


there are gun murders in democrat cities every day....but because it is blacks killing blacks they don't get covered....are those shootings fake too? since they don't make the nightly news?


You guys have no grasp of the truth, reality or right and wrong....and forget about understanding good and evil......

Ahh...most "uses" of guns don't require guns or "actually supporting people"--whatever the hell that means.

I think we can see where the great disconnect between the lied about statistic and reality are. You lie, then you try to say, "well, I didn't mean they actually used the guns" You're simply a liar and each time you deny it, you look more desperate. I've debated this topic a number of times--almost nobody would try to cling to such an outrageous stat but then again, you're not that intelligent or mature and likely think a gun somehow makes up for your lack of manhood.

As for the news reports. Again, most reading this have never stopped a crime (much less a violet crime as you insist happens 5,000+ times a day--every day), most reading this know of no one who has and most reading this know of nobody who knows any one who knows of someone who has (if you remove combat situations where armies were involved).

Yet I would wager that many here (if not most) are aware of someone who was shot and injured or killed with guns either accidentally or as a victim of crime.

Again, we have thousands of deaths in this nation every year. In Eurpoe they have hundreds in comparison. They have the same movies, same books, same TV shows, same violent video games, etc... The only difference is that we have a 2nd Amendment that allows half wits to buy as many guns as they can afford with predictable results. In Europe, access to weaponry is tightly controlled and their half wits are not able to acquire weapons as easily and they get predictable results too; fewer gun deaths.

 

[2aguy]

Thank god they were both good shots. Being prepared has paid off once again.

It's a humorous thread but let's keep in mind that a man was gunned down at a car wash in front of his wife and mother. Who else saw it? Dunno. Is this the nation we want?

No and that is the point. But getting through to people that sleep with their guns because they are terrified of life isn't going to happen. Fear trumps all other emotions and they live on emotion.

In reality of course it is tragic, every shooting is tragic. Because of the fear of a minority the majority of the population has to live in this type of nation. Again, their fear trumps all else.

You are a stupid person.....your policies and beliefs have created the hell holes where the murders occur....democrat cities that breed gangs and drug dealers....that is where the majority of gun murders take place....and none of your ideas will do one thing to stop crimes with guns or mass shootings......

You are embarrassing yourself.

Cities in red states are rife with murders dope. What Pollyanna world do you live in? You're one of these people that needs everything you believe to be good and dripping with honey and everyone you don't like is evil and the son of the devil.

You don't live in reality. 65 million school age children go about their lives every day without a gun and they don't walk around as terrified as so called 'adult' gun lickers are. You are afraid, fine. Just don't project that out onto the rest of society. Its in your head, keep it there.

You do realize that those cities are usually controlled by democrats...right? Tennessee...a red state, it's six largest cities are run by democrats...dittos Louisiana, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge, which make the top 25 most violent cities, run by democrats for decades........

You don't know these urban hell holes created by democrats...in the small, multiblock areas that are run by gangs, the children are afraid of gun fire from gangs created by democrat social and law enforcement policies.....

The only ones afraid of guns are you anti gun extremists...if you actually focused on criminals instead of gun owners you would actually cut down on gun murders...

Which, by the way, are going down.....as more Americans own and carry guns...

How do you explain that?