U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases

[g5000]

Mandatory background checks went into effect in 1993.

 

[g5000]

What we are basically hearing from the morons is that because that chart didn't drop to 0.0 firearm homicides, the law is ineffective.

 

[Lakhota]

Mapping How Guns Get Around Despite Background Check Laws

A new study shows 40 percent of gun owners get them without a background check—even in states that require them.

Gun-control advocates often cite that 40 percent of guns have been obtained by people without a background check. That stat is often attacked, however, for being produced from a small sample size of survey respondents (251) and published in an aged report from the early 1990s. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) doesn’t do the best job of tracking gun figures like this, but Harvard University researchers have.

In an interview with The Trace, Harvard Injury Control Research Center director Deborah Azrael confirmed the 40 percent figure in terms of people who’ve acquired guns without a background check. This number is based on her team’s survey of more than 2,000 gun owners for a forthcoming study. Some preliminary data released to The Trace provides context for this new 40 percent stat:

• Roughly 30 percent: Gun owners who did not purchase their most recent gun, instead obtaining it through a transfer (a gift, an inheritance, a swap between friends).
• Roughly 70 percent: Gun owners who purchased their most recent gun.
• Among the gun buyers, about 34 percent did not go through a background check.
• Among the gun owners who got their firearms through a transfer, roughly two-thirds did not go through a background check.

More (w/maps): Mapping How Guns Get Around Despite Background Check Laws

Universal background checks may not stop all gun violence - but they would certainly help reduce it.

 

[LOki]

On background checks....

Why Background Checks Couldn’t Stop Dylan Roof

Irrelevant. The only thing that could stop Roof is to repeal the Second Amendment, which is not going to happen.

However, background checks do stop 80,000 people a year from getting a gun who shouldn't have one.

Demonstrate.

Are you not reading post 207? Irrefutable proof right there.

Yet it is fully refuted EVERY TIME a prohibited person obtains a gun.

Nope. It is not refuted unless you can show all 80,000 were able to get a gun after being denied.

Nonsense. Gibberish. Logically and factually invalid.

Yet it is fully refuted EVERY TIME a prohibited person obtains a gun.

EVERY TIME!

Your argument is the same as claiming laws against murder are fully refuted every time someone is murdered.

No. This has been explained to you. Laws against murder aren't meant to prevent murder. Murder is malum in se.

We have hard, undeniable evidence that 80,000 felons, fugitives, and other undesirables are denied a gun each year. That is an incredibly effective law.

You have no such evidence what so ever. None.

This has already been mathematically proven.

 

[The Rabbi]

Citing the popularity of an idea is not the same as showing it will be effective in reducing crime. It will not. Oregon has UBC and we see how that turned out a couple of weeks ago.
Such measures are nothing more than an attempt to stick it to lawful gun owners. It will not reduce crime one bit.

They know it won't reduce crime, the goal of gun control advocates is to make it so expensive, confusing, and legally risky for law abiding citizens that they just give up their 2nd amendment rights. We know what these lying scum are up to.

A background check is not confusing or expensive. It's the simplest thing in the world.

And entirely meaningless.

Very effective. Prevents about 80,000 fugitives and felons and the like from buying a gun every year.

You'd know that if you read the topic.

To save time, see post 207.

Your claim has been refuted. The BGC prevents nothing. Not a single crime has been prevented by BGCs.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Vigilante]

Even the Europeans have now complained dearly that THEY have NO SECOND AMENDMENT rights, as the BEHEADING HOARDS of muslim scum EFFECTIVELY escalate the white European suicide!

• Europeans Scramble For Guns Amid Islamic Immigrant Invasion: “Long Guns Sold Out”
  SHTF Plan ^ | 10/27/15 | Mac Slavo
  After decades of berating Americans for their Constitutionally protected right to bear arms, Europeans are finally starting to wake up. It took over a million Islamic immigrants and violence across their union to convince them, but it appears that they finally get it....BUT is it too little, and TOO LATE for America to get the message?

 

[Lakhota]

Even the Europeans have now complained dearly that THEY have NO SECOND AMENDMENT rights, as the BEHEADING HOARDS of muslim scum EFFECTIVELY escalate the white European suicide!

• Europeans Scramble For Guns Amid Islamic Immigrant Invasion: “Long Guns Sold Out”
  SHTF Plan ^ | 10/27/15 | Mac Slavo
  After decades of berating Americans for their Constitutionally protected right to bear arms, Europeans are finally starting to wake up. It took over a million Islamic immigrants and violence across their union to convince them, but it appears that they finally get it....BUT is it too little, and TOO LATE for America to get the message?

Who's trying to ban guns in the U.S.? Do you want criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers to have guns?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Why would any law-abiding gun owner oppose universal background checks for ALL firearms purchases? Right now, about 40% of all gun purchases are falling through the legal cracks. We should close those cracks!

28000 people have died so far in dui accidents, car to comment on that?

 

[Vigilante]

Even the Europeans have now complained dearly that THEY have NO SECOND AMENDMENT rights, as the BEHEADING HOARDS of muslim scum EFFECTIVELY escalate the white European suicide!

• Europeans Scramble For Guns Amid Islamic Immigrant Invasion: “Long Guns Sold Out”
  SHTF Plan ^ | 10/27/15 | Mac Slavo
  After decades of berating Americans for their Constitutionally protected right to bear arms, Europeans are finally starting to wake up. It took over a million Islamic immigrants and violence across their union to convince them, but it appears that they finally get it....BUT is it too little, and TOO LATE for America to get the message?

Who's trying to ban guns in the U.S.? Do you want criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers to have guns?

Do DemocRAT/NeoCommies NEED to ban guns....hell no, they have a DIFFERENT PLAN, you stupid Squaw!

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[g5000]

Irrelevant. The only thing that could stop Roof is to repeal the Second Amendment, which is not going to happen.

However, background checks do stop 80,000 people a year from getting a gun who shouldn't have one.

Demonstrate.

Are you not reading post 207? Irrefutable proof right there.

Yet it is fully refuted EVERY TIME a prohibited person obtains a gun.

Nope. It is not refuted unless you can show all 80,000 were able to get a gun after being denied.

Nonsense. Gibberish. Logically and factually invalid.

Yet it is fully refuted EVERY TIME a prohibited person obtains a gun.

EVERY TIME!

Nope.

You have to show every person denied still got a gun.

Sorry.

Take a course in Logic.

 

[g5000]

Citing the popularity of an idea is not the same as showing it will be effective in reducing crime. It will not. Oregon has UBC and we see how that turned out a couple of weeks ago.
Such measures are nothing more than an attempt to stick it to lawful gun owners. It will not reduce crime one bit.

They know it won't reduce crime, the goal of gun control advocates is to make it so expensive, confusing, and legally risky for law abiding citizens that they just give up their 2nd amendment rights. We know what these lying scum are up to.

A background check is not confusing or expensive. It's the simplest thing in the world.

And entirely meaningless.

Very effective. Prevents about 80,000 fugitives and felons and the like from buying a gun every year.

You'd know that if you read the topic.

To save time, see post 207.

Your claim has been refuted. The BGC prevents nothing. Not a single crime has been prevented by BGCs.

80,000 felons and fugitives and other undesirables are prevented from buying a gun every year. Only a retard would believe that means background checks are ineffective.

Seriously. You have to literally be mentally retarded.

And none of you have shown they all were able to buy guns after being denied.

Not one of you.

 

[Lakhota]

Why would any law-abiding gun owner oppose universal background checks for ALL firearms purchases? Right now, about 40% of all gun purchases are falling through the legal cracks. We should close those cracks!

28000 people have died so far in dui accidents, car to comment on that?

Assuming your number is true - how many would have died without our existing vehicle laws and regulations?

 

[g5000]

No one has shown the 80,000 still get a gun every year.

Even if you can show ten guys still got a gun, that means 79,900 didn't who otherwise would have.

Background checks are incredibly effective.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why would any law-abiding gun owner oppose universal background checks for ALL firearms purchases? Right now, about 40% of all gun purchases are falling through the legal cracks. We should close those cracks!

28000 people have died so far in dui accidents, car to comment on that?

Assuming your number is true - how many would have died without our existing vehicle laws and regulations?

So what? National speed limit: 25MPH. Even if it saves just one life!

 

[The Rabbi]

No one has shown the 80,000 still get a gun every year.

Even if you can show ten guys still got a gun, that means 79,900 didn't who otherwise would have.

Background checks are incredibly effective.

LOL/ You're just talking out of your ass. As usual. There is zero evidence BGCs reduce crime.

 

[Contumacious]

80,000 felons and fugitives prevented from buying a gun every year, thanks to background checks.

It is pretty hard to defend being opposed to that.

BULLSHIT.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Why would any law-abiding gun owner oppose universal background checks for ALL firearms purchases? Right now, about 40% of all gun purchases are falling through the legal cracks. We should close those cracks!

28000 people have died so far in dui accidents, car to comment on that?

Assuming your number is true - how many would have died without our existing vehicle laws and regulations?

So what? National speed limit: 25MPH. Even if it saves just one life!

Thinking Error:Minimizing

 

[Contumacious]

This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."

CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.

The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.

Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.

Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.

"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."

Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.

McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.

The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.

More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases

So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.

Gun ownership is a Constitutional Right....like voting. Why should either require an I.D.?

The fascists don't see it as a Constitutional right - its a lot easier to fuck with people if they are disarmed.



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[The Rabbi]

They know it won't reduce crime, the goal of gun control advocates is to make it so expensive, confusing, and legally risky for law abiding citizens that they just give up their 2nd amendment rights. We know what these lying scum are up to.

A background check is not confusing or expensive. It's the simplest thing in the world.

And entirely meaningless.

Very effective. Prevents about 80,000 fugitives and felons and the like from buying a gun every year.

You'd know that if you read the topic.

To save time, see post 207.

Your claim has been refuted. The BGC prevents nothing. Not a single crime has been prevented by BGCs.

80,000 felons and fugitives and other undesirables are prevented from buying a gun every year. Only a retard would believe that means background checks are ineffective.

Seriously. You have to literally be mentally retarded.

And none of you have shown they all were able to buy guns after being denied.

Not one of you.

You havent shown any felons were prevented from buying guns. Not a single one. Logic is not your gig.