Univ. of Wisconsin teaches students "it's unfair to be white"

Peggy McIntosh is associate director of the Wellesley Collage Center for Research on Women. This essay is excerpted from Working Paper 189. "White Privilege and Male Privilege: A Personal Account of Coming To See Correspondences through Work in Women's Studies"
(1988)​

Daily effects of white privilege

I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh
 
Peggy McIntosh is associate director of the Wellesley Collage Center for Research on Women. This essay is excerpted from Working Paper 189. "White Privilege and Male Privilege: A Personal Account of Coming To See Correspondences through Work in Women's Studies"
(1988)​

Daily effects of white privilege

I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh

Yes, I included a link :cool:
 
If you care a less then we can't have a discussion.

Serfs may have been persecuted and so have jews.

White privilege is relevant when talking about race, which is the topic I am discussing. :cool:

You dont grasp the simplest concepts about how to categorize objects, apparently.

When you set up categories that have huge variation internally and huge commonality to outside objects, then your categorization is useless.

Fat white Americans have more in common with fat black folks than they have in common with white nobles living a life of real privilege in France.

That you ignore the larger commonalities and focus despite all the contrary evidence in approaching the subject primarily on the basis of race proves you to be a racist, irrational and with an agenda, likely spawned from a hatred of whites.

I grasp it just fine, you have been reduced to trying to make it personal when you disagree.

I have covered my opinion with several excerpts and links and you replied in one instance that you could care a less.

If you aren't going to give any real consideration to my sources and opinions we are no longer engaging in a discussion about it.

:dunno:
 
Racism is a tragic historical accident that is maintained today only by all the 'remedies' being applied against it.


It's no accident, and it is most certainly not "maintained today only by all the 'remedies' being applied against it." That is just one of many excuses that the weak among us sometimes fall back on to try and justify their own inability to overcome base animal instincts that more evolved humans have learned to control and move beyond.

No, as it is understood today, the concept of race stems from an historical accident that the white northern Europeans hit the industrial age before anyone else along with how to navigate using astronomical charts, time of day and precise angles of measurement to various stars.

This allowed whites to spread out and trade with many tropical nations whose empires we sliding into moral decay and political degeneracy. European tactics and military structures and logistical systems were far superior to anything the third world nations could put on the field and that was primarily due to the incessant warfare of Europe. They h ad a lot of practice and innovation.

The Songhai Empire and others south of the Saharah were regularly raided by Arabs from the north who kept burning efverything down, so blacks in NW Africa had no comparable government to the Ottomans, Moghuls or Manchuhs, and so were looked down apon because they had nothing to show and whites took that to be a sign of some kind of genetic incompetence at civilization when the geography and climate of these subsaharan regions were not suitable to large nation states.

So this accidental circumstantial contrast between whites and blacks spured what were considered obvious conclusions; blacks were inferior to whites. Thus racial superiority was born in the mind of white statesmen and the artificial psuedo science of race persists to our time. It would have died a decade or more ago, but so much resentment is being generated by AA that some whites no longer have neutral views on whites in every region of our country.

Wow, you must have completed Junior High... :rolleyes:

Nothing accidental about any of that. The root cause of racism is basic human fear. Blaming racism on "resentment" is a pretty pathetic excuse for being too weak to grow beyond that fear. It is obviously possible to disagree with policies like affirmative action without 'becoming' racist because of it.
 
Peggy McIntosh is associate director of the Wellesley Collage Center for Research on Women. This essay is excerpted from Working Paper 189. "White Privilege and Male Privilege: A Personal Account of Coming To See Correspondences through Work in Women's Studies"
(1988)​

Daily effects of white privilege

I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh

lol, now toss male privilege into the myth-making here, why not?

The Queen of England is obviously in a position of lesser privilege than the average white working class man holding down two jobs to pay his bills and taxes, not to mention the WOPOTUS herself.

roflmao
 
If you care a less then we can't have a discussion.

Serfs may have been persecuted and so have jews.

White privilege is relevant when talking about race, which is the topic I am discussing. :cool:

You dont grasp the simplest concepts about how to categorize objects, apparently.

When you set up categories that have huge variation internally and huge commonality to outside objects, then your categorization is useless.

Fat white Americans have more in common with fat black folks than they have in common with white nobles living a life of real privilege in France.

That you ignore the larger commonalities and focus despite all the contrary evidence in approaching the subject primarily on the basis of race proves you to be a racist, irrational and with an agenda, likely spawned from a hatred of whites.

I grasp it just fine, you have been reduced to trying to make it personal when you disagree.

I have covered my opinion with several excerpts and links and you replied in one instance that you could care a less.

If you aren't going to give any real consideration to my sources and opinions we are no longer engaging in a discussion about it.

:dunno:

You have made a lot of smoke and berbiage, but still ignore the simple FACT that race is not based on science, it is not a good indicator of performance or health of any individual while other classifications are much more indicative, etc.

And yet you persist not realizing how irrational and and warrantless your claims are with these things considered.

Hence I can only understand your behavior in the context of a self-hating white person or a bigoted nonwhite. Either way you are a racist to the core.
 
Haven't these idiots heard of affirmative action??? Everything is stacked AGAINST whites by edict of super-racist obozo.

Students taught: It?s unfair to be white

Feb 12, 2013

Despite the longstanding message that a person’s skin color should not matter in America, students at the University of Wisconsin – Superior are now being taught that it’s “unfair” to be white.

It’s part of a controversial effort known as the Unfair Campaign, designed to teach America’s youth that “systems and institutions are set up for us [whites]” and as such are “unfair.”

One of the main slogans for the campaign is: “It’s hard to see racism when you’re white.”

CampusReform reports the campaign was initially sponsored by the University of Minnesota – Duluth, but after an investigation conducted by CampusReform, that college dropped its partnership, and labeled the program “divisive” and “alienating.”
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That's not true. Blacks are capable. They are failures because they have been told that education is a form of selling out to the white man.

HAHAHA. More liberal drivel. You libs always blame black failure on everyone but blacks.

I say cut blacks loose and let them sink or swim on their own. You libs constantly "helping" them with welfare and AA just reinforces the idea that they are failures and always will be.

It is quite amusing to see myself described as a liberal. You miss my point. There is no reason why black people cannot be every bit as successful as anyone else. Stop paying them to be inferior. A black person who is successful is the social and racial enemy of every black person getting a check for being a failure. I agree with you end affirmative action it is now time to stand on your own.
 
It's no accident, and it is most certainly not "maintained today only by all the 'remedies' being applied against it." That is just one of many excuses that the weak among us sometimes fall back on to try and justify their own inability to overcome base animal instincts that more evolved humans have learned to control and move beyond.

No, as it is understood today, the concept of race stems from an historical accident that the white northern Europeans hit the industrial age before anyone else along with how to navigate using astronomical charts, time of day and precise angles of measurement to various stars.

This allowed whites to spread out and trade with many tropical nations whose empires we sliding into moral decay and political degeneracy. European tactics and military structures and logistical systems were far superior to anything the third world nations could put on the field and that was primarily due to the incessant warfare of Europe. They h ad a lot of practice and innovation.

The Songhai Empire and others south of the Saharah were regularly raided by Arabs from the north who kept burning efverything down, so blacks in NW Africa had no comparable government to the Ottomans, Moghuls or Manchuhs, and so were looked down apon because they had nothing to show and whites took that to be a sign of some kind of genetic incompetence at civilization when the geography and climate of these subsaharan regions were not suitable to large nation states.

So this accidental circumstantial contrast between whites and blacks spured what were considered obvious conclusions; blacks were inferior to whites. Thus racial superiority was born in the mind of white statesmen and the artificial psuedo science of race persists to our time. It would have died a decade or more ago, but so much resentment is being generated by AA that some whites no longer have neutral views on whites in every region of our country.

Wow, you must have completed Junior High... :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but if you would like me to reduce the reading level I can go down to third grade level or so, as I have experience writing user guides for software users. :D

Nothing accidental about any of that.

So why do you think that, after centuries of trailing the science, math, literature, governance and military proweeress of the Ottomans, Arabs, Indians and Chinese, suddenly the Western Europeans exploded into technological leaps that left all these other previously much more advanced nations behind for centuries afterwards?

I say its luck drawing from a convergence of historical trends that happened to peak in Western Europe all at the right time.


The root cause of racism is basic human fear. Blaming racism on "resentment" is a pretty pathetic excuse for being too weak to grow beyond that fear.

Where did I say it was based on resentment? I am claiming what is generally considered fact of the public domain now; racism was born in the minds of whites based on the observed inferiority of other nations that only happened to correspond to the darkness of the skin of the people at the time.

That is not resentment; it is describing a presumptive superiority as understood to be based on racial differences that were merely accidental and not due to the nature of the people observed.


It is obviously possible to disagree with policies like affirmative action without 'becoming' racist because of it.

I disagree with AA from the perspective of after nearly five decades of AA creating a huge mess in our society and being pointless discriminatory against whites. It had its use at one time, but it will never be voluntarily abandoned by the Civil Rights leadership.
 
You dont grasp the simplest concepts about how to categorize objects, apparently.

When you set up categories that have huge variation internally and huge commonality to outside objects, then your categorization is useless.

Fat white Americans have more in common with fat black folks than they have in common with white nobles living a life of real privilege in France.

That you ignore the larger commonalities and focus despite all the contrary evidence in approaching the subject primarily on the basis of race proves you to be a racist, irrational and with an agenda, likely spawned from a hatred of whites.

I grasp it just fine, you have been reduced to trying to make it personal when you disagree.

I have covered my opinion with several excerpts and links and you replied in one instance that you could care a less.

If you aren't going to give any real consideration to my sources and opinions we are no longer engaging in a discussion about it.

:dunno:

You have made a lot of smoke and berbiage, but still ignore the simple FACT that race is not based on science, it is not a good indicator of performance or health of any individual while other classifications are much more indicative, etc.

And yet you persist not realizing how irrational and and warrantless your claims are with these things considered.

Hence I can only understand your behavior in the context of a self-hating white person or a bigoted nonwhite. Either way you are a racist to the core.

I never stated race was based on science.

It is a social construction and because of how it evolved and how whites have had privileges I have discussed why it is good to acknowledge that.

Again, you do not know me, please try not to make conjectures about who I am.

I have not speculated on anything about your race.

I am only discussing the topic of white privilege and would appreciate if you would stick to that topic. :cool:
 
One of these days libulals are gonna have to admit publicly what even they know privately. Blacks are failures because they are mentally inferior. There is no conspiracy to keep them down. The conspiracy is to hold down whites via AA.

That's not true. Blacks are capable. They are failures because they have been told that education is a form of selling out to the white man.
since libbs have taken over our schools who's fault is that ??
 
You have made a lot of smoke and berbiage, but still ignore the simple FACT that race is not based on science, it is not a good indicator of performance or health of any individual while other classifications are much more indicative, etc.

If liberals truly believe race does not exist, then how do they justify race-based affirmative action?
 
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It is quite amusing to see myself described as a liberal. You miss my point. There is no reason why black people cannot be every bit as successful as anyone else.

Yes there is. Blacks are STUPID. That's why on all standardized tests blacks are always at the bottom. Don't tell me the tests are culturally biased towards whites unless you can explain why asians do so well on the tests.
 
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I disagree with AA from the perspective of after nearly five decades of AA creating a huge mess in our society and being pointless discriminatory against whites. It had its use at one time, but it will never be voluntarily abandoned by the Civil Rights leadership.

No they won't abandon it since AA has proven black inferiority. With 40 years of special treatment, blacks are still a failed race. Blacks know that without AA the only careers open to them are menial labor, crime, and welfare.
 
You have made a lot of smoke and berbiage, but still ignore the simple FACT that race is not based on science, it is not a good indicator of performance or health of any individual while other classifications are much more indicative, etc.

If liberals truly believe race does not exist, then how do they justify race-based affirmative action?

Race does exist as a human construct, akin to ethnicity, but it is not a concept that is based on science.

As to how they justify it, fuck if I know. All I know is that they keep playing both ends against the middle and it is very likely to blow up in their faces one day.
 
I never stated race was based on science.

It is a social construction

Congratulations; thus race is something that can be erased from human consciousness except that race baiting fools keep it going by forcing people to 'belong' to a race whether they want to or not.


and because of how it evolved and how whites have had privileges I have discussed why it is good to acknowledge that.

Except that white working class people have not had any such privileges. That you continue to group all these people together purely on the basis of an unscientific analysis shows that racialism is the core of your view of the world which makes you a RACIST, regardless of what race you are.


Again, you do not know me, please try not to make conjectures about who I am.

I am merely interpreting what you write, and that is almost entirely racist screeds based on some flawed psuedoscience that you recognise as psuedoscience, but you use it anyway.

I have not speculated on anything about your race.

I am only discussing the topic of white privilege and would appreciate if you would stick to that topic. :cool:

Lol, you want to engage in a discussion that starts with a concession that a fiction, a made up unscientific grouping of people into so-called races is valid and that ALL PEOPLE OF ONE OF THOSE RACES HAVE PRIVILEGE BY MERELY BEING A MEMBER OF THAT RACE.

In your view a white working class mother of three kids living in an impoverished mining town in West Virginia has privilege, but the black millionare Spike Lee who grew up in a wealthy family does not. In your view, the white mechanic that busts his knuckles fixing carsat minimum wage to provide for his family is a privileged person that the black wife of the POTUS just envies for all the privileges he has over her.

ROFLMAO

That is the biggest nonsense I have ever read that was asserted in all seriousness, well, at least since Mein Kamph which you would probably like too.
 
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It is quite amusing to see myself described as a liberal. You miss my point. There is no reason why black people cannot be every bit as successful as anyone else.

Yes there is. Blacks are STUPID. That's why on all standardized tests blacks are always at the bottom. Don't tell me the tests are culturally biased towards whites unless you can explain why asians do so well on the tests.

not knowing you I can only hope you can't be serious here.
 
I never stated race was based on science.

It is a social construction

Congratulations; thus race is something that can be erased from human consciousness except that race baiting fools keep it going by forcing people to 'belong' to a race whether they want to or not.


and because of how it evolved and how whites have had privileges I have discussed why it is good to acknowledge that.

Except that white working class people have not had any such privileges. That you continue to group all these people together purely on the basis of an unscientific analysis shows that racialism is the core of your view of the world which makes you a RACIST, regardless of what race you are.


Again, you do not know me, please try not to make conjectures about who I am.

I am merely interpreting what you write, and that is almost entirely racist screeds based on some flawed psuedoscience that you recognise as psuedoscience, but you use it anyway.

I have not speculated on anything about your race.

I am only discussing the topic of white privilege and would appreciate if you would stick to that topic. :cool:

Lol, you want to engage in a discussion that starts with a concession that a fiction, a made up unscientific grouping of people into so-called races is valid and that ALL PEOPLE OF ONE OF THOSE RACES HAVE PRIVILEGE BY MERELY BEING A MEMBER OF THAT RACE.

In your view a white working class mother of three kids living in an impoverished mining town in West Virginia has privilege, but the black millionare Spike Lee who grew up in a wealthy family does not. In your view, the white mechanic that busts his knuckles fixing carsat minimum wage to provide for his family is a privileged person that the black wife of the POTUS just envies for all the privileges he has over her.

ROFLMAO

That is the biggest nonsense I have ever read that was asserted in all seriousness, well, at least since Mein Kamph which you would probably like too.

Everything in society is socially constructed, that does not mean that it has no effect on the human condition.

White privilege still continues in our society and I provided instances in where that happens, you replied you could care a less.

We are just going in circles because you don't want to see what I am saying.

That is a common theme in white denial about white privilege, it is fear based and shuts down any honest discussion.

Daily effects of white privilege White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh

There is no point for me to further engage with you because you are not willing to discuss the topic on any honest level.

Have a good evening. :cool:
 
White privilege still continues in our society and I provided instances in where that happens, you replied you could care a less.

That people tend to prefer the company of other people they perceive as being like themselves is totally natural and has nothing to do with privilege. Go to any third world country that does not have a white majority and you will see 'brown privilege' all over the place by your ridiculous criteria.

We are just going in circles because you don't want to see what I am saying.

I perfectly well understand what you are saying and I reject it as contrived, guilt-bondage.

That is a common theme in white denial about white privilege, it is fear based and shuts down any honest discussion.

Acusing people of denial when you have not responded to their questions and have ignored their counter-points is the classic claim of a stubborn ideologue who cant see anything other than their own point of view.

You still have not essplained to me how a white working class coal miner who's job is being abolished by EPA decree is more privileged than Mrs Obama whose husband is leading the effort to destroy coal jobs. Where is that privilege?

Oh, waith, there is none because you can only make your case if you are looking at people through the prism of race. That is called 'RACISM'. You deny it, but racists these days usually do out of shame.

There is no point for me to further engage with you because you are not willing to discuss the topic on any honest level.

I have responded to your cut and pasted or linked lists and articles. I dont have time to respond item by item, but I did at least respond, unlike how you have ignored all my points and simply regurgitated your own talking points.

The notion of white privilege is just another way of saying 'white racism' and that is no more than another tactic of racist agit-ptop and nonsense.
 

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