Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[Cellblock2429]

I know that, and you know that, but a lot of people, especially the young (who think that they are immortal) do not know that, until they have a pre-existing condition, at which point, it is too late. Universal Health insurance on the Medicare model bypasses all that. everyone pays their fair share and everyone is covered. In the meantime, employers no longer have to bear the burden of paying for it, which makes Ford more competitive with Hyundai.

Auto insurance is Mandatory for the young too. So should health insurance be.

What the hell are we arguing about? LOL

if we're going to have mandatory health insurance, we might as well go Medicare for all and cut the costs....

So you want to push 150mil people off their plans that they like? How about people may keep their plan and those who want to may go to the public option?

That's my thought as well - we need a public OPTION to be available, not a public ONLY mandate. I think everyone should be able to have affordable insurance. That would be the goal.

/——/ Tort reform and get the gubmint out of healthcare.

 

[JoeB131]

• Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.

• Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.

• Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.

• Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Okay, here's the problem with those arguments.

1) Most people who have private insurance have them through their jobs.. They lose their jobs, they lose their insurance. They are hardly "Ingrained". In fact, only 5% of Americans get insurance through private policies.

2. Education isn't the issue here. When was the last time you had an American doctor? At one point, I had three doctors named "Patel", that's how few Americans are going to Medical School anymore.

Fixing our education system is a completely separate issue.

3. Yes, if you have a shitload of money, you can get really good care. You can also get a nice car, a nice house and a hot spouse half your age. What is your fucking point?

The point is, with private insurance through your employer, you get whatever they decide to give you, and because these insurance companies are about making money, they use all sort of tricks to not pay.

 

[sparky]

The point is, with private insurance through your employer, you get whatever they decide to give you, and because these insurance companies are about making money, they use all sort of tricks to not pay.

everyone misses that employers not hampered by such restraints would be free to employ more, as well as offer more $$$

~S~

 

[dblack]

The main thing is, we should make our health care a political issue. So we can fight about it every election. Good times.

 

[JoeB131]

The main thing is, we should make our health care a political issue. So we can fight about it every election. Good times.

Awesome.

As opposed to having it controlled by big corporations, who are completely immune to the will of the voters? Is this the alternative the Koch Brothers have told you are a good thing?

 

[dblack]

The main thing is, we should make our health care a political issue. So we can fight about it every election. Good times.

Awesome.

As opposed to having it controlled by big corporations, who are completely immune to the will of the voters? Is this the alternative the Koch Brothers have told you are a good thing?

Yes, yes. Life is a choice between being owned by a corporation or government.

Sorry, I'll choose neither. The slave mentality is nonsense. Shake it off, Joe.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, yes. Life is a choice between being owned by a corporation or government.

Sorry, I'll choose neither. The slave mentality is nonsense. Shake it off, Joe.

So you are going to happily go off and die when you have a medical condition that exceeds your ability to pay medical bills?

"I'm free... freeeeeeee..." Ack.. Gasp... Croak!!!!

 

[dblack]

Yes, yes. Life is a choice between being owned by a corporation or government.

Sorry, I'll choose neither. The slave mentality is nonsense. Shake it off, Joe.

So you are going to happily go off and die when you have a medical condition that exceeds your ability to pay medical bills?

"I'm free... freeeeeeee..." Ack.. Gasp... Croak!!!!

The world isn't binary, Joe. We don't have to choose between socialism and fascism. I'm fighting both.

 

[JoeB131]

The world isn't binary, Joe. We don't have to choose between socialism and fascism. I'm fighting both.

Single payer health care is neither.

So these are your options.

1) Die when your medical conditions exceed the ability of your revenue to pay.

2) Get a private health care plan, and hope the greedy bastards running it don't decide that they can delay your treatment until you die to try to make a profit.

3) Go to a single payer system accountable to the people in national elections every two years.

I guess that's a "Trinary" view, but if you have a fourth option, I'd love to hear it.

 

[francoHFW]

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

The solution is there but must be accepted by the socialists, fascists and government supremacists

The Wonders of Free Market Health Care

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socialists are in favor of universal Health Care, the only people in the modern world who are not is the GOP, brainwashed functional moron. Ditto global warming ditto taxing the rich more than other people,ditto living wage daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good infrastructure and vacations. Wake up and smell the coffee you name it they suck. Every other modern country has that stuff including Australia New Zealand.

What did you call me?

What I call all GOP voters, brain-washed functional morons.everything you know is garbage propaganda, total misinformation phony scandals and conspiracies.... The most important story of the last 30 years in US politics.

Yes, we all know.

Projection is your middle name.

Fuck off.

What, no actual argument? I am stunned LOL. Breaking for right-wing propaganda enthusiasts: Hillary bill Obama Lerner the FBI are all honest, and we have a flat tax system if you count all taxes, a gigantic giveaway to the rich. Everything you know is wrong LOL.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, yes. Life is a choice between being owned by a corporation or government.

Sorry, I'll choose neither. The slave mentality is nonsense. Shake it off, Joe.

So you are going to happily go off and die when you have a medical condition that exceeds your ability to pay medical bills?

"I'm free... freeeeeeee..." Ack.. Gasp... Croak!!!!

The world isn't binary, Joe. We don't have to choose between socialism and fascism. I'm fighting both.

Just as long as you know that communism is left-wing dictatorship, fascism is right wing dictatorship, and socialism is known everywhere in the world but GOP America as simply always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net...."we are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed....

 

[francoHFW]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

The solution is there but must be accepted by the socialists, fascists and government supremacists

The Wonders of Free Market Health Care

.

socialists are in favor of universal Health Care, the only people in the modern world who are not is the GOP, brainwashed functional moron. Ditto global warming ditto taxing the rich more than other people,ditto living wage daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good infrastructure and vacations. Wake up and smell the coffee you name it they suck. Every other modern country has that stuff including Australia New Zealand.

Yes, yes, yes

I forgot the parasitic war cry

The producers, the taxpayers owe us a living .

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They pay the same percentage in all taxes as everyone else does, super duper. And they don't produce jobs. They produce money for themselves.Democratic rich people want to raise taxes on the rich so we can invest in America and Americans again. You don't know any of that stuff LOL. You believe a load of crap from greedy idiot Rich GOP billionaires Rupert Murdoch and all the other perverts LOL.

 

[dblack]

The world isn't binary, Joe. We don't have to choose between socialism and fascism. I'm fighting both.

Single payer health care is neither.

So these are your options.

1) Die when your medical conditions exceed the ability of your revenue to pay.

2) Get a private health care plan, and hope the greedy bastards running it don't decide that they can delay your treatment until you die to try to make a profit.

3) Go to a single payer system accountable to the people in national elections every two years.

I guess that's a "Trinary" view, but if you have a fourth option, I'd love to hear it.

No, those are the options you are limiting yourself to. Take off your blinders.

 

[dblack]

Yes, yes. Life is a choice between being owned by a corporation or government.

Sorry, I'll choose neither. The slave mentality is nonsense. Shake it off, Joe.

So you are going to happily go off and die when you have a medical condition that exceeds your ability to pay medical bills?

"I'm free... freeeeeeee..." Ack.. Gasp... Croak!!!!

The world isn't binary, Joe. We don't have to choose between socialism and fascism. I'm fighting both.

Just as long as you know that communism is left-wing dictatorship, fascism is right wing dictatorship, and socialism is known everywhere in the world but GOP America as simply always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net...."we are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed....

Play with the labels all you like. I don't want government in charge of health care.

 

[JoeB131]

No, those are the options you are limiting yourself to. Take off your blinders.

What's your fourth option? Again, would love to hear it.

One more time.

You have a medical condition that exceeds your resources to pay for.

do you.

1) Dutifully die to not be a burden on society.
2) Take a chance that the insurance you paid for won't try to rip you off, especially after you are no longer able to work and pay for it.
3) Support a single payer government system where your right to health care is guaranteed.

Waiting for Option 4.

The one that involved Rainbow Farting Libertarian Unicorns.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, yes. Life is a choice between being owned by a corporation or government.

Sorry, I'll choose neither. The slave mentality is nonsense. Shake it off, Joe.

So you are going to happily go off and die when you have a medical condition that exceeds your ability to pay medical bills?

"I'm free... freeeeeeee..." Ack.. Gasp... Croak!!!!

The world isn't binary, Joe. We don't have to choose between socialism and fascism. I'm fighting both.

Just as long as you know that communism is left-wing dictatorship, fascism is right wing dictatorship, and socialism is known everywhere in the world but GOP America as simply always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net...."we are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed....

Play with the labels all you like. I don't want government in charge of health care.

In charge of regulating Healthcare....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

The solution is there but must be accepted by the socialists, fascists and government supremacists

The Wonders of Free Market Health Care

.

socialists are in favor of universal Health Care, the only people in the modern world who are not is the GOP, brainwashed functional moron. Ditto global warming ditto taxing the rich more than other people,ditto living wage daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good infrastructure and vacations. Wake up and smell the coffee you name it they suck. Every other modern country has that stuff including Australia New Zealand.

What did you call me?

What I call all GOP voters, brain-washed functional morons.everything you know is garbage propaganda, total misinformation phony scandals and conspiracies.... The most important story of the last 30 years in US politics.

Yeah. You’re a real winner...

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

• Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.

• Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.

• Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.

• Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Okay, here's the problem with those arguments.

1) Most people who have private insurance have them through their jobs.. They lose their jobs, they lose their insurance. They are hardly "Ingrained". In fact, only 5% of Americans get insurance through private policies.

2. Education isn't the issue here. When was the last time you had an American doctor? At one point, I had three doctors named "Patel", that's how few Americans are going to Medical School anymore.

Fixing our education system is a completely separate issue.

3. Yes, if you have a shitload of money, you can get really good care. You can also get a nice car, a nice house and a hot spouse half your age. What is your fucking point?

The point is, with private insurance through your employer, you get whatever they decide to give you, and because these insurance companies are about making money, they use all sort of tricks to not pay.

Here is the thing. I have Always had American doctors. Jews, actually. The ones you want to kill. Here is another thing, over 150mil are on private pay through their jobs, correct.

Here is the last thing. F off. Loser.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The solution is there but must be accepted by the socialists, fascists and government supremacists

The Wonders of Free Market Health Care

.

socialists are in favor of universal Health Care, the only people in the modern world who are not is the GOP, brainwashed functional moron. Ditto global warming ditto taxing the rich more than other people,ditto living wage daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good infrastructure and vacations. Wake up and smell the coffee you name it they suck. Every other modern country has that stuff including Australia New Zealand.

What did you call me?

What I call all GOP voters, brain-washed functional morons.everything you know is garbage propaganda, total misinformation phony scandals and conspiracies.... The most important story of the last 30 years in US politics.

Yes, we all know.

Projection is your middle name.

Fuck off.

What, no actual argument? I am stunned LOL. Breaking for right-wing propaganda enthusiasts: Hillary bill Obama Lerner the FBI are all honest, and we have a flat tax system if you count all taxes, a gigantic giveaway to the rich. Everything you know is wrong LOL.

Funny, how I said I support Tulsi and you called her the enemy as well and she is certainly not a Republican. Franco, you old asshole, everyone to you is a moron who does not agree with you 100% in terms of your political views. That just makes you an asshole.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

The solution is there but must be accepted by the socialists, fascists and government supremacists

The Wonders of Free Market Health Care

.

socialists are in favor of universal Health Care, the only people in the modern world who are not is the GOP, brainwashed functional moron. Ditto global warming ditto taxing the rich more than other people,ditto living wage daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good infrastructure and vacations. Wake up and smell the coffee you name it they suck. Every other modern country has that stuff including Australia New Zealand.

Yes, yes, yes

I forgot the parasitic war cry

The producers, the taxpayers owe us a living .

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They pay the same percentage in all taxes as everyone else does, super duper. And they don't produce jobs. They produce money for themselves.Democratic rich people want to raise taxes on the rich so we can invest in America and Americans again. You don't know any of that stuff LOL. You believe a load of crap from greedy idiot Rich GOP billionaires Rupert Murdoch and all the other perverts LOL.

Hold on. Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos don’t produce jobs?! LMAO. You’re a dysfunctional moron.