VA Beach Munc Cntr Shooting: 11 Killed by Emp

Yet another mass shooting.

Yet more lies and deflection from the right.

And still nothing constructive from the right as to viable solutions to end mass shootings.

Typical.
----------------------------- just stay away from government declared 'gun free zones' Clayton .
 
Police have said the suspect was armed with a .45-caliber handgun. Cervera said Saturday that more weapons were found at the scene and at his home, but declined to elaborate.

Craddock, 40, was a professional engineer who had graduated from Denbigh High School in nearby Newport News in 1996 and joined the Army National Guard, according to a newspaper clip from the time. He received basic military training and advanced individual training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. He later graduated from Old Dominion University with a bachelor’s degree in civil engineering. Before going to work in Virginia Beach, he worked for a private engineering firm in Hampton Roads.

Craddock appears to have had no felony record, which would have made him eligible to purchase firearms
Officials ID Virginia Beach gunman as city employee

What "common sense" gun control laws would have prevented this shooting?
How is it possible for this shooting take place in a gun free zone?

Yes Virginia, there really are stupid questions.

Neither one of these questions are new or unique.

How many red lights prevented a T Bone at a controlled intersection? Do we eliminate all traffic controls?

A gun free zone can't stop someone from bringing a gun into one, but it does couple of things: It add penalties at sentencing, and it allows the LE officer to take into custody someone who would only have been cited.

Like a Red Light, it will not stop anyone intent on violating the law. It will punish them when someone enters a school ground illegally, a low grade misdemeanor (trespassing), and is in a gun free zone, the court can place him or her into the county jail for 18 months (6 max for the trespass, 12 months for the gun).
 
1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.
4. A Muslim killed a hundred and we all know how.
I bet you were praying he was Muslim. No sweetie 15000 deaths a year on average foe yourswlf, is an American problem since europeans landed here.
 
1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.


Yes....he could have used a rental truck. A muslim in Nice, France used a rental truck and murdered 86 people and injured 435....this guy used a gun and killed 12......trucks are deadlier than rifles and we let anyone drive them.....I get your point......
Humm how many truck killings happened since ? And how many shootings in the US since? Go on....I'm waiting.
 
1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.
4. A Muslim killed a hundred and we all know how.
I bet you were praying he was Muslim. No sweetie 15000 deaths a year on average foe yourswlf, is an American problem since europeans landed here.
Issa, explain how the Democrat gun ban will be carried out
 
1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.
4. A Muslim killed a hundred and we all know how.
I bet you were praying he was Muslim. No sweetie 15000 deaths a year on average foe yourswlf, is an American problem since europeans landed here.
Issa, explain how the Democrat gun ban will be carried out
Democrat? It should be a humane initiative...America is swimming in blood and it needs to stop. Other countries dont have to live in such madness.
 
1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.
4. A Muslim killed a hundred and we all know how.
I bet you were praying he was Muslim. No sweetie 15000 deaths a year on average foe yourswlf, is an American problem since europeans landed here.
My post went over your head.
 
Yet another mass shooting.

Yet more lies and deflection from the right.

And still nothing constructive from the right as to viable solutions to end mass shootings.

Typical.




France has more gun laws than what you even claim to want
Net result...130 dead.

Why didn't your laws work?
 
1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.
4. A Muslim killed a hundred and we all know how.
I bet you were praying he was Muslim. No sweetie 15000 deaths a year on average foe yourswlf, is an American problem since europeans landed here.
Issa, explain how the Democrat gun ban will be carried out
Democrat? It should be a humane initiative...America is swimming in blood and it needs to stop. Other countries dont have to live in such madness.




And yet, they are suffering just as much as we are.

Hmm. Seems you are wrong.
 
The anti-gun pointless gun laws would have failed...again.......he used two .45 caliber guns...which he reloaded repeatedly during the attack.......

He bought them after going through background checks...which means he would pass a universal background check for a private sale.....

They were pistols...not an AR-15, so a stupid "Assault Rifle" ban would not have stopped the attack.....

He bought one gun in 2016, and the other gun in 2018......so stupid waiting periods would not have done anything to stop the attack.....

He displayed no mental issues until recently, so stupid Red Flag Laws would not have kept this from happening....


Anti-gunners......can't get dumber than an anti-gunner....





Gun control laws have zero to do with preventing crime, but EVERYTHING to do with concentrating power in the hands of the very billionaires who fund the anti gun efforts.

They realize you can't truly be the slave they want, when you can defend yourself.
Most of the world functions perfectly well with gun control

The US has five times the murder rate of those countries that restrict firearms





Big deal. Take a look at Europe as a whole, so that the populations are similar and guess what. Europe's violent crime rates are higher than ours, and gun deaths are similar. You cherry pick and think that supports your argument. All it does is show you to be a weak minded silly person incapable of thinking for yourself.
Thank God for our Second Amendment

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Yeah, now total them all up and you will see it is the same, actually trending better for the USA. And, the violent crime rates throughout Europe are exploding. Same gun laws as you wish, and the gun crime rates are exploding. Why?:eusa_whistle:
Why would you "add them all up" ? Its per 100,000 of population so that is never going to change.
 
HoHum. Another mass shooting. Just move on, it does not matter. You get to keep your guns.
Actually, if one of them had one, then maybe they could have protected themselves...
Stupid reply. More guns is not the answer. Americans cannot be trusted with owning guns.


hmmm

600,000,000 firearms in the hands of the civilian populace...

30,000 deaths a year, give or take.

sounds to me like a large majority of Americans can be trusted.
30 thousand deaths? How pathetic are you?


Wrong.......

Gun murder 2017

10,982

Gun suicide 20188

23,854

Gun suicide does not count...since Japan, with absolute gun control, has a higher suicide rate than we do, as do many countries in Europe and Canada...
You make it sound as if 11,000 people killed in one country is acceptable.
 
From current police conference:

An employee entered the building and killed 11, 6 others injured, conditions unknown.
Shooter dead also.

Shooter at VB Municipal Center in custody; Multiple people shot, including officer | WAVY.com
HoHum. Another mass shooting. Just move on, it does not matter. You get to keep your guns.
Actually, if one of them had one, then maybe they could have protected themselves...
Stupid reply. More guns is not the answer. Americans cannot be trusted with owning guns.


Please...enlighten us....

More guns is not the answer.

If this is accurate, why did the cops use guns to stop the shooter instead of using tasers, pepper spray or batons?
You have lost all sight of the reality of the situation.
 
Stupid reply. More guns is not the answer. Americans cannot be trusted with owning guns.


hmmm

600,000,000 firearms in the hands of the civilian populace...

30,000 deaths a year, give or take.

sounds to me like a large majority of Americans can be trusted.
30 thousand deaths? How pathetic are you?


no?

How many deaths are caused by firearms annually, in your estimation?
30 thousand in one country!!! And you think this is not insane?


3/5s of which are suicides.

in a country with approximately 600,000,000 firearms.


no
This is one of the reasons the USA is so screwed up. People thinking like this.
 
Actually, if one of them had one, then maybe they could have protected themselves...
Stupid reply. More guns is not the answer. Americans cannot be trusted with owning guns.


hmmm

600,000,000 firearms in the hands of the civilian populace...

30,000 deaths a year, give or take.

sounds to me like a large majority of Americans can be trusted.
30 thousand deaths? How pathetic are you?


Wrong.......

Gun murder 2017

10,982

Gun suicide 20188

23,854

Gun suicide does not count...since Japan, with absolute gun control, has a higher suicide rate than we do, as do many countries in Europe and Canada...
You make it sound as if 11,000 people killed in one country is acceptable.
---------------------------------- its the price we pay to be Armed and i see it as acceptable . Thats 10 - 11 thousand dead a year while 30 thousand or more die in car accidents . So 10 - 11 thousand dead by criminals out of a nation with over 320 million and millions of illegals NNuke .
 
Nope.....as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate has gone down, not up.....which blows the crap out of your theory.....

bullshit, we still have the highest murder rates in the industrialized world. Tens of thousands when most civilized countries only have hundreds.
After what Obama did fostering BLM. ANTIFA, and the illegal Hispanic riots with death, destruction and carnage, we found out what a dictator can be. People would be foolish to give up their guns. Not for you.
 
Stupid reply. More guns is not the answer. Americans cannot be trusted with owning guns.


hmmm

600,000,000 firearms in the hands of the civilian populace...

30,000 deaths a year, give or take.

sounds to me like a large majority of Americans can be trusted.
30 thousand deaths? How pathetic are you?


Wrong.......

Gun murder 2017

10,982

Gun suicide 20188

23,854

Gun suicide does not count...since Japan, with absolute gun control, has a higher suicide rate than we do, as do many countries in Europe and Canada...
You make it sound as if 11,000 people killed in one country is acceptable.
---------------------------------- its the price we pay to be Armed and i see it as acceptable . Thats 10 - 11 thousand dead a year while 30 thousand or more die in car accidents . So 10 - 11 thousand dead by criminals out of a nation with over 320 million and millions of illegals NNuke .
How about the children dying in school shootings, etc. Americans do not need to be armed, we are not armed here in Europe and we get along just fine. I live in Ireland and the police are not armed. Do you have any idea what a good feeling it is that we are that safe?
 
After what Obama did fostering BLM. ANTIFA, and the illegal Hispanic riots with death, destruction and carnage, we found out what a dictator can be. People would be foolish to give up their guns. Not for you.

Uh, buddy, what fostered BLM was a bunch of asshole cops shooting black children in the back and getting away with it.

Nothing to do with Obama.. other than him agreeing that was a bad thing.
 

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