Virginia gun control law kept AR-15 out of hands of DC shooter

[Quantum Windbag]

I bow to your superior knowledge of shotguns. I own 5 guns, and none of them are shotguns.

But it still has nothing to do with the issue. The shooter was denied the right to purchase a much more lethal weapon by gun laws that worked. It is too bad that such law did not also apply to to a shotgun.

He wasn't denied anything, but keep repeating the lie.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And he can individually aim each pellet? That's your claim. Prove it.

When did I make that claim?

When you said this:

12 shotgun rounds with 9 pellets per round is 108 shots with the AR-15.

If you knew anything about guns you'd know that each shot from an AR-15 occurs with one pull of the trigger,

and each can be aimed individually. No such thing happens with shotshells fired from a shotgun.

Amazing stupidity. Simply amazing. Breathtakingly amazing stupidity. Stupidity transcendent above and beyond the realm of ordinary earthbound stupidity.

Me pointing out that you failed at math is me saying that the moons is made of green cheese and unicorn farts?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I bow to your superior knowledge of shotguns. I own 5 guns, and none of them are shotguns.

But it still has nothing to do with the issue. The shooter was denied the right to purchase a much more lethal weapon by giun laws that worked. It is too bad that such law did not also apply to to a shotgun.

It's funny that these same people that are now claiming a shotgun is more effective and lethal than an AR-15 before were insisting that banning assault weapons would deny citizens the right to own that more effective AR-15 for self-defense,

and, remember,

they mocked Joe Biden for touting the effectiveness of a shotgun.

yes...people...some of us don't forget your idiotic flip flopping.

We mocked him for saying it is better for women than an AR-15, and that you should fire two shots into the air to scare people off.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You should have read it shitstain.

In addition, no dealer shall sell, rent, trade or transfer from his inventory any assault firearm to any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence. To establish citizenship or lawful admission for a permanent residence for purposes of purchasing an assault firearm, a dealer shall require a prospective purchaser to present a certified birth certificate or a certificate of birth abroad issued by the United States State Department, a certificate of citizenship or a certificate of naturalization issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, an unexpired U.S. passport, a United States citizen identification card, a current voter registration card, a current selective service registration card, or an immigrant visa or other documentation of status as a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.

On top of a photo ID, you also have to present a birth certificate, passport, or another government form of ID to get an assault rifle.

As usual your propaganda site is wrong.

Which PROVES he could have bought an AR-15. He had a Government form of ID. He is a Contracted on a Naval base. Virginia law per your quote does not bar a US Citizen or legal resident from buying an AR-15.

He got into the base by using someone else's card.

Since he was there on business and it's highly unlikely anyone walks around with their birth certificate, that post is correct that the law stopped him from getting the AR.

And he had an AR-15.

 

[Black_Label]

You don't know anything about guns, do you?

No, you don't. You thought an AR-15 is .22 caliber

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Here is the excerpt from the NYT article the blog site took it's information from:

The lawyer, J. Michael Slocum, said in an e-mail that Mr. Alexis bought a Remington 870 Express 12-gauge shotgun and about two boxes of ammunition, or about 24 shells. The purchases were approved after the store owner conducted the required federal background check, Mr. Slocum said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/u...-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?hp&_r=0

The "tactical law enforcement" part was more bullshit.

Bullshit heaped on bullshit.

The article said that it had a short barrell.

The shooter did not have access to a hacksaw?

Short barrel as in not a long barrel. They come in different barrel lengths, all of which are legal.

 

[Missourian]

Here is the excerpt from the NYT article the blog site took it's information from:

The lawyer, J. Michael Slocum, said in an e-mail that Mr. Alexis bought a Remington 870 Express 12-gauge shotgun and about two boxes of ammunition, or about 24 shells. The purchases were approved after the store owner conducted the required federal background check, Mr. Slocum said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/u...-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?hp&_r=0

The "tactical law enforcement" part was more bullshit.

Bullshit heaped on bullshit.

The article said that it had a short barrell.

The shooter did not have access to a hacksaw?

I've read at least 3 different versions of the type of shotgun.

Could be confusion...maybe it wasn't an Express.

The Express is just very popular, but some folks who don't know better think all the models are Express.

One site called it an Express Police...and that doesn't exist.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well, It appear, Missouri, that your entire argument is based on your opinion that the New York Times and CBS lied.

Okeedokee!

Have you heard that the second plane that hit the towers was a fraud?

Adios. I have to figure out how my new IRobot vacuum cleaner works....

 

[Missourian]

Here is the excerpt from the NYT article the blog site took it's information from:


The "tactical law enforcement" part was more bullshit.

Bullshit heaped on bullshit.

The article said that it had a short barrell.

The shooter did not have access to a hacksaw?

Short barrel as in not a long barrel. They come in different barrel lengths, all of which are legal.

Exactly.

I have a squirrel gun with a 22 inch barrel and a goose gun with a 32 inch barrel.

My .410 bore snake charmer has an 18 inch barrel.

None of them are "tactical".

A black synthetic stock is less expensive to manufacture than wood...that doesn't make "tactical"...just cheaper.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You don't know anything about guns, do you?

No, you don't. You thought an AR-15 is .22 caliber

5.56 mm is close enough to a .22 that you can't see the difference by eye. You probably couldn't see the difference with a micrometer.

 

[Missourian]

You don't know anything about guns, do you?

No, you don't. You thought an AR-15 is .22 caliber

The bullet is .22 caliber...that's a fact.

 

[Missourian]

You don't know anything about guns, do you?

No, you don't. You thought an AR-15 is .22 caliber

5.56 mm is close enough to a .22 that you can't see the difference by eye. You probably couldn't see the difference with a micrometer.

You can't.

A .22LR is .222 and the AR is .223 - on the micrometer with factory tolerances they are the same.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You don't know anything about guns, do you?

No, you don't. You thought an AR-15 is .22 caliber

An AR-15 is .223 Dumb Ass. 5.56 is a NATO designation.

 

[S.J.]

Actually you have Mr. Conservative, Ronald Reagan, to thank for it. Because he closed all the mental hospitals, including any of those which could have accommodated Aaron Alexis and other mass shooters in the past -- and those who might emerge in the future because there is no place to properly contain them. Ronald Reagan dumped thousands of crazies onto the public streets.

Link please.

 

[tinydancer]

Which PROVES he could have bought an AR-15. He had a Government form of ID. He is a Contracted on a Naval base. Virginia law per your quote does not bar a US Citizen or legal resident from buying an AR-15.

He got into the base by using someone else's card.

Since he was there on business and it's highly unlikely anyone walks around with their birth certificate, that post is correct that the law stopped him from getting the AR.

And he had an AR-15.

Geeze louise I missed that post of his.

For crying out loud the shooter had "special security clearance". I had a thread up about it.

 

[Black_Label]

You don't know anything about guns, do you?

No, you don't. You thought an AR-15 is .22 caliber

5.56 mm is close enough to a .22 that you can't see the difference by eye. You probably couldn't see the difference with a micrometer.

There is a huge visual difference.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No, you don't. You thought an AR-15 is .22 caliber

5.56 mm is close enough to a .22 that you can't see the difference by eye. You probably couldn't see the difference with a micrometer.

There is a huge visual difference.

A .223 just has more powder and a higher velocity. It is still just a slightly upgraded .22. And you did not know that.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15

"Aaron Alexis, who was unable to purchase the AR-15 he wanted last week because Virginia law “prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers.” Instead, he bought “a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action” — which he used in his deadly rampage Monday.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "

"It’s probably worth noting that Alexis had to pump the shotgun each time he fired, and that the Remington has a standard seven-round magazine. An AR-15, on the other hand, fires a round with each pull of the trigger, with a rate of fire much faster than a shotgun’s, and typical magazines hold 20 to 30 rounds, although higher-capacity magazines — 60 to 100 rounds — are also popular. In the Newtown massacre, Adam Lanza managed to fire 155 rounds in under five minutes.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "


But, of course, NRA teaches us that laws like this don't work, and that free access to guns saves lives....

for what it is worth the story turns out to be false

 

[ba1614]

Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15

"Aaron Alexis, who was unable to purchase the AR-15 he wanted last week because Virginia law “prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers.” Instead, he bought “a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action” — which he used in his deadly rampage Monday.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "

"It’s probably worth noting that Alexis had to pump the shotgun each time he fired, and that the Remington has a standard seven-round magazine. An AR-15, on the other hand, fires a round with each pull of the trigger, with a rate of fire much faster than a shotgun’s, and typical magazines hold 20 to 30 rounds, although higher-capacity magazines — 60 to 100 rounds — are also popular. In the Newtown massacre, Adam Lanza managed to fire 155 rounds in under five minutes.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "


But, of course, NRA teaches us that laws like this don't work, and that free acess to guns saves lives....

This is what the gun nuts can't understand...

They are quick to point out the largely laughable and false premise that "Guns prevent crime" supposedly thousands of time an hour.

Yet when you point out that existing gun laws do prevent additional tragedies...it's "you can't prove a negative"...

Let me get this straight. You two are claiming that this murder spree is proof that gun control laws work.

Had the "victims" been armed in this situation, they would have been able to defend themselves. Turning a group of people into a shooting gallery for whacked out insane murders is not gun control. It's typical libtard stupidity.

Being progressive is really confusing ain't it?

 

[Edgetho]

Alexis bought a shotgun, the main firearm he allegedly used in the massacre, at Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va. on Saturday, according to an emailed statement from J. Michael Slocum, the attorney for the gun range.....



Here's the full statement from Slocum:

Mr. Alexis did not attempt to buy an AR-15 from Sharpshooters Small Arms Range. He asked about purchasing a handgun (no brand specified) but he was told that he could not purchase a handgun except for delivery to his home state through another Federally-licensed firearm dealer. He then decided to purchase the Remington 870 express shotgun.

Sharpshooters Small Arms Range was visited by Aaron Alexis on September 14, 2013. Mr. Alexis rented a rifle and purchased ammunition which he used at the practice range. He then purchased a Remington 870 Express shotgun and a small amount of ammunition (approximately 2 boxes -- 24 shells). In accordance with Federal law, Mr. Alexis' name and other applicable information, including his state of residency, was provided to the Federal NICS system and he was approved by that system. After the terrible and tragic events at the Navy Yard, the Sharpshooters Range was visited by federal law enforcement authorities, who reviewed the Range's records, including video and other materials. So far, as is known Mr. Alexis visited the Range only once, and he has had no other contact with the Range, so far as is known.

Read more: Why Aaron Alexis Could Buy A Gun - Business Insider

Edge:
Nobody in their right mind would lie about this. Nobody. Not when there were no laws broken or even bent.

Lying under circumstances like this could have disastrous consequences for both the Attorney and the Gun Shop.

The only people who can get away with routinely lying in this Country is the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM.... Which is headed by the New Yawk Slimes.

The Slimes printed an inaccurate article and they don't have the stones to retract or correct it.

Honest Journalism in this Country is dead

Here's a good one to read, followed by some others calling out the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM

https://medium.com/editors-picks/ad1b464d4555

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