Unpatriotic Dems In Virginia Erases Confederate Holiday

1. You are the one conflating the Lost Cause movement with tens of millions of good southern people who, while not Lost Causers, are proud of their heritage and culture. YOu, not me.


2. They are focusing on certain aspects of the Confederacy, such as the bravery and skill and service of the Confederate fighting men. This is not lying. We all pick and choose what to celebrate in our history and culture. ALL cultures do this. Indeed, it is part of progress.
Southern people who conspired to enforce Jim Crow second class citizenship after they no longer could have slaves

Oh, democrats?

Yeah, democrats are real scum. Always were, always will be. They're doing the Jim Crow shit again, but this time against white people. Fucking vermin....
Southerners

Southerners owned slaves for 200 years before the Democratic Party was formed


Again, liberals show that they never learned as toddlers, how generalizations work.

No cause and effect demonstrated
Sure there is:
Cause:leftist wanting a rallying point to mobilize and promote Marxism.
Effect: people who call for "tolerance " acting intolerant and promotes the communist ideal of creating the "new communist man" by manipulation and re-education about things like history. Without a history we are not a people. But that's what the Marxist left wants...revolution. The left in this country are a threat to national security and our Constitution.
 
If they use that image to misrepresent that figure, then it's dishonest. And no one has the right to be dishonest.


No. I agree that it was simply the right thing to do. And we should hasten to add, his plea to not put statues up was part of that work at reconciliation. It's an honorable goal. Honorable goals should not be disrespected.

I'm not sure there is such a thing as "moral authority" unless it refers to an accepted precept such as ... honoring the wishes of the dead. I don't think people can "own" moral authority. It simply IS.



1. Misrepresent? Who or what is doing that?

2. So, you cite Lee as an Authority to defer to, but can't explain why. That is disappointing. I can only conclude that you cited him, because he agreed with you. Me? I consider him an important historical figure and a great American historical figure.

Both of these have been answered, repeatedly.

1- the LCC (Lost Cause Cult)

2 - Explained above -- To the extent he's an "authority to defer to" it's his image and his request. Some third party cannot overrule one's own request of one's own image. That just isn't valid. Sure they can go ahead and put that statue up anyway, but they cannot do so without countermanding those wishes, and that remains. Forever.




1. Southern Pride and Heritage is not Lost Cause. Your claim otherwise is you misrepresenting tens of millions of good southern people, indeed, scores of millions of good Americans who support Historical Statues.

You mean those good God Fearin, Christian Southerners who enslaved other human beings and then denied them basic human rights for another 100yrs. You are talking about those Good Southerners.



2. But he does not own his image. He was a public figure and he is an historical figure of great importance. It is completely reasonable that he would be included in any movement to memorialize the service of the Confederates. I thought I might be getting though to you, but you wiggled away

You're right he is a historic figure, a man that will be forever known as a traitor.



1. No, I was clearly talking about modern Southerns, who are good people, and want to be abe to celebrate their history and culture like everyone else. It is telling that you have to work so hard to avoid what I am actually saying, to even pretend to defend your position.

Who wants to celebrate folks who enslaved folks and enacted Jim Crow Laws to discriminate against others.

2. He and all the Confederates were forgiven and pardoned long ago, by the very people that actually fought and defeated them. Your pretense of caring about that, is not credible. This is about your hatred and bigotry against modern Southern whites, and you know it.

Who were they forgiven and pardoned by? Andrew Johnson, another racist POS that was a Southerner. That would be like a Nazi pardoning Hitler and saying all is forgiven. These clowns were racist traitors and putting up statues and monuments for fools like you isn't going to change that.
 
You are FAR more racist than Robert E. Lee, who never owned a slave in his life, was. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson said "Slavery is an abomination in the eyes of almighty God."

Because you are stupid, a racist, and an ignorant bigot, you seek to erase history - not just through the DNC Taliban destroying artwork, but also the facts of history.

Lee took up arms against the United States of America you ignorant fool. Stop reading His-Story and learn some real damn history for a change.

Lee personally owned slaves that he inherited upon the death of his mother, Ann Lee, in 1829. (His son, Robert E. Lee Jr., gave the number as three or four families.) Following the death of his father-in-law, George Washington Parke Custis, in 1857, Lee assumed command...

Myths & Misunderstandings | Lee as a slaveholder ...
acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-lee-slaveholder
Lee was a nasty slaveholder


He was an icon of reconciliation and unity.
He didn’t have any choice

He was lucky he wasn’t thrown in jail with Jeff Davis


He lost, surrendered and became a icon of reconciliation and unity. Our ancestors, the ones that actually fought and defeated the South, accepted that and supported it.

And that set the tone and policy of the nation as a whole for the next 5 generations.

Really, since they couldn't own slaves anymore they enacted Jim Crow racism. Yea that was real unity.

What moral authority do you have, that is greater than that of the men that fought and defeated the Confederacy, and freed the slaves?

Has nothing to do with moral authority, when you take up arms against a sovereign nation you are a traitor. Also what moral authority do you have to try and justify immoral folks treatment of other human beings.
 
Okay, so remove all monuments to Obama.

Then what?
It's an attack on our history that must be preserved for future generations warts and all.

Here we are in a civil war again. What was that about those who fail to learn from history?

The Antebellum South was a horrible society. Feudalism where a tiny monied elite had absolute control of state governments and preyed on the populace at large. Georgia with the small holder act that allowed large plantations to literally steal land from small farmers. Poor whites fared worse than black slaves. I have nothing good to say about the south. BUT erasing history is what the Taliban and other tyrants do.

Poor whites fared worse than black slaves, Smfh. That has to be one of the stupidest statements ever made on this message board.

It’s all part of Lost Cause Revisionist history

Did you know that Whites were slaves too?
That makes four million black slaves OK

Nope, but it makes black victimhood less meaningful. 150 years ago blacks were treated like shit by democrats.

Actually they were treated like shit by WHITE Southerners and that wasn't 150yrs ago.

Now everyone is treated like shit by democrats.

Yea because these good God fearin republicans treat everybody great. Smfh.
 
Lee took up arms against the United States of America you ignorant fool. Stop reading His-Story and learn some real damn history for a change.

Lee personally owned slaves that he inherited upon the death of his mother, Ann Lee, in 1829. (His son, Robert E. Lee Jr., gave the number as three or four families.) Following the death of his father-in-law, George Washington Parke Custis, in 1857, Lee assumed command...

Myths & Misunderstandings | Lee as a slaveholder ...
acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-lee-slaveholder


Lee got rid of the slaves and lost the war. YOu are still in full traitor and racist mode, so, uncensored's point could still be pretty much on.

Did Lee own slaves?

Did Lee take up arms against the United States of America?

Yeah, you said that. And then I pointed out how he changed in life, while you are currently working to tear this nation apart.

So, like I said, uncensored point is likely on. As you know, or you would have directly challenged it.

Actually what Pothead ("Uncensored") said was that Lee, quote, "never owned a slave in his life".

He was wrong about that, and Brutha did directly challenge it.


And yet, Lee, as I said, lost, surrendered and later redeemed himself by becoming a national icon of reconciliation and unity, while superbruther is actively trying to tear this nation apart, so, uncensored's point could still be pretty much on.

Really, tell us what Lee actually did to reconcile and unite the country. Please enlighten us.

How many times, do I have to say the same thing, before you libs actually get it? Do you have to reapply those concrete plugs in your ears, every morning, or are they permanent?

You're talking loud, but you ain't saying shit.
 
1. You are the one conflating the Lost Cause movement with tens of millions of good southern people who, while not Lost Causers, are proud of their heritage and culture. YOu, not me.


2. They are focusing on certain aspects of the Confederacy, such as the bravery and skill and service of the Confederate fighting men. This is not lying. We all pick and choose what to celebrate in our history and culture. ALL cultures do this. Indeed, it is part of progress.
Southern people who conspired to enforce Jim Crow second class citizenship after they no longer could have slaves

Oh, democrats?

Yeah, democrats [sic] are real scum. Always were, always will be. They're doing the Jim Crow shit again, but this time against white people. Fucking vermin....
Southerners

Southerners owned slaves for 200 years before the Democratic Party was formed

Longer than that. The first African slaves brought to (what is now the) US arrived in (what is now).....

OMG, who the fuck cares? Slavery is not the only history in the world. Slavery is not the only story in the world. GIVE IT A FUCKING BREAK!

We are in America Jack and some of us grew up during Jim Crow, so trying to downplay that shit as if it wasn't a big deal is bullshit. I guess when you aren't on the receiving end of racism it is easy to blow it off as nothing.
 
It is a history of hate and disgrace
And the democratic [sic] party.

Once again --- the Confederacy never had any political parties.

There's nothing you can do about that.

Actually Jefferson Davis served in the US Senate and House of Representatives as a Democrat.

-- Which was not in the Confederacy.
You can kinda tell by the name -- "US".
He represented the US State of Mississippi in those positions.

In the USA. Not in the CSA.
 
Pogo...Are you for erasing Confederate history? If so, why?
It is a history of hate and disgrace
And the democratic party.
Of Southern hatred and bigotry

Bigotry that existed for two hundred years before the Democratic Party
What does any of that have to do with this Orwellian, Soviet style attempt to destroy history? Why are people acting like the Taliban and destroying statues? I know you're a hard core leftist communitst. But those like you and other unpatriotic individuals have no right to destroy our national history.

Why in the hell would you honor men that were traitors to the country. I don't give a damn if that was your great, great grandfather or not. Do you think Birmingham, AL should have a statue or monument of Bull Connor on display.
 
Pogo...Are you for erasing Confederate history? If so, why?
It is a history of hate and disgrace
And the democratic party.
Of Southern hatred and bigotry

Bigotry that existed for two hundred years before the Democratic Party
What does any of that have to do with this Orwellian, Soviet style attempt to destroy history? Why are people acting like the Taliban and destroying statues? I know you're a hard core leftist communitst. But those like you and other unpatriotic individuals have no right to destroy our national history.
The history that has been destroyed is the revisionist history of the Confederacy as a honorable institution. It was one on the worst countries ever conceived in the history of mankind
 
On the other hand...Abraham Lincoln, most Northerner's hero, was a Republican.

And before that, a Whig.

You remember the Whigs -- the reason (one of them) that historical revisionist wankers in this thread are wrong when they fantasize about Democratic Party domination in the South, which didn't commence until after the War --- the party that believed in doing big things with government, the party of Jefferson Davis' vice-president, the group that won Tennessee, Virginia and Kentucky in 1860....
 
Lee took up arms against the United States of America you ignorant fool. Stop reading His-Story and learn some real damn history for a change.

Lee personally owned slaves that he inherited upon the death of his mother, Ann Lee, in 1829. (His son, Robert E. Lee Jr., gave the number as three or four families.) Following the death of his father-in-law, George Washington Parke Custis, in 1857, Lee assumed command...

Myths & Misunderstandings | Lee as a slaveholder ...
acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-lee-slaveholder


Lee got rid of the slaves and lost the war. YOu are still in full traitor and racist mode, so, uncensored's point could still be pretty much on.

Did Lee own slaves?

Did Lee take up arms against the United States of America?

Yeah, you said that. And then I pointed out how he changed in life, while you are currently working to tear this nation apart.

So, like I said, uncensored point is likely on. As you know, or you would have directly challenged it.

Actually what Pothead ("Uncensored") said was that Lee, quote, "never owned a slave in his life".

He was wrong about that, and Brutha did directly challenge it.


And yet, Lee, as I said, lost, surrendered and later redeemed himself by becoming a national icon of reconciliation and unity, while superbruther is actively trying to tear this nation apart, so, uncensored's point could still be pretty much on.

"National icon" might be a bit hyperventilative but yes, he did that, and deserves to be recognized that he did. Which, again, proscribes putting up graven images in his name which he specifically discouraged in advance AS PART OF that reconciliatory stance. Ergo to ignore those wishes and plunk him on a building with arms folded confronting the north, is a direct spit in the face OF that stance. It directly contradicts what he ended up standing for.

Meanwhile speaking of lies and using people's images to tell them, we continue to see stuff like this dropped around this site like so much confetti:

robert-byrd.jpg

-- another case of a racist who reformed, loudly and longly, whose legacy gets perverted by self-serving propagandists for their own jollies despite actual biography.

But this thread/discussion is not about individuals; it's about a collective, specifically a cult. But within that cult, the direct ignorance of the intentions of one of its major figures, intentions you yourself just articulated, demonstrates the naked dishonesty of the propaganda therein.

So you can't have it both ways --- EITHER Robert E.Lee remained a lifelong evil ogre with nothing but negative baggage, OR he came around to see what was needed for his country. IF the latter is the case, THEN that makes the propagandist cult, by perverting his reconciliatory intentions, the ones who are dishonoring history. And it makes those communities like New Orleans, by removing those dishonest perversions, the ones honoring it.

"Recording" that history is of course out of the question and always has been. History has never in all of time been recorded in statues. History is news --- neutral, just the facts. Statues and monuments are editorials --- opinions ABOUT that news.

As for Pothead, his ass-ertion that Lee "never owned a slave in his life" was and still is PROVABLY WRONG. And it was proven so. That too is perverting history. By floating easily disprovable myths Pothead is engaging in the same dishonest propaganda as the LCC. Lee did own slaves and that doesn't go away because he changed his views later, just as Byrd did join the Klan and that doesn't go away because he changed his. But both DID take that course of redemption and neither end of that journey can be ignored just because some wanker wants to float mythology on a message board. So no, his point is not at all "pretty much on", it's BULLSHIT.

How many times, do I have to say the same thing, before you libs actually get it? Do you have to reapply those concrete plugs in your ears, every morning, or are they permanent?

What, because I've been agreeing with you about Robert E. Lee's change of heart?

SMGDFH :banghead:
 
-- Which was not in the Confederacy.
What was not in the confederacy Pogo?...democrats sure were, anyone else ya can think of?

There were no "democrats" --- or even Democrats (learn the difference) in the Confederacy. There were no Republicans, no Whigs, no Constitutional Unionists, no Know Nothings, no Federalists, no Democratic Republicans, no NOTHING. The Confederacy lasted all of four years and it never developed ANY political parties Neither did this country in ITS first four (and more) years (Wash(ington's political party was ... what?)

The post I answered that you cut out, said this:

Actually Jefferson Davis served in the US Senate and House of Representatives as a Democrat.

As answered, the US Senate and House of Representatives, were and still are by definition part of the government of the USA --- Not the CSA.
 
Correct, they are not the same thing. Therefore do not conflate them.

"Southern pride and heritage" is a cultural entity, a living breathing one. It lives in families, language, foods, music, customs and all the various manifestations of culture. For me it lives in my cousins, deceased parents aunts and uncles, places they took us, the food they fed us, the Stars and Bars I inherited from my mother, songs we played together, the very house I live in, and by the way it's absolutely subdivided into distinct and diverse regional cultures. The Cult of the Lost Cause on the other hand is a deceitful dishonest propaganda campaign designed to whitewash history.


So ---- "the state", or "the campaign" owns people now? Does said state or campaign get to determine how you will dress, wear your hair or beard and where you will live in life? It must, if it gets to edit your wishes to the opposite of what they were in death once you're out of the way to object.

It's an incontrovertible FACT that Robert E. Lee specifically opined that such statues NOT be erected. That means, because "one equals one", that those who do erect Lee statues are specifically disrespecting him while claiming by their action to do the opposite. At the very least, purporting themselves to be better judges of what Reconciliation than Lee himself, the very object they supposedly seek to glorify.

But they're not glorifying Lee, are they. They're glorifying their own historical bullshit. Lee put them in that position, and they went ahead and did it anyway, in the example posted yesterday in New Orleans, with his arms folded facing North in defiant confrontational posture, stark contrast to Lee's actual wish for reconciliation (that you yourself correctly cited). There's only one reason to do that, and it's outright lying about history. It's selling propaganda on the back of a dead man who's not around to object any more.

Long story short --- that statue wasn't removed because it was Lee. It was removed because it's a Lie.



1. You are the one conflating the Lost Cause movement with tens of millions of good southern people who, while not Lost Causers, are proud of their heritage and culture. YOu, not me.


2. They are focusing on certain aspects of the Confederacy, such as the bravery and skill and service of the Confederate fighting men. This is not lying. We all pick and choose what to celebrate in our history and culture. ALL cultures do this. Indeed, it is part of progress.
Southern people who conspired to enforce Jim Crow second class citizenship after they no longer could have slaves

Oh, democrats?

Yeah, democrats are real scum. Always were, always will be. They're doing the Jim Crow shit again, but this time against white people. Fucking vermin....
Southerners

Southerners owned slaves for 200 years before the Democratic Party was formed


Again, liberals show that they never learned as toddlers, how generalizations work.

Generalizations are by definition fallacies. The post quoted actually understated the timeline and it was put there in correction to the mythology of associating a political party with Slavery. In actual fact the overwhelming majority of slave owners/traders had no political party at all, both because none was needed for a nonpolitical activity, and not least of which because NONE EXISTED.

Not to mention exponentially greater numbers of Africans that were shipped to other places that to this day have never had a Democratic Party at all, yet somehow found a way to buy and sell human cargo.

So that's how the mythological and fallacious generalization of trying to pin Slavery on a political party goes down in flames. Kablooey.
 
1. You are the one conflating the Lost Cause movement with tens of millions of good southern people who, while not Lost Causers, are proud of their heritage and culture. YOu, not me.


2. They are focusing on certain aspects of the Confederacy, such as the bravery and skill and service of the Confederate fighting men. This is not lying. We all pick and choose what to celebrate in our history and culture. ALL cultures do this. Indeed, it is part of progress.
Southern people who conspired to enforce Jim Crow second class citizenship after they no longer could have slaves

Oh, democrats?

Yeah, democrats [sic] are real scum. Always were, always will be. They're doing the Jim Crow shit again, but this time against white people. Fucking vermin....
Southerners

Southerners owned slaves for 200 years before the Democratic Party was formed

Longer than that. The first African slaves brought to (what is now the) US arrived in (what is now).....

OMG, who the fuck cares? Slavery is not the only history in the world. Slavery is not the only story in the world. GIVE IT A FUCKING BREAK!

So you're resigning from the thread? It's not really traditional to use the word "fucking" in a resignation letter but OK.

And once again you cut out the inconvenient bits.

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Let's fill in for our studio audience, and all the folks at home, what you edited out of there.

>> ... South Carolina in 1526, precisely 250 years before the Declaration of Independence, let alone a country or any political parties. And of course at the same time they were being brought, in much greater numbers, to the Caribbean, Central and South America, where no such Democratic Party ever did exist.

This factoid will also sail blithely over Pothead's hood. He can't imagine a world not mired in his juvenile two-party dichotomy fallacy where parties don't even exist. Even now he's composing another post-turd about "your shameful party" to fling at somebody who doesn't have one. <<
 
Southerners

Southerners owned slaves for 200 years before the Democratic Party was formed

Yep, democrats.

The Antebellum South was like California today, 100% democrat controlled. The methods and goals really haven't changed in all that time. Scumbag Newsom is making the whole state into a plantation under the Silicone Valley Oligarchs.

Once AGAIN Pothead pulls his history out of his ass.

That "Solid (Democratic) South" didn't happen until AFTER the Civil War, Dingo.


:rofl:

What a dumbfuck.

{
While the Republicans united behind Lincoln in 1860, the Democrats began to split along sectional lines. Southern Democrats demanded more protection for slavery as part of the party platform. Northern Democrats, feeling they had already gone too far to gain the goodwill of the South, refused these demands. Unable to agree, the two sides split. The Southerners nominated Vice President John C. Breckinridge (1821–1875) on a platform promising protection and even promotion of slavery in all the territories; the Northerners nominated Douglas. Dissatisfied with both these alternatives, a group of border-state moderates formed yet another party, the Constitutional Union movement, with a platform that offered little more than a veiled promise to stick to the middle ground on slavery issues.

Republicans worked hard for Lincoln, promoting an image of their candidate as a man of the people and an American success story. Buoyed by a party platform that artfully combined opposition to the “slave power conspiracy” with an appeal to important special interests, Lincoln won every free state in the Union on election day, securing a clear majority and winning the election.}

Political Parties of the Antebellum Era | Encyclopedia.com

You might be ignorant Sluggo, but at least you're full of shit.. :thup:
 
It's an attack on our history that must be preserved for future generations warts and all.

Here we are in a civil war again. What was that about those who fail to learn from history?

The Antebellum South was a horrible society. Feudalism where a tiny monied elite had absolute control of state governments and preyed on the populace at large. Georgia with the small holder act that allowed large plantations to literally steal land from small farmers. Poor whites fared worse than black slaves. I have nothing good to say about the south. BUT erasing history is what the Taliban and other tyrants do.

Poor whites fared worse than black slaves, Smfh. That has to be one of the stupidest statements ever made on this message board.

It’s all part of Lost Cause Revisionist history

Did you know that Whites were slaves too?
That makes four million black slaves OK

Nope, but it makes black victimhood less meaningful. 150 years ago blacks were treated like shit by democrats.

Actually they were treated like shit by WHITE Southerners and that wasn't 150yrs ago.

Now everyone is treated like shit by democrats.

Yea because these good God fearin republicans treat everybody great. Smfh.

Actually it was DEMOCRATS and Republicans made the scum stop keeping people as slaves - something you scum have never forgiven us for.
 
Pogo...Are you for erasing Confederate history? If so, why?
It is a history of hate and disgrace
And the democratic party.
Of Southern hatred and bigotry

Bigotry that existed for two hundred years before the Democratic Party
What does any of that have to do with this Orwellian, Soviet style attempt to destroy history? Why are people acting like the Taliban and destroying statues? I know you're a hard core leftist communitst. But those like you and other unpatriotic individuals have no right to destroy our national history.

Why in the hell would you honor men that were traitors to the country. I don't give a damn if that was your great, great grandfather or not. Do you think Birmingham, AL should have a statue or monument of Bull Connor on display.

Doesn't the DNC already have one? What about Albert Gore? Fritz Hollings, Robert Byrd, Orval Faubus? All great democrats. Of course "great democrat" is like "great raw sewage."
 
Pogo...Are you for erasing Confederate history? If so, why?
It is a history of hate and disgrace
And the democratic party.
Of Southern hatred and bigotry

Bigotry that existed for two hundred years before the Democratic Party
What does any of that have to do with this Orwellian, Soviet style attempt to destroy history?

That's an accurate characterization. Indeed the Cult of the Lost Cause anticipated Orwell's maxim "who controls the past controls the future". So they set about the task of controlling the past by feverishly throwing up statues and monuments, memorializing the glorious Klan and literally rewriting history books until the Civil War became perverted to "the War of Northern Aggression", because We Have Always Been At War with Yankeedom.

And of course the degrading misery of the true Slavery experience in the LCC becomes thee unevent that never happened. Ignorance is Strength.

Orwell didn't write all that down until 1949. The Lost Cause Cult was way ahead of him.


Why are people acting like the Taliban and destroying statues? I know you're a hard core leftist communitst. But those like you and other unpatriotic individuals have no right to destroy our national history.

Right again, the Cult of the Lost Cause had no right to destroy and pervert our national history. It took too long but they're finally getting their comeuppance. Thanks for noticing.

Oh by the way no statues have been "destroyed". They've been moved off of the PUBLIC SPACES they were deliberately placed in for maximum effect as propaganda transmitters. Like this one, deliberately placed at the literally busiest spot in the city:

liberty-place-monument.jpg

That's the foot of Canal Street (the widest street in the US), where the famous New Orleans streetcar turns around to make its return. The monument commemorates an insurrection by a white supremacist group called the White League that took over the city and state government by force in protest of a biracial elected government. It was the first one New Orleans got rid of. And yet ---- they didn't "destroy" it. It's in some warehouse somewhere, and good riddance.

Not even this LCC monument was "destroyed" ----

kkk-plaque-1.jpg

That's a tribute to the birthplace of the (original) Ku Klux Klan, placed on the building where they were formed in 1865 at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee. It was "donated" and placed there by this same UDC we keep talking about, in 1917, one year after they commissioned Gutzon Borglum to carve a bas-relief into Stone Mountain, the site of the second (re-formed) Ku Klux Klan. This sign was also not "destroyed" --- it was turned backward so today it looks like this:

TNPULkkkplaque_darrendonna1.jpg

See that? Still there but now a blank slate. The building's owner who did that said it symbolized the town "turning its back on the Klan". NOBODY objected to that turnabout except Klan pilgrims coming to pay homage. They were pissed, just like you are. But it isn't "destroyed" at all, so this hallucinatory whine-o fantasy fall down go boom.

You are quite correct that this wave of decades of historical revisionism that includes statues, monuments, plaques, mountain carvings, films like "Birth of a Nation" and "Gone With the Wind", segregated public facilities, race riots, "gentlemens' agreements' keeping blacks out of pro sports and entertainment, hotels and restaurants that wouldn't serve blacks, and of course decades of literally rewritten history books, is itself history that must be acknowledged and not swept under the rug. That's what we're doing here. Again, thanks for noticing. :up:
 

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