U.S. attorney reviewing classified documents from Joe Biden's vice presidency found at Biden think tank

[postman]

I wasn’t wrong at all. You have to read all the words in a sentence.

Since you appear incapable of grasping such things as modifiers and qualifications, it is pointless to try to educate you.

You said that "as a general rule" objection to search warrants occur after the person is criminally charged.

That is NOT a rule. Objections can be made at any time after the issuance of the search warrant, which has been done in this and other cases.

And the result of those objections, is their objections were thrown out, leaving the warrant, and the underlying grounds, and ruling intant. Which validates the original warrant, and the judge who issued it.

 

[postman]

If the applicant for a search warrant lies, judges may sign search warrants. The mere fact that any magistrate signed a warrant, standing alone, is not a convincing argument.

The fact that upon motion to vacate or modify the search warrant, the warrant was upheld in it's entirety, is however a convincing argument.

Because the warrant survived the test of judicial review.

 

[BackAgain]

You said that "as a general rule" objection to search warrants occur after the person is criminally charged.

You’re catching on. Slowly. But incremental education is still education.

That is NOT a rule.

It is, in reality, the general rule. By and large and far and away, if a defendant has had evidence obtained against him via a search warrant, that defendant once formally charged gets a chance to controvert the search warrant. I didn’t say that there are some circumstances outside of the general rule.

Objections can be made at any time after the issuance of the search warrant, which has been done in this and other cases.

In some cases, the law explicitly grants the person who has been impacted by the search a right to challenge it. This is in fact what President Trump attempted. But the fact that it CAN happen doesn’t negate what I posted. As a general rule, the matters get litigated after indictment (on felonies) and prior to trial.

And the result of those objections, is their objections were thrown out, leaving the warrant, and the underlying grounds, and ruling intant. Which validates the original warrant, and the judge who issued it.

You probably don’t understand that you are in babble mode.

I didn’t ask what happened in the example of President Trump’s effort to challenge the search warrant.

It almost seems that you are so ignorant that you assume that the Trump legal team cannot challenge the validity of the search warrant if and when the Brandon administration’s DOJ indicts President Trump

 

[BackAgain]

The fact that upon motion to vacate or modify the search warrant, the warrant was upheld in it's entirety, is however a convincing argument.

Wrong again. You are wrong an awful lot.

At the pre-trial level, if a defendant moves to controvert a search warrant but the judge ultimately denies the defendant such a ruling, then that becomes the law of the case at the trial level. Therefore, at trial, the seized evidence is admissible. If the defendant is then convicted, he can appeal. If a higher court reverses the trial judge’s decision on the motion to controvert, the entire conviction is likely to be reversed.

Because the warrant survived the test of judicial review.

At a pre-trial and trial level. Sure. See prior paragraph. But in the case of the Mar A Lago search warrant, there is no such ruling yet. And the reason is because President Trump hasn’t been charged with anything in that matter, yet.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

trump wasn’t ignoring it, he was objecting to it.

xiden was hiding these top secret documents for 6 years…how could anyone issue a one????

subpoenas

 

[airplanemechanic]

Okay sure right after Trump. Fair?

Trump could take any documents he wanted to. He was PRESIDENT.

Joe Shmoe was VICE PRESIDENT. He had NO AUTHORIZATION to remove classified documents.

Thus Joe committed an actual crime. Why the classified documents in the closet, Joe?

Remember, Joe said ON CAMERA back in September how he had no idea how someone could be so irresponsible with classified information as to do what Trump did.

Well, fear not, we always have Joe the idiot to show people just how irresponsible one can really be.

 

[postman]

I didn’t ask what happened in the example of President Trump’s effort to challenge the search warrant.

Yet they are prime examples upholding the validity of the search warrant.

If the applicant for a search warrant lies, judges may sign search warrants. The mere fact that any magistrate signed a warrant, standing alone, is not a convincing argument.

And as I pointed out by example. Those, and similar warrants, were repeatedly upheld after undergoing judicial scrutiny.

There are cases with the opposite result, like in the case of the Breena Taylor search warrant

 

[postman]

Trump could take any documents he wanted to. He was PRESIDENT.

Joe Shmoe was VICE PRESIDENT. He had NO AUTHORIZATION to remove classified documents.

Thus Joe committed an actual crime.

The Vice President has the same constitutionally derived security clearance as the President of the United States.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

we need raids of the building…we have no idea if they are more…what’s more troubling is the years he sent covering this up..trump responded to the NA right away.

moronic

 

[airplanemechanic]

The Vice President has the same constitutionally derived security clearance as the President of the United States.

WRONG. The VP does NOT have any authority to declassify documents. So he had no authority to bring them to his "think tank."

Nobody said he couldn't VIEW the documents. We said he could not REMOVE THEM AND KEEP THEM.

Oh yea, the real kicker, the DOJ discovered these documents Nov 1st of last year, right before the midterms. But of course being in the tank for Biden, they kept it hush hush until well after the election. Nah, no collusion to see here....

 

[BackAgain]

Yet they are prime examples upholding the validity of the search warrant.

Which cases are prime examples? Yiur incoherence is showing.

And as I pointed out by example. Those, and similar warrants, were repeatedly upheld after undergoing judicial scrutiny.

You are a lot less than clear. Once again, i positives a general rule. It is the general rule. I didn’t claim it was universal, obviously. And anytime there is a motion to controvert a search warrant which gets denied by a judge, the presumed validity of the warrant remains intact.

There are cases with the opposite result, like in the case of the Breena Taylor search warrant

Zzz.

 

[postman]

Wrong again. You are wrong an awful lot.

At a pre-trial and trial level. Sure. See prior paragraph. But in the case of the Mar A Lago search warrant, there is no such ruling yet. And the reason is because President Trump hasn’t been charged with anything in that matter, yet.

Didn't you read the opinion of the court of appeals?

Appeals court vacates order appointing Trump Mar-a-Lago search warrant watchdog

Donald Trump is under criminal investigation by the Department of Justice for his removal of documents from the White House to his Mar-a-Lago residence.

www.cnbc.com

Appeals court vacates order appointing Trump Mar-a-Lago search warrant watchdog.

U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ... All three judges on the panel were put there by Republican presidents. Trump appointed Britt Grant and Andrew Brasher, while Chief Judge Bill Pryor was appointed by George W. Bush.

“The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant,” the panel wrote.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Didn't you read the opinion of the court of appeals?

Appeals court vacates order appointing Trump Mar-a-Lago search warrant watchdog

Donald Trump is under criminal investigation by the Department of Justice for his removal of documents from the White House to his Mar-a-Lago residence.

www.cnbc.com

Appeals court vacates order appointing Trump Mar-a-Lago search warrant watchdog.

U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ... All three judges on the panel were put there by Republican presidents. Trump appointed Britt Grant and Andrew Brasher, while Chief Judge Bill Pryor was appointed by George W. Bush.

“The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant,” the panel wrote.

Where is the warrant for Biden? Or do only republican presidents suspected of mishandling classified documents get those? Democrat presidents suspected of mishandling the same documents get treated with kid gloves.

 

[postman]

WRONG. The VP does NOT have any authority to declassify documents. So he had no authority to bring them to his "think tank."

You seem to have the matters confused. The Vice President did not "declassify" anything. They remained classified, and he was in proper possession of that material under his constitutional authority as Vice President, while serving as vice president.

It then becomes the responsibility of the President of the United States, under the Presidential Records Act 1974, to properly dispose of all the presidential, vice presidential and executive documents created during his term in office.

 

[airplanemechanic]

You seem to have the matters confused. The Vice President did not "declassify" anything. They remained classified, and he was in proper possession of that material under his constitutional authority as Vice President, while serving as vice president.

It then becomes the responsibility of the President of the United States, under the Presidential Records Act 1974, to properly dispose of all the presidential, vice presidential and executive documents created during his term in office.

That's right, he didn't declassify them, SO HE SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. Because for 4 years, he wasn't VP and wasn't president. So he illegally possessed top secret classified information.

Top secret classified documents hidden in a closet at his private "think tank" were "in proper possession?" Are you really that fucking stupid or are you just fucking with us? You can't be that fucking stupid.

 

[Billy000]

it means working with them…turning over things, allowing them to inspect

the opposite of xiden who was hiding them

Lol you are so full of shit. They didn’t “inspect” them until after the FBI raid. Why the fuck would the FBI raid his home if they were about to be returned. You’re just making shit up. It does not take a fucking year to hand over documents. Tell me why did Trump take them to his home to begin with if he had the intention of returning them? Nothing you’re saying makes any goddamn sense.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

WRONG. The VP does NOT have any authority to declassify documents. So he had no authority to bring them to his "think tank."

Nobody said he couldn't VIEW the documents. We said he could not REMOVE THEM AND KEEP THEM.

Oh yea, the real kicker, the DOJ discovered these documents Nov 1st of last year, right before the midterms. But of course being in the tank for Biden, they kept it hush hush until well after the election. Nah, no collusion to see here....

As President now he can declassify it by just thinking about it and grant himself and his whole family blanket pardons

 

[Billy000]

Trump could take any documents he wanted to. He was PRESIDENT.

Joe Shmoe was VICE PRESIDENT. He had NO AUTHORIZATION to remove classified documents.

Thus Joe committed an actual crime. Why the classified documents in the closet, Joe?

Remember, Joe said ON CAMERA back in September how he had no idea how someone could be so irresponsible with classified information as to do what Trump did.

Well, fear not, we always have Joe the idiot to show people just how irresponsible one can really be.

Uh well he had them AFTER he was done being president that doesn’t make any goddmamn sense.

If Joe was not allowed to have those documents, he wouldn’t have gotten them to begin with.

 

[airplanemechanic]

As President now he can declassify it by just thinking about it and grant himself and his whole family blanket pardons

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Yes, but the crime has already been committed.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Where is the warrant for Biden? Or do only republican presidents suspected of mishandling classified documents get those? Democrat presidents suspected of mishandling the same documents get treated with kid gloves.

Why does anyone need a warrant? We know why the FBI got a warrant for Trump