Voting

[Oddball]

what were you saying about arrogance again?

You could try to pass this string off as a sitcom script, and they'd reject at being too far fetched.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Apparently they had logistics problems and couldn't move the illegals fast enough to other states to vote repeatedly. It is called leveraging the vote. Being inefficient caused this because when they got there the polls were closed already.

These kinds of lies are what we should be voting AGAINST people.Get out there and make it happen

Voting against is a ridiculous situation. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me. The current situation is horrible.

. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me

Who is stopping you?

The political system stops many, MANY people.

If you look at Germany, they have 6 parties in parliament. The US has two. The difference is how people vote.

If one person from Berlin votes for Party A in Germany and another person in a village near Stuttgart votes for Party A then Party A has two votes.

In the US is a person from New York votes for Party A and a person in San Francisco votes for Party A, then Party A gets nothing.

 

[Darkwind]

Apparently they had logistics problems and couldn't move the illegals fast enough to other states to vote repeatedly. It is called leveraging the vote. Being inefficient caused this because when they got there the polls were closed already.

These kinds of lies are what we should be voting AGAINST people.Get out there and make it happen

Voting against is a ridiculous situation. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me. The current situation is horrible.

. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me

Who is stopping you?

The political system stops many, MANY people.

If you look at Germany, they have 6 parties in parliament. The US has two. The difference is how people vote.

If one person from Berlin votes for Party A in Germany and another person in a village near Stuttgart votes for Party A then Party A has two votes.

In the US is a person from New York votes for Party A and a person in San Francisco votes for Party A, then Party A gets nothing.

Nor should they. We don't vote on a national level. You vote for representation in your district, which means you vote does count.

 

[Avatar4321]

what were you saying about arrogance again?

You could try to pass this string off as a sitcom script, and they'd reject at being too far fetched.

I know. It's funny and yet tragically sad.

Too many in our society of darkness blinding their eyes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Apparently they had logistics problems and couldn't move the illegals fast enough to other states to vote repeatedly. It is called leveraging the vote. Being inefficient caused this because when they got there the polls were closed already.

These kinds of lies are what we should be voting AGAINST people.Get out there and make it happen

Voting against is a ridiculous situation. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me. The current situation is horrible.

. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me

Who is stopping you?

The political system stops many, MANY people.

If you look at Germany, they have 6 parties in parliament. The US has two. The difference is how people vote.

If one person from Berlin votes for Party A in Germany and another person in a village near Stuttgart votes for Party A then Party A has two votes.

In the US is a person from New York votes for Party A and a person in San Francisco votes for Party A, then Party A gets nothing.

Nor should they. We don't vote on a national level. You vote for representation in your district, which means you vote does count.

No, your vote doesn't count.

If you vote for someone in FPTP and they don't win, you're screwed. Your vote is worthless.

Now, I'm going to show you 2017 German Federal election. Why? Because they have FPTP (US style) and PR at the same time.

It's not a perfect example because people KNOW when they vote FPTP that their PR vote is much more important, so they don't have the fear that exists in US elections. But still.

The CDU/CSU gained 37.2% of the votes with FPTP and gained 231 seats out of 299 seats. That's like 77% of the seats.

The SPD gained 24.6% of the votes and 59 seats, that's like 20% of the seats.

The AfD gained 11.5% of the votes and 3 seats, or 1% of the seats.

The FDP gained 7% of the votes and 0 seats, that's 0% of the seats obviously.

Die Linke gained 8.6% of the votes and 5 seats or 1.66% of the seats.

The Greens gained 8% of the votes and 1 seat or 0.33%

Now, for me there's something inherently wrong here. The representation in the Bundestag would bot represent what the people actually wanted. How do you gain 7% of the votes and get told you can't get represented?

Or 8% of the people gain only 0.33% of the power.

Literally the bottom 4 parties make up 35.1% of the votes and get 9 seats, which is 3% of the vote. That's literally you vote for these parties, your vote is only worth 1/10th what it should be.

You vote CDU/CSU and your vote is worth more than double.

It makes no sense.

What's even worse is that 12.6% of people wanted to vote AfD but only 11.5% actually did in FPTP.
10.7% of people wanted to vote FDP and yet only 7% did.
9.2% wanted to vote for die Linke, 8.6% did.
8.9% of people wanted to vote for the Greens, 8% did.

So, that's 6.3% of the people who wanted to vote for these 4 parties and yet changed their votes. For other smaller parties too the whole figure means the main two parties lost about 8% of the vote. That's a lot of people who felt they could not vote for the party of their choice.

If we move this over to the US, you're looking at about 33% - 50% of the people who would NOT vote Democrat or Republican if they ACTUALLY HAD THE CHOICE.

Now, you can try and ignore everything I've said by saying the usual crap like "but this is the system" or "but your vote does count" or whatever. But the reality is NO, your vote DOES NOT COUNT in many cases. People who live in strongholds will not get represented if they vote for anyone else. Because there's no chance to win.

 

[my2¢]

Those who abstain are casting their opinion on the process. While I always vote, there are positions on the ballot that I typically skip. For example, I really don't care enough to take time to decide who'll make a better State Inspector of Mines? Plus I sure can understand those taking position that their life won't be affected one way or other no matter who wins.

 

[Auld Phart]

These kinds of lies are what we should be voting AGAINST people.Get out there and make it happen

Voting against is a ridiculous situation. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me. The current situation is horrible.

. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me

Who is stopping you?

The political system stops many, MANY people.

If you look at Germany, they have 6 parties in parliament. The US has two. The difference is how people vote.

If one person from Berlin votes for Party A in Germany and another person in a village near Stuttgart votes for Party A then Party A has two votes.

In the US is a person from New York votes for Party A and a person in San Francisco votes for Party A, then Party A gets nothing.

Nor should they. We don't vote on a national level. You vote for representation in your district, which means you vote does count.

No, your vote doesn't count.

If you vote for someone in FPTP and they don't win, you're screwed. Your vote is worthless.

Now, I'm going to show you 2017 German Federal election. Why? Because they have FPTP (US style) and PR at the same time.

It's not a perfect example because people KNOW when they vote FPTP that their PR vote is much more important, so they don't have the fear that exists in US elections. But still.

The CDU/CSU gained 37.2% of the votes with FPTP and gained 231 seats out of 299 seats. That's like 77% of the seats.

The SPD gained 24.6% of the votes and 59 seats, that's like 20% of the seats.

The AfD gained 11.5% of the votes and 3 seats, or 1% of the seats.

The FDP gained 7% of the votes and 0 seats, that's 0% of the seats obviously.

Die Linke gained 8.6% of the votes and 5 seats or 1.66% of the seats.

The Greens gained 8% of the votes and 1 seat or 0.33%

Now, for me there's something inherently wrong here. The representation in the Bundestag would bot represent what the people actually wanted. How do you gain 7% of the votes and get told you can't get represented?

Or 8% of the people gain only 0.33% of the power.

Literally the bottom 4 parties make up 35.1% of the votes and get 9 seats, which is 3% of the vote. That's literally you vote for these parties, your vote is only worth 1/10th what it should be.

You vote CDU/CSU and your vote is worth more than double.

It makes no sense.

What's even worse is that 12.6% of people wanted to vote AfD but only 11.5% actually did in FPTP.
10.7% of people wanted to vote FDP and yet only 7% did.
9.2% wanted to vote for die Linke, 8.6% did.
8.9% of people wanted to vote for the Greens, 8% did.

So, that's 6.3% of the people who wanted to vote for these 4 parties and yet changed their votes. For other smaller parties too the whole figure means the main two parties lost about 8% of the vote. That's a lot of people who felt they could not vote for the party of their choice.

If we move this over to the US, you're looking at about 33% - 50% of the people who would NOT vote Democrat or Republican if they ACTUALLY HAD THE CHOICE.

Now, you can try and ignore everything I've said by saying the usual crap like "but this is the system" or "but your vote does count" or whatever. But the reality is NO, your vote DOES NOT COUNT in many cases. People who live in strongholds will not get represented if they vote for anyone else. Because there's no chance to win.

If you prefer the German system of voting, move there.

 

[JWBooth]

I love the silly pretense that anyone’s vote is some moral debt owed to a thief in a suit and his co-conspirators.

It is why I participate on message boards, Kabuki theater is a hoot.

 

[Darkwind]

These kinds of lies are what we should be voting AGAINST people.Get out there and make it happen

Voting against is a ridiculous situation. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me. The current situation is horrible.

. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me

Who is stopping you?

The political system stops many, MANY people.

If you look at Germany, they have 6 parties in parliament. The US has two. The difference is how people vote.

If one person from Berlin votes for Party A in Germany and another person in a village near Stuttgart votes for Party A then Party A has two votes.

In the US is a person from New York votes for Party A and a person in San Francisco votes for Party A, then Party A gets nothing.

Nor should they. We don't vote on a national level. You vote for representation in your district, which means you vote does count.

No, your vote doesn't count.

If you vote for someone in FPTP and they don't win, you're screwed. Your vote is worthless.

Now, I'm going to show you 2017 German Federal election. Why? Because they have FPTP (US style) and PR at the same time.

It's not a perfect example because people KNOW when they vote FPTP that their PR vote is much more important, so they don't have the fear that exists in US elections. But still.

The CDU/CSU gained 37.2% of the votes with FPTP and gained 231 seats out of 299 seats. That's like 77% of the seats.

The SPD gained 24.6% of the votes and 59 seats, that's like 20% of the seats.

The AfD gained 11.5% of the votes and 3 seats, or 1% of the seats.

The FDP gained 7% of the votes and 0 seats, that's 0% of the seats obviously.

Die Linke gained 8.6% of the votes and 5 seats or 1.66% of the seats.

The Greens gained 8% of the votes and 1 seat or 0.33%

Now, for me there's something inherently wrong here. The representation in the Bundestag would bot represent what the people actually wanted. How do you gain 7% of the votes and get told you can't get represented?

Or 8% of the people gain only 0.33% of the power.

Literally the bottom 4 parties make up 35.1% of the votes and get 9 seats, which is 3% of the vote. That's literally you vote for these parties, your vote is only worth 1/10th what it should be.

You vote CDU/CSU and your vote is worth more than double.

It makes no sense.

What's even worse is that 12.6% of people wanted to vote AfD but only 11.5% actually did in FPTP.
10.7% of people wanted to vote FDP and yet only 7% did.
9.2% wanted to vote for die Linke, 8.6% did.
8.9% of people wanted to vote for the Greens, 8% did.

So, that's 6.3% of the people who wanted to vote for these 4 parties and yet changed their votes. For other smaller parties too the whole figure means the main two parties lost about 8% of the vote. That's a lot of people who felt they could not vote for the party of their choice.

If we move this over to the US, you're looking at about 33% - 50% of the people who would NOT vote Democrat or Republican if they ACTUALLY HAD THE CHOICE.

Now, you can try and ignore everything I've said by saying the usual crap like "but this is the system" or "but your vote does count" or whatever. But the reality is NO, your vote DOES NOT COUNT in many cases. People who live in strongholds will not get represented if they vote for anyone else. Because there's no chance to win.

Your answer is that if you don't get you way, you don't count?

Definition of a fucking snowflake.

The founders were amazingly prophetic to make sure we do not bow down to the mob.

ETA: THis is what comes from the derranged mentality that a centeral government is the only solution.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Voting against is a ridiculous situation. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me. The current situation is horrible.

. I want to be able to vote for who I want to represent me

Who is stopping you?

The political system stops many, MANY people.

If you look at Germany, they have 6 parties in parliament. The US has two. The difference is how people vote.

If one person from Berlin votes for Party A in Germany and another person in a village near Stuttgart votes for Party A then Party A has two votes.

In the US is a person from New York votes for Party A and a person in San Francisco votes for Party A, then Party A gets nothing.

Nor should they. We don't vote on a national level. You vote for representation in your district, which means you vote does count.

No, your vote doesn't count.

If you vote for someone in FPTP and they don't win, you're screwed. Your vote is worthless.

Now, I'm going to show you 2017 German Federal election. Why? Because they have FPTP (US style) and PR at the same time.

It's not a perfect example because people KNOW when they vote FPTP that their PR vote is much more important, so they don't have the fear that exists in US elections. But still.

The CDU/CSU gained 37.2% of the votes with FPTP and gained 231 seats out of 299 seats. That's like 77% of the seats.

The SPD gained 24.6% of the votes and 59 seats, that's like 20% of the seats.

The AfD gained 11.5% of the votes and 3 seats, or 1% of the seats.

The FDP gained 7% of the votes and 0 seats, that's 0% of the seats obviously.

Die Linke gained 8.6% of the votes and 5 seats or 1.66% of the seats.

The Greens gained 8% of the votes and 1 seat or 0.33%

Now, for me there's something inherently wrong here. The representation in the Bundestag would bot represent what the people actually wanted. How do you gain 7% of the votes and get told you can't get represented?

Or 8% of the people gain only 0.33% of the power.

Literally the bottom 4 parties make up 35.1% of the votes and get 9 seats, which is 3% of the vote. That's literally you vote for these parties, your vote is only worth 1/10th what it should be.

You vote CDU/CSU and your vote is worth more than double.

It makes no sense.

What's even worse is that 12.6% of people wanted to vote AfD but only 11.5% actually did in FPTP.
10.7% of people wanted to vote FDP and yet only 7% did.
9.2% wanted to vote for die Linke, 8.6% did.
8.9% of people wanted to vote for the Greens, 8% did.

So, that's 6.3% of the people who wanted to vote for these 4 parties and yet changed their votes. For other smaller parties too the whole figure means the main two parties lost about 8% of the vote. That's a lot of people who felt they could not vote for the party of their choice.

If we move this over to the US, you're looking at about 33% - 50% of the people who would NOT vote Democrat or Republican if they ACTUALLY HAD THE CHOICE.

Now, you can try and ignore everything I've said by saying the usual crap like "but this is the system" or "but your vote does count" or whatever. But the reality is NO, your vote DOES NOT COUNT in many cases. People who live in strongholds will not get represented if they vote for anyone else. Because there's no chance to win.

If you prefer the German system of voting, move there.

And here was me expecting a proper adult like discussion.

No, instead I get the most brain dead answer possible.

Oh, and it turns out that the person doing it is mod who I can't put on ignore too. Great..... Seriously, next time you see a post from me, just don't fucking answer it. I can do without brain dead shit.

 

[Auld Phart]

Who is stopping you?

The political system stops many, MANY people.

If you look at Germany, they have 6 parties in parliament. The US has two. The difference is how people vote.

If one person from Berlin votes for Party A in Germany and another person in a village near Stuttgart votes for Party A then Party A has two votes.

In the US is a person from New York votes for Party A and a person in San Francisco votes for Party A, then Party A gets nothing.

Nor should they. We don't vote on a national level. You vote for representation in your district, which means you vote does count.

No, your vote doesn't count.

If you vote for someone in FPTP and they don't win, you're screwed. Your vote is worthless.

Now, I'm going to show you 2017 German Federal election. Why? Because they have FPTP (US style) and PR at the same time.

It's not a perfect example because people KNOW when they vote FPTP that their PR vote is much more important, so they don't have the fear that exists in US elections. But still.

The CDU/CSU gained 37.2% of the votes with FPTP and gained 231 seats out of 299 seats. That's like 77% of the seats.

The SPD gained 24.6% of the votes and 59 seats, that's like 20% of the seats.

The AfD gained 11.5% of the votes and 3 seats, or 1% of the seats.

The FDP gained 7% of the votes and 0 seats, that's 0% of the seats obviously.

Die Linke gained 8.6% of the votes and 5 seats or 1.66% of the seats.

The Greens gained 8% of the votes and 1 seat or 0.33%

Now, for me there's something inherently wrong here. The representation in the Bundestag would bot represent what the people actually wanted. How do you gain 7% of the votes and get told you can't get represented?

Or 8% of the people gain only 0.33% of the power.

Literally the bottom 4 parties make up 35.1% of the votes and get 9 seats, which is 3% of the vote. That's literally you vote for these parties, your vote is only worth 1/10th what it should be.

You vote CDU/CSU and your vote is worth more than double.

It makes no sense.

What's even worse is that 12.6% of people wanted to vote AfD but only 11.5% actually did in FPTP.
10.7% of people wanted to vote FDP and yet only 7% did.
9.2% wanted to vote for die Linke, 8.6% did.
8.9% of people wanted to vote for the Greens, 8% did.

So, that's 6.3% of the people who wanted to vote for these 4 parties and yet changed their votes. For other smaller parties too the whole figure means the main two parties lost about 8% of the vote. That's a lot of people who felt they could not vote for the party of their choice.

If we move this over to the US, you're looking at about 33% - 50% of the people who would NOT vote Democrat or Republican if they ACTUALLY HAD THE CHOICE.

Now, you can try and ignore everything I've said by saying the usual crap like "but this is the system" or "but your vote does count" or whatever. But the reality is NO, your vote DOES NOT COUNT in many cases. People who live in strongholds will not get represented if they vote for anyone else. Because there's no chance to win.

If you prefer the German system of voting, move there.

And here was me expecting a proper adult like discussion.

No, instead I get the most brain dead answer possible.

Brain dead?

you don't like our system, claiming your vote doesn't count, and tout Germanys system.

What do you want?

the country to change the system we've had for over 2 centuries to make you happy?

(talk about brain dead)

 

[frigidweirdo]

The political system stops many, MANY people.

If you look at Germany, they have 6 parties in parliament. The US has two. The difference is how people vote.

If one person from Berlin votes for Party A in Germany and another person in a village near Stuttgart votes for Party A then Party A has two votes.

In the US is a person from New York votes for Party A and a person in San Francisco votes for Party A, then Party A gets nothing.

Nor should they. We don't vote on a national level. You vote for representation in your district, which means you vote does count.

No, your vote doesn't count.

If you vote for someone in FPTP and they don't win, you're screwed. Your vote is worthless.

Now, I'm going to show you 2017 German Federal election. Why? Because they have FPTP (US style) and PR at the same time.

It's not a perfect example because people KNOW when they vote FPTP that their PR vote is much more important, so they don't have the fear that exists in US elections. But still.

The CDU/CSU gained 37.2% of the votes with FPTP and gained 231 seats out of 299 seats. That's like 77% of the seats.

The SPD gained 24.6% of the votes and 59 seats, that's like 20% of the seats.

The AfD gained 11.5% of the votes and 3 seats, or 1% of the seats.

The FDP gained 7% of the votes and 0 seats, that's 0% of the seats obviously.

Die Linke gained 8.6% of the votes and 5 seats or 1.66% of the seats.

The Greens gained 8% of the votes and 1 seat or 0.33%

Now, for me there's something inherently wrong here. The representation in the Bundestag would bot represent what the people actually wanted. How do you gain 7% of the votes and get told you can't get represented?

Or 8% of the people gain only 0.33% of the power.

Literally the bottom 4 parties make up 35.1% of the votes and get 9 seats, which is 3% of the vote. That's literally you vote for these parties, your vote is only worth 1/10th what it should be.

You vote CDU/CSU and your vote is worth more than double.

It makes no sense.

What's even worse is that 12.6% of people wanted to vote AfD but only 11.5% actually did in FPTP.
10.7% of people wanted to vote FDP and yet only 7% did.
9.2% wanted to vote for die Linke, 8.6% did.
8.9% of people wanted to vote for the Greens, 8% did.

So, that's 6.3% of the people who wanted to vote for these 4 parties and yet changed their votes. For other smaller parties too the whole figure means the main two parties lost about 8% of the vote. That's a lot of people who felt they could not vote for the party of their choice.

If we move this over to the US, you're looking at about 33% - 50% of the people who would NOT vote Democrat or Republican if they ACTUALLY HAD THE CHOICE.

Now, you can try and ignore everything I've said by saying the usual crap like "but this is the system" or "but your vote does count" or whatever. But the reality is NO, your vote DOES NOT COUNT in many cases. People who live in strongholds will not get represented if they vote for anyone else. Because there's no chance to win.

If you prefer the German system of voting, move there.

And here was me expecting a proper adult like discussion.

No, instead I get the most brain dead answer possible.

Brain dead?

you don't like our system, claiming your vote doesn't count, and tout Germanys system.

What do you want?

the country to change the system we've had for over 2 centuries to make you happy?

(talk about brain dead)

GO AWAY!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nor should they. We don't vote on a national level. You vote for representation in your district, which means you vote does count.

No, your vote doesn't count.

If you vote for someone in FPTP and they don't win, you're screwed. Your vote is worthless.

Now, I'm going to show you 2017 German Federal election. Why? Because they have FPTP (US style) and PR at the same time.

It's not a perfect example because people KNOW when they vote FPTP that their PR vote is much more important, so they don't have the fear that exists in US elections. But still.

The CDU/CSU gained 37.2% of the votes with FPTP and gained 231 seats out of 299 seats. That's like 77% of the seats.

The SPD gained 24.6% of the votes and 59 seats, that's like 20% of the seats.

The AfD gained 11.5% of the votes and 3 seats, or 1% of the seats.

The FDP gained 7% of the votes and 0 seats, that's 0% of the seats obviously.

Die Linke gained 8.6% of the votes and 5 seats or 1.66% of the seats.

The Greens gained 8% of the votes and 1 seat or 0.33%

Now, for me there's something inherently wrong here. The representation in the Bundestag would bot represent what the people actually wanted. How do you gain 7% of the votes and get told you can't get represented?

Or 8% of the people gain only 0.33% of the power.

Literally the bottom 4 parties make up 35.1% of the votes and get 9 seats, which is 3% of the vote. That's literally you vote for these parties, your vote is only worth 1/10th what it should be.

You vote CDU/CSU and your vote is worth more than double.

It makes no sense.

What's even worse is that 12.6% of people wanted to vote AfD but only 11.5% actually did in FPTP.
10.7% of people wanted to vote FDP and yet only 7% did.
9.2% wanted to vote for die Linke, 8.6% did.
8.9% of people wanted to vote for the Greens, 8% did.

So, that's 6.3% of the people who wanted to vote for these 4 parties and yet changed their votes. For other smaller parties too the whole figure means the main two parties lost about 8% of the vote. That's a lot of people who felt they could not vote for the party of their choice.

If we move this over to the US, you're looking at about 33% - 50% of the people who would NOT vote Democrat or Republican if they ACTUALLY HAD THE CHOICE.

Now, you can try and ignore everything I've said by saying the usual crap like "but this is the system" or "but your vote does count" or whatever. But the reality is NO, your vote DOES NOT COUNT in many cases. People who live in strongholds will not get represented if they vote for anyone else. Because there's no chance to win.

If you prefer the German system of voting, move there.

And here was me expecting a proper adult like discussion.

No, instead I get the most brain dead answer possible.

Brain dead?

you don't like our system, claiming your vote doesn't count, and tout Germanys system.

What do you want?

the country to change the system we've had for over 2 centuries to make you happy?

(talk about brain dead)

GO AWAY!

We voted on it, he can stay.

 

[my2¢]

Had a change of heart. This year the only office I'm all that interested in is the State Mine Inspector position.

​

 

[Dekster]

I am a progressive in a toss up house district where the dem is a little behind in the polls, and I am still not voting for them. Sucks, but the democrats are so depressing and she is so establishment DNC in her everything that I have absolutely no idea how she would help my district. Her mailers are all negative attacks on her opponent; despite her claims to listen to the people she has never responded to any tweets by regular people, and she had made it crystal clear that her end of the district is the only place that really matters to her. She is so ugh there is no way I can vote for her.

 

[Lesh]

MATTERS people.

EVERY vote counts.

Trump won in 2016 because of a mere 80,000 votes spread across three states...out of 160 MILLION.

If you need further illustration about how important every vote is, consider this.

The Virginia legislature was until this year Republican and they were blocking Medicaid expansion to tens of thousands of Virginians.

In 2017 the legislature flipped from Republican to Dem by one seat. And that seat was won by ONE vote.

Because of that ONE vote...tens of thousands of people got healthcare

Every vote matters

I repeat

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

MATTERS people.

EVERY vote counts.

Trump won in 2016 because of a mere 80,000 votes spread across three states...out of 160 MILLION.

If you need further illustration about how important every vote is, consider this.

The Virginia legislature was until this year Republican and they were blocking Medicaid expansion to tens of thousands of Virginians.

In 2017 the legislature flipped from Republican to Dem by one seat. And that seat was won by ONE vote.

Because of that ONE vote...tens of thousands of people got healthcare

Every vote matters

I repeat

She cheated enough to steal the primaries, she couldn't cheat enough to steal the general election.

At least now she can get drunk and throw ashtrays without any Secret Service witnesses.

 

[Lesh]

Newsflash..

Clinton is running for exactly NO office

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Newsflash...….DURR

 

[Lesh]

I am a progressive in a toss up house district where the dem is a little behind in the polls, and I am still not voting for them. Sucks, but the democrats are so depressing and she is so establishment DNC in her everything that I have absolutely no idea how she would help my district. Her mailers are all negative attacks on her opponent; despite her claims to listen to the people she has never responded to any tweets by regular people, and she had made it crystal clear that her end of the district is the only place that really matters to her. She is so ugh there is no way I can vote for her.

That's just stupid