UK politicians ran pedophile ring

[ChrisL]

Two more former British government ministers have been named to London police as members of a powerful pedophile ring who systematically abused boys during the 1970s and 1980s.

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Two More Ex-Government Ministers Linked to UK Pedophile Ring News teleSUR

What I do not understand is WHY did this man not go and complain about this immediately if he was alleged "recruited" to find children for members of Parliament to abuse? What in the hell is wrong with HIM? If he actually did this, he should be also charged. Just because he got a twinge of conscience about it later on does not excuse his putting children in harm's way. And supposedly this has been going on since the 70s and 80s? This story just seems to get more and more strange all the time. What in the hell kind of people are running the country? It's all quite disturbing IMO, to think that a scandal this big could go on for this long and nobody says anything or comes up with any evidence or names for DECADES?

 

[Vikrant]

Two more former British government ministers have been named to London police as members of a powerful pedophile ring who systematically abused boys during the 1970s and 1980s.

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Two More Ex-Government Ministers Linked to UK Pedophile Ring News teleSUR

What I do not understand is WHY did this man not go and complain about this immediately if he was alleged "recruited" to find children for members of Parliament to abuse? What in the hell is wrong with HIM? If he actually did this, he should be also charged. Just because he got a twinge of conscience about it later on does not excuse his putting children in harm's way. And supposedly this has been going on since the 70s and 80s? This story just seems to get more and more strange all the time. What in the hell kind of people are running the country? It's all quite disturbing IMO, to think that a scandal this big could go on for this long and nobody says anything or comes up with any evidence or names for DECADES?

A good number of accused were ministers. As such they were in a position to construct both foreign and domestic policies of the UK. This should be a cause of concern for the people. I think it is time for us to examine the policies enacted by these corrupt politicians and its affects on the people of the United Kingdom.

 

[ChrisL]

I'm sorry, but I cannot help but think of an incident that occurred here in the USA where there was allegedly a huge child porn/molestation ring run by the people in a local town. I was either very young or maybe not even born yet (I can't remember what year/years this allegedly occurred - I will google in a minute). Anyhow, supposedly there were a bunch of people involved, daycare providers, teachers, preachers, parents, etc., and they did "devil worshipping" with the children, but it turned out that the whole thing was made up. I don't remember how or why, but that was apparently the case, so I would like to see some good evidence.

 

[ChrisL]

Vikrant

Here is a link for you. I mean, this stuff is just . . . incredible, so you can understand why I would want to see some actual evidence before condemning any of these people. Do you know how many people's lives were RUINED by all of this stuff?

Satanic ritual abuse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Vikrant]

Vikrant

Here is a link for you. I mean, this stuff is just . . . incredible, so you can understand why I would want to see some actual evidence before condemning any of these people. Do you know how many people's lives were RUINED by all of this stuff?

Satanic ritual abuse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You are mixing up apples with oranges.

 

[ChrisL]

Vikrant

Here is a link for you. I mean, this stuff is just . . . incredible, so you can understand why I would want to see some actual evidence before condemning any of these people. Do you know how many people's lives were RUINED by all of this stuff?

Satanic ritual abuse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You are mixing up apples and oranges.

No, I am not. This sounds eerily similar to what happened here in the US. I'm not saying it is or isn't true (and neither can you). I am saying I would like to see some kind of evidence before I go convicting people of such a horrible crime, especially something that is so long reaching.

 

[ChrisL]

Two more former British government ministers have been named to London police as members of a powerful pedophile ring who systematically abused boys during the 1970s and 1980s.

...

Two More Ex-Government Ministers Linked to UK Pedophile Ring News teleSUR

What I do not understand is WHY did this man not go and complain about this immediately if he was alleged "recruited" to find children for members of Parliament to abuse? What in the hell is wrong with HIM? If he actually did this, he should be also charged. Just because he got a twinge of conscience about it later on does not excuse his putting children in harm's way. And supposedly this has been going on since the 70s and 80s? This story just seems to get more and more strange all the time. What in the hell kind of people are running the country? It's all quite disturbing IMO, to think that a scandal this big could go on for this long and nobody says anything or comes up with any evidence or names for DECADES?

A good number of accused were ministers. As such they were in a position to construct both foreign and domestic policies of the UK. This should be a cause of concern for the people. I think it is time for us to examine the policies enacted by these corrupt politicians and its affects on the people of the United Kingdom.

Well, what policies would be of concern to you? Isn't child abuse illegal in the UK?

 

[Vikrant]

Vikrant

Here is a link for you. I mean, this stuff is just . . . incredible, so you can understand why I would want to see some actual evidence before condemning any of these people. Do you know how many people's lives were RUINED by all of this stuff?

Satanic ritual abuse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You are mixing up apples and oranges.

No, I am not. This sounds eerily similar to what happened here in the US. I'm not saying it is or isn't true (and neither can you). I am saying I would like to see some kind of evidence before I go convicting people of such a horrible crime, especially something that is so long reaching.

A dossier containing evidence against 22 former politicians was just handed over to the police few days ago by John Mann, MP who is in charge of the investigation. I have posted the link which points to that report. John Mann himself said that the evidence is very strong.

 

[Vikrant]

Two more former British government ministers have been named to London police as members of a powerful pedophile ring who systematically abused boys during the 1970s and 1980s.

...

Two More Ex-Government Ministers Linked to UK Pedophile Ring News teleSUR

What I do not understand is WHY did this man not go and complain about this immediately if he was alleged "recruited" to find children for members of Parliament to abuse? What in the hell is wrong with HIM? If he actually did this, he should be also charged. Just because he got a twinge of conscience about it later on does not excuse his putting children in harm's way. And supposedly this has been going on since the 70s and 80s? This story just seems to get more and more strange all the time. What in the hell kind of people are running the country? It's all quite disturbing IMO, to think that a scandal this big could go on for this long and nobody says anything or comes up with any evidence or names for DECADES?

A good number of accused were ministers. As such they were in a position to construct both foreign and domestic policies of the UK. This should be a cause of concern for the people. I think it is time for us to examine the policies enacted by these corrupt politicians and its affects on the people of the United Kingdom.

Well, what policies would be of concern to you? Isn't child abuse illegal in the UK?

Any policy that these guys actively lobbied for should come under radar.

 

[Vikrant]

A dossier of evidence, compiled by a Labor member of parliament (MP) and handed to police, lists 22 politicians — including three serving MPs and three current members of parliament's upper chamber, the House of Lords — alleged to have participated in the networks.

UK Police Investigating Five Alleged Pedophile Rings Involving Highly Influential Politicians VICE News

 

[ChrisL]

Vikrant

Here is a link for you. I mean, this stuff is just . . . incredible, so you can understand why I would want to see some actual evidence before condemning any of these people. Do you know how many people's lives were RUINED by all of this stuff?

Satanic ritual abuse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You are mixing up apples and oranges.

No, I am not. This sounds eerily similar to what happened here in the US. I'm not saying it is or isn't true (and neither can you). I am saying I would like to see some kind of evidence before I go convicting people of such a horrible crime, especially something that is so long reaching.

A dossier containing evidence against 22 former politicians was just handed over to the police few days ago by John Mann, MP who is in charge of the investigation. I have posted the link which points to that report. John Mann himself said that the evidence is very strong.

Okay, but we don't know what the evidence IS besides a "list of names" and some anecdotes. That's all I'm saying. That is why, here in America, it is important that we have trials before we convict people and that the evidence must be reliable and obtained legally, etc.

^^^
This gets me to thinking about the differences in the UK and the US when it comes to media coverage. Apparently in the UK, they are not allowed to release the names until trial? Is that how it works? I was thinking of how our Freedom of the Press kind of interferes with an individual's right to a fair trial, when a lot of times a person can be convicted in the public eye because of biased media coverage and name dropping, etc. So, even if a person is innocent, it seems their lives are destroyed because of that. I wonder if anyone ever thinks of that?

 

[Vikrant]

Vikrant

Here is a link for you. I mean, this stuff is just . . . incredible, so you can understand why I would want to see some actual evidence before condemning any of these people. Do you know how many people's lives were RUINED by all of this stuff?

Satanic ritual abuse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You are mixing up apples and oranges.

No, I am not. This sounds eerily similar to what happened here in the US. I'm not saying it is or isn't true (and neither can you). I am saying I would like to see some kind of evidence before I go convicting people of such a horrible crime, especially something that is so long reaching.

A dossier containing evidence against 22 former politicians was just handed over to the police few days ago by John Mann, MP who is in charge of the investigation. I have posted the link which points to that report. John Mann himself said that the evidence is very strong.

Okay, but we don't know what the evidence IS besides a "list of names" and some anecdotes. That's all I'm saying. That is why, here in America, it is important that we have trials before we convict people and that the evidence must be reliable and obtained legally, etc.

^^^
This gets me to thinking about the differences in the UK and the US when it comes to media coverage. Apparently in the UK, they are not allowed to release the names until trial? Is that how it works? I was thinking of how our Freedom of the Press kind of interferes with an individual's right to a fair trial, when a lot of times a person can be convicted in the public eye because of biased media coverage and name dropping, etc. So, even if a person is innocent, it seems their lives are destroyed because of that. I wonder if anyone ever thinks of that?

Even in the U.S. investigations are kept confidential. The investigation that we are talking about involves very powerful people. You have to be careful and discrete when you are investigating powerful people.

 

[ChrisL]

Vikrant

Here is a link for you. I mean, this stuff is just . . . incredible, so you can understand why I would want to see some actual evidence before condemning any of these people. Do you know how many people's lives were RUINED by all of this stuff?

Satanic ritual abuse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You are mixing up apples and oranges.

No, I am not. This sounds eerily similar to what happened here in the US. I'm not saying it is or isn't true (and neither can you). I am saying I would like to see some kind of evidence before I go convicting people of such a horrible crime, especially something that is so long reaching.

A dossier containing evidence against 22 former politicians was just handed over to the police few days ago by John Mann, MP who is in charge of the investigation. I have posted the link which points to that report. John Mann himself said that the evidence is very strong.

Okay, but we don't know what the evidence IS besides a "list of names" and some anecdotes. That's all I'm saying. That is why, here in America, it is important that we have trials before we convict people and that the evidence must be reliable and obtained legally, etc.

^^^
This gets me to thinking about the differences in the UK and the US when it comes to media coverage. Apparently in the UK, they are not allowed to release the names until trial? Is that how it works? I was thinking of how our Freedom of the Press kind of interferes with an individual's right to a fair trial, when a lot of times a person can be convicted in the public eye because of biased media coverage and name dropping, etc. So, even if a person is innocent, it seems their lives are destroyed because of that. I wonder if anyone ever thinks of that?

Even in the U.S. investigations are kept confidential. The investigation that we are talking about involves very powerful people. You have to be careful and discrete when you are investigating powerful people.

Well still, my thought makes sense. How can it be okay for people's names to be released to the public, and to have programs such as the Nancy Grace Show, which convict a person in the court of public opinion before that person has even had the chance to have a fair trial with all of the accurate evidence presented, all sides of the story, etc.? I was just thinking that, even though we would be salivating for names of the accused, perhaps that isn't really the right thing to do.

 

[Vikrant]

If the accused were immigrants (dark skinned) no evidence would have been needed. People would have been gleefully posting all sorts of non-sense about immigrants. But it is hard to swallow the bitter pill when upper class whites, as white as it gets were involved. I get the discomfort. But it is what it is.

 

[ChrisL]

If the accused were immigrants (dark skinned) no evidence would have been needed. People would have been gleefully posting all sorts of non-sense about immigrants. But it is hard to swallow the bitter pill when upper class whites, as white as it gets were involved. I get the discomfort. But it is what it is.

That is not true. The divide is between rich and poor because even immigrants (legal immigrants) are entitled to a fair trial. The problem is that the rich can afford the best defense.

 

[Vikrant]

If the accused were immigrants (dark skinned) no evidence would have been needed. People would have been gleefully posting all sorts of non-sense about immigrants. But it is hard to swallow the bitter pill when upper class whites, as white as it gets were involved. I get the discomfort. But it is what it is.

That is not true. The divide is between rich and poor because even immigrants (legal immigrants) are entitled to a fair trial. The problem is that the rich can afford the best defense.

You are mixing up apples with oranges. If you read my post again you may notice that you and I are talking about two different things.

 

[ChrisL]

If the accused were immigrants (dark skinned) no evidence would have been needed. People would have been gleefully posting all sorts of non-sense about immigrants. But it is hard to swallow the bitter pill when upper class whites, as white as it gets were involved. I get the discomfort. But it is what it is.

That is not true. The divide is between rich and poor because even immigrants (legal immigrants) are entitled to a fair trial. The problem is that the rich can afford the best defense.

You are mixing up apples with oranges. If you read my post again you may notice that you and I are talking about two different things.

If the accused names were not given out, then no one would KNOW their race, whether they were rich or poor, or anything else about the accused person. So no, it is not apples and oranges.

 

[Vikrant]

If the accused were immigrants (dark skinned) no evidence would have been needed. People would have been gleefully posting all sorts of non-sense about immigrants. But it is hard to swallow the bitter pill when upper class whites, as white as it gets were involved. I get the discomfort. But it is what it is.

That is not true. The divide is between rich and poor because even immigrants (legal immigrants) are entitled to a fair trial. The problem is that the rich can afford the best defense.

You are mixing up apples with oranges. If you read my post again you may notice that you and I are talking about two different things.

If the accused names were not given out, then no one would KNOW their race, whether they were rich or poor, or anything else about the accused person. So no, it is not apples and oranges.

It is absurd to suggest that you can indict without a name.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Judges in the UK quite frequently bar the publication of a defendants name in sexual abuse cases to protect the victim.
Witness Protection and Anonymity Legal Guidance The Crown Prosecution Service

 

[I.P.Freely]

Vikrant

Here is a link for you. I mean, this stuff is just . . . incredible, so you can understand why I would want to see some actual evidence before condemning any of these people. Do you know how many people's lives were RUINED by all of this stuff?

Satanic ritual abuse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You are mixing up apples and oranges.

No, I am not. This sounds eerily similar to what happened here in the US. I'm not saying it is or isn't true (and neither can you). I am saying I would like to see some kind of evidence before I go convicting people of such a horrible crime, especially something that is so long reaching.

A dossier containing evidence against 22 former politicians was just handed over to the police few days ago by John Mann, MP who is in charge of the investigation. I have posted the link which points to that report. John Mann himself said that the evidence is very strong.

Okay, but we don't know what the evidence IS besides a "list of names" and some anecdotes. That's all I'm saying. That is why, here in America, it is important that we have trials before we convict people and that the evidence must be reliable and obtained legally, etc.

^^^
This gets me to thinking about the differences in the UK and the US when it comes to media coverage. Apparently in the UK, they are not allowed to release the names until trial? Is that how it works? I was thinking of how our Freedom of the Press kind of interferes with an individual's right to a fair trial, when a lot of times a person can be convicted in the public eye because of biased media coverage and name dropping, etc. So, even if a person is innocent, it seems their lives are destroyed because of that. I wonder if anyone ever thinks of that?

A person has to be charged with an offence by the CPS before he goes to court, the person is still regarded as innocent until found guilty.
The police are still investigating so no charges have been laid. That is why various News outlets who linked Mcalpines name to pedophilia were hammered in court for defamation.