Victims' Families Want To Air New 9/11 Truth Ad

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Corruption is even there in US , Shattering...

 

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I guess... Dirt is everywhere... it's the quantity which is varied from place to place

 

[TakeAStepBack]

So, no one can rebuttal the spontenous combustion of cars from south street seaport, to the car park across from the Verizon building on West and the testimony from numerous firefighters and first responders claiming it so?

What about the picture taken by FEMA of the Bankers Trust building showing asteel I-beam that has been twisted, shriveled and pinch crimped.

Anyone care to explain these anomalies?

 

[Gamolon]

asteel I-beam that has been twisted, shriveled and pinch crimped.

Shriveled? You mean that could not have been caused by COMPRESSION of some sort that caused that beam to "accordian" like that?

Like how this beam reacted in a fire test?

Good grief.

 

[Triton]

Looks like a building fell on it.

And if i remember right it was finally deconstructed a few months ago.

Due to the structural damage and contamination.

I second this

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Bankers Trust was hit by falling debris. It didnt catch on fire. Try being honest for a change.
Even still, your example doesn't meet the criteria, sorry.

 

[Triton]

Or WTC 3 being almost cut in half and still not collapsing

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Still none of the usual apologists will touch the car anomaly. With very good reason. It can not be explained. At least not under any conditions that we are aware of.

The only way it makes any sense is if ALL people who testified are very dilusional AND all 1,400 cars were parked right around the buildings that collapsed. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

 

[Gamolon]

Still none of the usual apologists will touch the car anomaly. With very good reason. It can not be explained. At least not under any conditions that we are aware of.

The only way it makes any sense is if ALL people who testified are very dilusional AND all 1,400 cars were parked right around the buildings that collapsed. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Can you show me a post where someone witnessed the spontaneous combustion of a car where there was no debris falling on it?

I want to see you provide proof of someone witnessing a car just igniting all by itself with nothing else around. Make sure it wasn't already burning in their account because that's not a witness of spontaneous combustion happening.

This should be good.

 

[Patriot911]

Still none of the usual apologists will touch the car anomaly. With very good reason. It can not be explained. At least not under any conditions that we are aware of.

The only way it makes any sense is if ALL people who testified are very dilusional AND all 1,400 cars were parked right around the buildings that collapsed. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Oh look! TakeAShit is still pretending he is somehow relevant!

So how is blowing up a bunch of cars part of the conspiracy?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Link us to any articles you have about this, though I do remember seeing and reading about the cars and other vehicles catching fire and only parts of many of them burning..strange indeed. Perhaps there was more then one method of destruction used, which is why the need for a real evaluation of events has to take place.

Oral testimony of EMT Alan Cooke:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110040.PDF

....We got to the beginning of the FDR Drive, by the ferry, and i guess because of the way the streets channeled everything, one of the fire balls or whatever, had to have made it as far as south street seaport, because what happened at the time, it seemed like an explosion was coming from there...........
........Now we had everybody running [to] us from the seaport and running to us from the west side, so we couldnt go either way. That's when all the ash and everything started coming. We had a couple of people stop us because they were complaining of chest pains......
....Nobody could breathe and everybody was trying to climb up on to the wall of the FDR Drive.....

Testimony from Firefighter Todd Heaney:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110255.PDF
....When I got to the front of the building, it tossed rigs down the street like it was--like they were toys. They were upside down on fire.

Firefighter Patrick Connolly:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110453.PDF
The only thing I knew, that I wanted to do was
I wanted to go back out the door that we came in and
make a left turn and walk straight up West Broadway
out to safety. They were a little bit more
controlled. They decided to stay put about five
minutes. And think things through and they were
gonna go down. There were some interior stairs and
they were gonna go down to probably more like a bomb

shelter area an d I think when Joe looked, it looked
like it was destroyed. So we decided that we would
tie the search rope off to the doorway and the three
of us hand in hand decided that we would walk out.
And as we came out we started to walk north and
slowly but surely and up and over and under steel
and cars were -- cars with tires and cars were
popping and they were just starting to light up
spontaneously and there was near zero visibility at
this stage.

I'll PM you a list of the testimonies that are particularly noteworthy....the list goes on and on and on......

Testimony from Lieutenant Rene Davila

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110453.PDF

....But we were there. Vehicle 219 was
destroyed.
Q. Was it on fire?
A. What?
Q. Was it on fire?
A. Fire? We saw the sucker blow up. We
heard "Boom!" We were walking up Fulton Street.
I don't know how far we made it up when someone
says, "The building's coming down." By the time
I realized, it's a repeat. .....

Emergency Medical Technician, Renae O'Carroll"

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110116.PDF

....... We went down Atlantic Avenue going
towards the Manhattan Bridge, and the heat was so
intense, so intense, you could actually feel it
while you were up on the bridge. I mean that
intense you could feel the heat. Cars were
coming this way, and we were driving that way.
They assigned us to go to Church and
Vesey. We were going towards that area. The
cars are coming this way. People are screaming
and running, and we're going the opposite
direction into the mess, into the belly of the
beast of this thing. I still can't believe I had
the nerve to do that to this day.......

There is quite a distance between the Manhattan bridge and WTC.....

Q. The building actually came down at that
point?
A. The building wasn't down yet. I was
getting ready to pull out, and the transportation
officer waved me over. He wanted to tell me what
hospital to go to.......


It was just basically dark. I had
never been through anything -- I thought I was
dying. The only thing I could see was balls of
fire, just balls of fire. At one point I thought
I was on fire because it was that close to me. I
could feel the heat. I said to myself, wow, I'm
on fire. This is what it feels like to be on
fire.

EMT Micheal D'Angelo:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110148.PDF

....I remember too, the cars started to explode inside the parking lot. I mean, the cars started to cook off, they started going off, boom, boom, boom, boom. I remember that......

EMT, Patricia Ondrovic
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110048.PDF

Q: West Side Highway and Vesey?
A: And Vesey, yeah. I was still on Vesey, cause the building that blew up on
me was on Vesey, it was on the corner next to the West Side Highway. Cause I know I
was running west, I didn't run that way. Thank God, I would have been dead had I run
the other way. But I ran towards the West Side Highway, and I kept running up Vesey.
As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the
West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that
set my feet on fire. I kept running. I got news for you, those turn out coats need to be
called burn out coats, cause this thing caught up in flames. They cut two inches off my
hair in less that two minutes, my coat was completely engulfed, and that was the only
way I could see where I was running at that point, because I had a glow from my coat.

Firefighter James Curran
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110412.PDF

.....WE WENT IN THROUGH THE REVOLVING DOORS
THERE WAS A MINI LOBBY THERE WAS LIKE BROWN HAZE
SMOKE IN THE LOBBY LOT OF THE MARBLE SLABS WERE
FALLING OFF THE WALL CRACKED THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE
IN LIKE THE LITTLE SECTION OF THIS LOBBY ONE GUY WAS
BURNT PRETTY MUCH TO CRISP AND HIS JACKET WAS THE ONLY THING LEFT ON HIM PUT THAT OUT WITH A CAN AND
THEN THERE WAS LADY OFF TO THE RIGHT OF US THAT WAS
ALIVE BUT SHE WAS SCREAMING THAT SHE COULDNT BREATHE
SO HIT HER WITH THE CAN AND COOLED HER DOWN......


So, how does a man burn to a crisp except his jacket???

EMT Ronald Coyne
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110395.PDF
AT THAT POINT I JUST HEARD THUNDEROUS
SOUND AND LOOKED UP AND SAW THE BUILDING START TO
TOPPLE START TO SWAY AND IT WAS SWAYING OUR WAY AND
WE JUST YELLED RUN AND TRIED TO RUN AS FAST AS WE
COULD AND I SAW AN SUV PARKED AND I FIGURED THAT THAT
WOULD TAKE SOME YOU KNOW SOME OF THE HIT BECAUSE I
KNEW COULDNT OUT RUN THE BUILDING AND BY THE TIME
IT TOOK ME TO BREAK THE BACK WINDOW OF THE SUV MY
SAFETY COAT WAS ALREADY ON FIRE MY SOCKS WERE ON
FIRE WAS ALREADY COVERED WITH SOOT AND ALL SORTS OF
PARTICLES THAT WERE COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING
I CLIMBED INTO THE TRUCK AND THATS WHEN PIECES OF THE BUILDING
LIFTED THE TRUCK AND CAME THROUGH THE FRONT
WINDOW AND FLIPPED THE TRUCK OVER AND WAS TRAPPED IN
THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 25 MINUTES TO HALF HOUR

Firefighter Armando Reno
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110448.PDF

Also, I
drove a high-pressure rig and I thought maybe, you
know, it looks like it might be needed because the 80th
floor the plane hit, and the second plane didn't hit at
this time yet, the south tower.
I was working by the south bridge. There
were numerous car fires there. I was located by the
south bridge and the chauffeur from 1 Engine was with
me. There were two lengths of a 2-1/2 inch line
stretched off the hydrant there on the south side of
Liberty Street. We were putting out the car fires, or
attempting to, and there was no -- the water had no
effect on the car fires at the time. I started
thinking about getting the foam off the rig, and I also
noticed there were numerous bodies by Cedar Street, and
I was thinking of getting the EMS equipment off the
rig, putting gloves on and starting to get the bodies,
putting them in bags.

Are you saying that the cars that ignited in the parking lot were hit by debris?
Because there are images available that show no debris, yet burning cars. You clearly havent done any homework and you are a liar to boot, Gamolon. The reason you're on ignore in the first place.

Go find your own images of the car park and FDR drive car explosion. I'm not here so you can waste my time with your dishonest posting.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

This message is hidden because Patriot911 is on your ignore list.

I'm willing to bet this fucking hick moron didnt even address the question. So dishonest.

 

[Patriot911]

This message is hidden because Patriot911 is on your ignore list.

I'm willing to bet this fucking hick moron didnt even address the question. So dishonest.

As usual, you're wrong. BTW, do you honestly believe people think you actually have me on ignore? We all know your ego couldn't withstand knowing someone wrote something about you without reading it. TakeAShit is nothing if not predictable!

So how about answering the question. How does cars catching fire fit into the conspiracy theory?

 

[Gamolon]

Let's take these apart one by one shall we?

EMT Ronald Coyne
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110395.PDF
AT THAT POINT I JUST HEARD THUNDEROUS
SOUND AND LOOKED UP AND SAW THE BUILDING START TO
TOPPLE START TO SWAY AND IT WAS SWAYING OUR WAY AND
WE JUST YELLED RUN AND TRIED TO RUN AS FAST AS WE
COULD AND I SAW AN SUV PARKED AND I FIGURED THAT THAT
WOULD TAKE SOME YOU KNOW SOME OF THE HIT BECAUSE I
KNEW COULDNT OUT RUN THE BUILDING AND BY THE TIME
IT TOOK ME TO BREAK THE BACK WINDOW OF THE SUV MY
SAFETY COAT WAS ALREADY ON FIRE MY SOCKS WERE ON
FIRE WAS ALREADY COVERED WITH SOOT AND ALL SORTS OF
PARTICLES THAT WERE COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING
I CLIMBED INTO THE TRUCK AND THATS WHEN PIECES OF THE BUILDING
LIFTED THE TRUCK AND CAME THROUGH THE FRONT
WINDOW AND FLIPPED THE TRUCK OVER AND WAS TRAPPED IN
THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 25 MINUTES TO HALF HOUR

Please show me where the witness mentions spontaneous combustion due to an unknown source. I see a description of soot and particles flying around that probably caught his cloths on fire.

Are you saying with 100% certainty, that the particles/debris could not have caught his clothes on fire?

 

[Patriot911]

Are you saying that the cars that ignited in the parking lot were hit by debris?
Because there are images available that show no debris, yet burning cars. You clearly havent done any homework and you are a liar to boot, Gamolon. The reason you're on ignore in the first place.

Go find your own images of the car park and FDR drive car explosion. I'm not here so you can waste my time with your dishonest posting.

Hey TakeAShit.... if Gamolon is on ignore, why are you responding to what he wrote? BUSTED AGAIN!!!!

And you're just like Triton; such a lazy fuck or so dishonest that you hope someone ELSE can do your work for you. Why bother? We all know you're a lying piece of shit! You want to make a point? Make a point. Don't sit there jacking off and pretending your bullshit is real and then telling everyone else they have to prove it for themselves.

 

[Gamolon]

Firefighter Armando Reno
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110448.PDF

Also, I
drove a high-pressure rig and I thought maybe, you
know, it looks like it might be needed because the 80th
floor the plane hit, and the second plane didn't hit at
this time yet, the south tower.
I was working by the south bridge. There
were numerous car fires there. I was located by the
south bridge and the chauffeur from 1 Engine was with
me. There were two lengths of a 2-1/2 inch line
stretched off the hydrant there on the south side of
Liberty Street. We were putting out the car fires, or
attempting to, and there was no -- the water had no
effect on the car fires at the time. I started
thinking about getting the foam off the rig, and I also
noticed there were numerous bodies by Cedar Street, and
I was thinking of getting the EMS equipment off the
rig, putting gloves on and starting to get the bodies,
putting them in bags.

Show me where he says he witnessed the cars just spontaneously ignite? Show me your proof that those cars were not hit by debris.

NEXT!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Address ALL of the witness accounts. All of them. Dont pick and fucking choose to what matches your liking.


NEXT!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

EMT Micheal D'Angelo:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110148.PDF

....I remember too, the cars started to explode inside the parking lot. I mean, the cars started to cook off, they started going off, boom, boom, boom, boom. I remember that......


Testimony from Lieutenant Rene Davila

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110453.PDF

....But we were there. Vehicle 219 was
destroyed.
Q. Was it on fire?
A. What?
Q. Was it on fire?
A. Fire? We saw the sucker blow up. We
heard "Boom!" We were walking up Fulton Street.
I don't know how far we made it up when someone
says, "The building's coming down." By the time
I realized, it's a repeat. .....


Firefighter Patrick Connolly:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110453.PDF
The only thing I knew, that I wanted to do was
I wanted to go back out the door that we came in and
make a left turn and walk straight up West Broadway
out to safety. They were a little bit more
controlled. They decided to stay put about five
minutes. And think things through and they were
gonna go down. There were some interior stairs and
they were gonna go down to probably more like a bomb

shelter area an d I think when Joe looked, it looked
like it was destroyed. So we decided that we would
tie the search rope off to the doorway and the three
of us hand in hand decided that we would walk out.
And as we came out we started to walk north and
slowly but surely and up and over and under steel
and cars were -- cars with tires and cars were
popping and they were just starting to light up
spontaneously and there was near zero visibility at
this stage.

 

[Gamolon]

Firefighter Patrick Connolly:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110453.PDF
The only thing I knew, that I wanted to do was
I wanted to go back out the door that we came in and
make a left turn and walk straight up West Broadway
out to safety. They were a little bit more
controlled. They decided to stay put about five
minutes. And think things through and they were
gonna go down. There were some interior stairs and
they were gonna go down to probably more like a bomb

shelter area an d I think when Joe looked, it looked
like it was destroyed. So we decided that we would
tie the search rope off to the doorway and the three
of us hand in hand decided that we would walk out.
And as we came out we started to walk north and
slowly but surely and up and over and under steel
and cars were -- cars with tires and cars were
popping and they were just starting to light up
spontaneously and there was near zero visibility at
this stage.

I'll PM you a list of the testimonies that are particularly noteworthy....the list goes on and on and on......

Please show where this proves that the cars just spontaneously ignited by something other than debris. According to him there was zero visibility which means DEBRIS was everywhere.

NEXT!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You trolls are so fucking dishonest.

I'm not address you anymore, Gamolon. You're a dishonest troll.