United States Founded on Faith

[Bush92]

The Founders seem pretty grounded in faith to me.
Christian Quotes from the Founding Fathers

 

[Seawytch]

America was founded by people who were predominantly of the Christian faith. And? What's the point?

 

[bodecea]

Yes, the English colonies were based on faith. Would you like to go back to being an English colony? It can be arranged.

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

What of the Constitution is grounded on the christian faith?

All of it. The concept of "rebirth" or being "born again." By scrapping the Articles of Confederation on the third day of the Constitutional Convention the Founders had to leave Philadelphia with a plan for governance...or they had just destroyed everything they fought for. So in essence they baptized the nation and it was "born again" with the Constitution of the United States of America.

What part of "checks and balances" is grounded on christian faith?
What part of a bicameral legislature is grounded on christian faith?
What part of three branches of government is grounded on christian faith?
What part of the Bill of Rights is grounded on christian faith?

 

[g5000]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

The North was settled by people of faith. The South was settled by people seeking material wealth.

 

[g5000]

The settlers who established themselves on the shores of New England all belonged to the more independent classes of their native country. Their union on the soil of America at once presented the singular phenomenon of a society containing neither lords nor common people, and we may almost say neither rich nor poor. These men possessed, in proportion to their number, a greater mass of intelligence than is to be found in any European nation of our own time All, perhaps without a single exception, had received a good education, and many of them were known in Europe for their talents and their acquirements. The other colonies had been founded by adventurers without families; the immigrants of New England brought with them the best elements of order and morality; they landed on the desert coast accompanied by their wives and children. But what especially distinguished them from all others was the aim of their undertaking. They had not been obliged by necessity to leave their country; the social position they abandoned was one to be regretted, and their means of subsistence were certain. Nor did they cross the Atlantic to improve their situation or to increase their wealth; it was a purely intellectual craving that called them from the comforts of their former homes; and in facing the inevitable . sufferings of exile their object was the triumph of an idea.

The immigrants, or, as they deservedly styled themselves, the Pilgrims, belonged to that English sect the austerity of whose principles had acquired for them the name of Puritans. Puritanism was not merely a religious doctrine, but corresponded in many points with the most absolute democratic and republican theories. It was this tendency that had aroused its most dangerous adversaries. Persecuted by the government of the mother country, and disgusted by the habits of a society which the rigor of their own principles condemned, the Puritans went forth to seek some rude and unfrequented part of the world where they could live according to their own opinions and worship God in freedom.

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 2

Virginia received the first English colony; the immigrants took possession of it in 1607. The idea that mines of gold and silver are the sources of national wealth was at that time singularly prevalent in Europe; a fatal delusion, which has done more to impoverish the European nations who adopted it, and has cost more lives in America, than the united influence of war and bad laws. The men sent to Virginia were seekers of gold, adventurers without resources and without character, whose turbulent and restless spirit endangered the infant colony and rendered its progress uncertain. Artisans and agriculturists arrived afterwards; and, although they were a more moral and orderly race of men, they were hardly in any respect above the level of the inferior classes in England. No lofty views, no spiritual conception, presided over the foundation of these new settlements. The colony was scarcely established when slavery was introduced; this was the capital fact which was to exercise an immense influence on the character, the laws, and the whole future of the South. Slavery, as I shall afterwards show, dishonors labor; it introduces idleness into society, and with idleness, ignorance and pride, luxury and distress. It enervates the powers of the mind and benumbs the activity of man. The influence of slavery, united to the English character, explains the manners and the social condition of the Southern states.

 

[norwegen]

Yes, the English colonies were based on faith. Would you like to go back to being an English colony? It can be arranged.

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

What of the Constitution is grounded on the christian faith?

All of it. The concept of "rebirth" or being "born again." By scrapping the Articles of Confederation on the third day of the Constitutional Convention the Founders had to leave Philadelphia with a plan for governance...or they had just destroyed everything they fought for. So in essence they baptized the nation and it was "born again" with the Constitution of the United States of America.

More specifically, the Presentiment Clause, which provides for an observance of the Sabbath.

But again, per the premise of the thread, America's charter - its founding document - credits the Judeo-Christian God - divine Providence and the Supreme Judge - in effecting secession from the commonwealth.

 

[guno]

I think the constitution says it all. "We the people....." The only reference to the Christians # 1 God is as a place-holder in time.

The U.S. government derives from people (not God(s)), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect .union..


The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

 

[RightyTighty]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

Founded on faith so they wrote a godless secular Constitution? Try again. And keep your God and gods out of my public schools.

 

[Bush92]

America was founded by people who were predominantly of the Christian faith. And? What's the point?

Watch video. Should school have been forced to take down the prayer? I think we are consistently redefining Jefferson 's "Wall of Seperation." Just as the Rehenqist Court clarified some of the extreme positions of the Warren Court on probable cause and warrentless searches for police in conducting their jobs.

 

[Bush92]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

Founded on faith so they wrote a godless secular Constitution? Try again. And keep your God and gods out of my public schools.

But they left the work of defining the wall of separation to future generations.

 

[RightyTighty]

I think the constitution says it all. "We the people....." The only reference to the Christians # 1 God is as a place-holder in time.

Our liberty is deeply tied to our faith.

Ah, no. Not in the slightest. Liberalism grants you your liberty.

 

[Bush92]

I think the constitution says it all. "We the people....." The only reference to the Christians # 1 God is as a place-holder in time.

The U.S. government derives from people (not God(s)), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect .union..


The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

The people...whe predominately worship God.

 

[Bush92]

I think the constitution says it all. "We the people....." The only reference to the Christians # 1 God is as a place-holder in time.

Our liberty is deeply tied to our faith.

Ah, no. Not in the slightest. Liberalism grants you your liberty.

Constitution grants me liberty. Conservatism maintains that grant.

 

[guno]

The Founders seem pretty grounded in faith to me.
Christian Quotes from the Founding Fathers

These founding fathers?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.”
John Adams


Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”
James Madison — Letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
Thomas Jefferson — in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813


“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.”
Jefferson’s letter to John Adams, April 11 1823


God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world.”
John Adams

“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”
John Adams — letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

“The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature (deism) shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?”


“The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.”
Thomas Jefferson — Letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822
John Adams


“Knowledge and liberty are so prevalent in this country, that I do not believe that the United States would ever be disposed to establish one religious sect, and lay all others under legal disabilities. But as we know not what may take place hereafter, and any such test would be exceedingly injurious to the rights of free citizens, I cannot think it altogether superfluous to have added a clause, which secures us from the possibility of such oppression.”
Oliver Wolcott, Connecticut Ratifying Convention, 9 January 1788

 

[Bush92]

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

What of the Constitution is grounded on the christian faith?

All of it. The concept of "rebirth" or being "born again." By scrapping the Articles of Confederation on the third day of the Constitutional Convention the Founders had to leave Philadelphia with a plan for governance...or they had just destroyed everything they fought for. So in essence they baptized the nation and it was "born again" with the Constitution of the United States of America.

More specifically, the Presentiment Clause, which provides for an observance of the Sabbath.

But again, per the premise of the thread, America's charter - its founding document - credits the Judeo-Christian God - divine Providence and the Supreme Judge - in effecting secession from the commonwealth.

But defining the perimeters of that separation was left to the people.

 

[Bush92]

The Founders seem pretty grounded in faith to me.
Christian Quotes from the Founding Fathers

These founding fathers?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.”
John Adams


Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”
James Madison — Letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
Thomas Jefferson — in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813


“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.”
Jefferson’s letter to John Adams, April 11 1823


God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world.”
John Adams

“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”
John Adams — letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

“The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature (deism) shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?”


“The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.”
Thomas Jefferson — Letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822
John Adams


“Knowledge and liberty are so prevalent in this country, that I do not believe that the United States would ever be disposed to establish one religious sect, and lay all others under legal disabilities. But as we know not what may take place hereafter, and any such test would be exceedingly injurious to the rights of free citizens, I cannot think it altogether superfluous to have added a clause, which secures us from the possibility of such oppression.”
Oliver Wolcott, Connecticut Ratifying Convention, 9 January 1788

Jefferson was an agnostic and the Adam's quotes would appear directed at A.) those who attempt to usurp Christianity and B.) How a strict religious dogma retards scientific study. I agree on both. But now back to religion in the public realm.

 

[Bush92]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

The North was settled by people of faith. The South was settled by people seeking material wealth.

True.

 

[Bush92]

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

What of the Constitution is grounded on the christian faith?

All of it. The concept of "rebirth" or being "born again." By scrapping the Articles of Confederation on the third day of the Constitutional Convention the Founders had to leave Philadelphia with a plan for governance...or they had just destroyed everything they fought for. So in essence they baptized the nation and it was "born again" with the Constitution of the United States of America.

What part of "checks and balances" is grounded on christian faith?
What part of a bicameral legislature is grounded on christian faith?
What part of three branches of government is grounded on christian faith?
What part of the Bill of Rights is grounded on christian faith?

Both houses of Congress begin each daily session with a prayer. The POTUS takes oath with hand on Bible. The structure of Constitution is for operational purposes.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I think the constitution says it all. "We the people....." The only reference to the Christians # 1 God is as a place-holder in time.

Why the Constitution? Our founding document is the DoI, which references the God of Abraham no fewer than two times.

The god of Abraham is the god of Islam.

You're not usually worth my time, but I assure you, no Muslim signed the DoI.

Who cares?

Would you like a repeal of the 1st Amendment so we can criminalize all religions except Christianity?

Bingo'

That's exactly what they want.


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[norwegen]

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

What of the Constitution is grounded on the christian faith?

All of it. The concept of "rebirth" or being "born again." By scrapping the Articles of Confederation on the third day of the Constitutional Convention the Founders had to leave Philadelphia with a plan for governance...or they had just destroyed everything they fought for. So in essence they baptized the nation and it was "born again" with the Constitution of the United States of America.

More specifically, the Presentiment Clause, which provides for an observance of the Sabbath.

But again, per the premise of the thread, America's charter - its founding document - credits the Judeo-Christian God - divine Providence and the Supreme Judge - in effecting secession from the commonwealth.

But defining the perimeters of that separation was left to the people.

Indeed, the people were immersed in a culture defined by classical antiquity, English Common Law, Enlightenment Rationalism, and social and political theories of New England Puritanism and Covenant Theology, a culture that they brought to Independence Hall. Many avowed Christians were present to act as signatories there, including ordained minister John Witherspoon.

One of the problems I see with the liberals in this thread is that they confuse the United States government with the United States. The people did not found their country with the Constitution. The Constitution is the instrument by which they constituted a new government.