Was Adam really the first human and if so...

[RWS]

Greatest post ever!

 

[Wayne Adams]

Just follow your ideal of Jesus. Doesn't matter if he existed or not. It's the ideal of Jesus.

Follow your life based on the ideal of Jesus. Ask what your ideal of Jesus would do in any particular matter, when you're at a crossroads.

There's no religion necessary. It's just the belief in an ideal. Can be many other figures than Jesus. The point is doing what is "good" for humanity.

There are two issues:

1) If the path you've chosen results in answered prayers and you having an abundant life, then you can thank the God you're following. If they aren't, maybe you're following the wrong God

2) If the Bible makes a promise or a prediction and it turns out to be true, then as our Declaration of Independence says, the truth is self evident.

There are no issues. There is no God. We can't insert an imaginary being as the monkey wrench in our lives.

We have ideals, that are natural to most of us, and every other intelligent life form. Those ideals are there because it helps us survive, and therefore procreate more.

Religion is the monkey wrench, which tells us to kill and subjugate innocent people to promote the religion. That's a power issue, which is unique to humans, where we seek to make wealth based on the suffering of others.

We need to stop following religions, and start following reality. And help each other, instead of hating each other.

Sounds like Jesus, right? But it's not, it's an ideal that religions won't let us follow.

Your posts don't merit any response since they are wrong on so many levels. So, I will not dignify any of your B.S. with a reply. It's not warranted. I'm just letting you know, I read that tripe, but it has nothing to do with the OP and you should debate the reality that God exists elsewhere.

 

[hobelim]

Just follow your ideal of Jesus. Doesn't matter if he existed or not. It's the ideal of Jesus.

Follow your life based on the ideal of Jesus. Ask what your ideal of Jesus would do in any particular matter, when you're at a crossroads.

There's no religion necessary. It's just the belief in an ideal. Can be many other figures than Jesus. The point is doing what is "good" for humanity.

There are two issues:

1) If the path you've chosen results in answered prayers and you having an abundant life, then you can thank the God you're following. If they aren't, maybe you're following the wrong God

2) If the Bible makes a promise or a prediction and it turns out to be true, then as our Declaration of Independence says, the truth is self evident.

There are no issues. There is no God. We can't insert an imaginary being as the monkey wrench in our lives.

We have ideals, that are natural to most of us, and every other intelligent life form. Those ideals are there because it helps us survive, and therefore procreate more.

Religion is the monkey wrench, which tells us to kill and subjugate innocent people to promote the religion. That's a power issue, which is unique to humans, where we seek to make wealth based on the suffering of others.

We need to stop following religions, and start following reality. And help each other, instead of hating each other.

Sounds like Jesus, right? But it's not, it's an ideal that religions won't let us follow.

Your posts don't merit any response since they are wrong on so many levels. So, I will not dignify any of your B.S. with a reply. It's not warranted. I'm just letting you know, I read that tripe, but it has nothing to do with the OP and you should debate the reality that God exists elsewhere.

How is the question of Gods existence not relevant when discussing the story of Adam and Eve?

If you don't like to hear what people say in response to the subject you brought up don't start a post about it.

 

[Faun]

”Was Adam really the first human and if so...”

Of course he wasn’t. There were other people besides Adam and Eve. Where do you think Adam’s daughters-in-law came from?

 

[Slyhunter]

Just follow your ideal of Jesus. Doesn't matter if he existed or not. It's the ideal of Jesus.

Follow your life based on the ideal of Jesus. Ask what your ideal of Jesus would do in any particular matter, when you're at a crossroads.

There's no religion necessary. It's just the belief in an ideal. Can be many other figures than Jesus. The point is doing what is "good" for humanity.

There are two issues:

1) If the path you've chosen results in answered prayers and you having an abundant life, then you can thank the God you're following. If they aren't, maybe you're following the wrong God

2) If the Bible makes a promise or a prediction and it turns out to be true, then as our Declaration of Independence says, the truth is self evident.

There are no issues. There is no God. We can't insert an imaginary being as the monkey wrench in our lives.

We have ideals, that are natural to most of us, and every other intelligent life form. Those ideals are there because it helps us survive, and therefore procreate more.

Religion is the monkey wrench, which tells us to kill and subjugate innocent people to promote the religion. That's a power issue, which is unique to humans, where we seek to make wealth based on the suffering of others.

We need to stop following religions, and start following reality. And help each other, instead of hating each other.

Sounds like Jesus, right? But it's not, it's an ideal that religions won't let us follow.

Your posts don't merit any response since they are wrong on so many levels. So, I will not dignify any of your B.S. with a reply. It's not warranted. I'm just letting you know, I read that tripe, but it has nothing to do with the OP and you should debate the reality that God exists elsewhere.

This is a response. You did dignify his B.S. with a reply by saying you weren't going to.

 

[Wayne Adams]

Just follow your ideal of Jesus. Doesn't matter if he existed or not. It's the ideal of Jesus.

Follow your life based on the ideal of Jesus. Ask what your ideal of Jesus would do in any particular matter, when you're at a crossroads.

There's no religion necessary. It's just the belief in an ideal. Can be many other figures than Jesus. The point is doing what is "good" for humanity.

There are two issues:

1) If the path you've chosen results in answered prayers and you having an abundant life, then you can thank the God you're following. If they aren't, maybe you're following the wrong God

2) If the Bible makes a promise or a prediction and it turns out to be true, then as our Declaration of Independence says, the truth is self evident.

There are no issues. There is no God. We can't insert an imaginary being as the monkey wrench in our lives.

We have ideals, that are natural to most of us, and every other intelligent life form. Those ideals are there because it helps us survive, and therefore procreate more.

Religion is the monkey wrench, which tells us to kill and subjugate innocent people to promote the religion. That's a power issue, which is unique to humans, where we seek to make wealth based on the suffering of others.

We need to stop following religions, and start following reality. And help each other, instead of hating each other.

Sounds like Jesus, right? But it's not, it's an ideal that religions won't let us follow.

Your posts don't merit any response since they are wrong on so many levels. So, I will not dignify any of your B.S. with a reply. It's not warranted. I'm just letting you know, I read that tripe, but it has nothing to do with the OP and you should debate the reality that God exists elsewhere.

How is the question of Gods existence not relevant when discussing the story of Adam and Eve?

If you don't like to hear what people say in response to the subject you brought up don't start a post about it.

The question of God's existence is irrelevant to whether or not Adam and Eve really were the first humans (as we know them.)

The biggest reason that you cannot stay on topic are the side roads that go down rabbit holes without addressing the OP. If we stop to argue the relevancy as to whether or not there is a God, we never get to the point of whether or not Adam was the first "man."

Atheists believe if they can attack mainstream misconceptions it somehow discredits the belief that a God exists. They realize that once you stop and reconcile the Bible with science, it discredits their posts denying that God exists.

Once we can reconcile the fact that the Bible absolutely does not teach that Adam is the first man, we come closer to being more objective as to whether or not God exists. The atheists are trying to use the OP to prove there is no God. In order not to discuss the fact that they base their conclusions on mistranslations, they choose to change the subject. I refuse to go down the rabbit hole.

 

[Wayne Adams]

Just follow your ideal of Jesus. Doesn't matter if he existed or not. It's the ideal of Jesus.

Follow your life based on the ideal of Jesus. Ask what your ideal of Jesus would do in any particular matter, when you're at a crossroads.

There's no religion necessary. It's just the belief in an ideal. Can be many other figures than Jesus. The point is doing what is "good" for humanity.

There are two issues:

1) If the path you've chosen results in answered prayers and you having an abundant life, then you can thank the God you're following. If they aren't, maybe you're following the wrong God

2) If the Bible makes a promise or a prediction and it turns out to be true, then as our Declaration of Independence says, the truth is self evident.

There are no issues. There is no God. We can't insert an imaginary being as the monkey wrench in our lives.

We have ideals, that are natural to most of us, and every other intelligent life form. Those ideals are there because it helps us survive, and therefore procreate more.

Religion is the monkey wrench, which tells us to kill and subjugate innocent people to promote the religion. That's a power issue, which is unique to humans, where we seek to make wealth based on the suffering of others.

We need to stop following religions, and start following reality. And help each other, instead of hating each other.

Sounds like Jesus, right? But it's not, it's an ideal that religions won't let us follow.

Your posts don't merit any response since they are wrong on so many levels. So, I will not dignify any of your B.S. with a reply. It's not warranted. I'm just letting you know, I read that tripe, but it has nothing to do with the OP and you should debate the reality that God exists elsewhere.

This is a response. You did dignify his B.S. with a reply by saying you weren't going to.

I'm only acknowledging that I read his post. When there are false presuppositions, mischaracterizations, innuendo, followed by dishonest finger pointing, it would do literally no good to delve into it.

 

[ding]

You seek to subordinate religion.

To what?

To lower in rank or position; to weaken it.

 

[ding]

I aimed my response to the thread as a whole. I've read it. The disconnects are pretty well obvious. So, what needs to be said was not being considered.

Amateur historians and people taught in seminaries see the world from their own little box. Neither would be willing to consider the fact that they might have something wrong.

Ummmm, you're just a little ant waiting for someone to jump on.

Good luck!

Please don't jump on me.

Even a little ant can have a stinging bite.

And I agree with you, I think we're thinking on the same side, sans alcohol.

And i mean me, not you. You're absolutely right. Religions are in terrible boxes, and I don't how to break the boxes without violence. Because it should not take violence to make people see the truth.

A lot of people talk about truth. Most of them are talking about subjective truth.

Do you know how to see objective truth?

Your objective truth is actually subjective truth. Your truth is based on the fact that you were born into your religion. That's subjective.

If you were born into a different family that had a different religion, you would be arguing just as hard for that other religion.

Not true. I left my religion. But regardless of that, that doesn't really enter the determination.

Do you know how to see objective truth? It's not that fucking complicated.

If you can't tell me how one sees objective truth, then how the hell can you tell me I am not objective?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Creation Story is a myth / allegory. That doesn't mean it's useless, however. It's just not what actually happened. Personally, I believe in Intelligent Design.

How do you know that? Jesus confirmed the creation account. Why do you reject His authority?

 

[ding]

Even a little ant can have a stinging bite.

And I agree with you, I think we're thinking on the same side, sans alcohol.

And i mean me, not you. You're absolutely right. Religions are in terrible boxes, and I don't how to break the boxes without violence. Because it should not take violence to make people see the truth.

A lot of people talk about truth. Most of them are talking about subjective truth.

Do you know how to see objective truth?

Can I try?

Those who believe that God can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food are at best, not too swift.

Hows that for objective truth?

That would be an example of subjective truth.

The question wasn’t give an example of subjective truth. The question was how does one go about seeing objective truth.

You use the practice of science. You don't just go on stuff because you were born into it, and the stories you've been told. You go with the science where you can actually test things and determine the validity of the evidence. And science says that the Earth was created 4.5 billion years ago. Not 6000 years ago.

Scientists are human beings and are not immune to subjectivity.

The earth was created 4.5 billion years ago. Never said it wasn't. The account of Genesis is at least 6,000 years old or so, maybe older. It was passed down verbally from generation to generation until it was it was captured as characters in the Chinese language 4500 years ago. It was recorded by Moses 1,100 years later.

But getting back to your answer, that was a pretty stupid answer. Why don't you just admit you have absolutely no clue about how to be objective.

 

[ding]

Yes, influence me.

Your militancy holds no sway with me though.

lol... militancy? lol... Do you feel threatened? Am I causing you anxiety? Are you afraid of something?

I'm sure you are. And I'm not surprised.

Who wouldn't have an acute anxiety issue when they are caught in a web of their own lies?

Guilt will bring you down like a stone. I have nothing to do with your guilt.

My hands are clean.

Stating the obvious is not being afraid. It is stating the obvious. You seek to subordinate religion. That’s plain and simple.

You may think that given the defiled state of your mind . The truth is you would not have accused me of being militant unless you felt the weight of your guilt, perceived some sort of threat, and were afraid. so I'll clear it up for you.

I am not here to subordinate religion.

I have come to set the prisoners free and put an end to the curse that Jesus was instructed by God to put on the nations because they disrespected him constantly, denounced the only way to eternal life (making evil a deliberate choice) and pissed off his God just one too many times.

You can say it as poetically as you like, it's the same thing. You seek to subordinate religion. Just as socialism and communism require. So your mentioning prisoners is apropos.

No. You are wrong. This country is supposed to be dedicated to and stand for truth, liberty, and equal justice under the law. That in and of itself requires the condemnation and extirpation of all religions that are based on provable lies, suppression of the known truth, perversion of justice, elimination of individual liberty, and the establishment of secular laws that favor believers and criminalize unbelievers.. Its completely un-American. Under existing law your religion is guilty of child abuse, even if there were no sexual crimes, but there are many. You teach people that the devil, pure evil, is any rational objection to what is objectively and verifiably false creating a state of cognitive dissonance, effectively rendering the mind useless as so generously demonstrated by you in your obstinate stupidity in trying to justify what your own bible teaches is evil, the worship of that which is not God, an abomination that causes desolation. Chaos in the mind and the inevitable degradation and ultimate destruction of a civilized society.

All of you believers out there are hell bent on destroying every founding principle of this country in the name of a false three in one edible god that became a man but does not actually correspond to any real living being ever in existence.. Even stooping so low as electing to the highest office the repulsive antithesis of everything you pretend to stand for. Thats not communism. Thats not socialism. Thats not religious freedom.Thats not patriotism. Thats not making America great again. Thats not putting America first. Thats not faith in Jesus. Thats not love for God.

Thats flat out evil.

Do yourself a favor. Just shut up and find another hobby. You suck at acting.

BTW if someone really wanted to screw up this country they wouldn't suppress religion, they would promote it.

Hell, dude, you are even more extreme than I thought. You are at open war with religion. Which religions do you want to suffer extirpation?

 

[ding]

Greatest post ever!

Why am I not surprised that you believe ending all religions is the greatest post evah?

Maybe you boys should form a mob instead of being a bunch of pussies.

I mean, heck, if religion is as evil as you say it is, you really should take matters into your own hands.

But since the best you have done is cry about da evil religion on the internet, I can only conclude that it isn't as bad as you say it is or you are both a couple of massive pussies. Grow a pair already.

 

[hobelim]

Greatest post ever!

Why am I not surprised that you believe ending all religions is the greatest post evah?

Maybe you boys should form a mob instead of being a bunch of pussies.

I mean, heck, if religion is as evil as you say it is, you really should take matters into your own hands.

But since the best you have done is cry about da evil religion on the internet, I can only conclude that it isn't as bad as you say it is or you are both a couple of massive pussies. Grow a pair already.

Wow. Thats was quite a meltdown...What happened to your confidence in being an insignificant part of the majority?

Form a mob? Take matter into our own hands? Best we have done is cry? lol... You really do have no idea, do you.

Thats a shame.

I'll tell you a little secret. No matter how large the group is that you have become a part of, it hasn't made you bigger than one. It has made you smaller than one.

 

[ding]

Greatest post ever!

Why am I not surprised that you believe ending all religions is the greatest post evah?

Maybe you boys should form a mob instead of being a bunch of pussies.

I mean, heck, if religion is as evil as you say it is, you really should take matters into your own hands.

But since the best you have done is cry about da evil religion on the internet, I can only conclude that it isn't as bad as you say it is or you are both a couple of massive pussies. Grow a pair already.

Wow. Thats was quite a meltdown...What happened to your confidence in being an insignificant part of the majority?

Form a mob? Take matter into our own hands? Best we have done is cry? lol... You really do have no idea, do you.

Thats a shame.

I'll tell you a little secret. No matter how large a group you think you are a part of, it hasn't made you bigger than one. It has made you smaller than one.

Meltdown? More like make fun of.

You two are sick.

 

[K9Buck]

There is no God. We need to stop following religions, and start following reality. And help each other, instead of hating each other.

If there is no "God", then there is no such thing as moral law. If there is no God, then we're just animals just like lions, hyenas and rats are animals. As such, why should we "help each other" unless there is some direct benefit to us? For that matter, and provided they don't get caught, what's the downside from them stealing from another?

 

[K9Buck]

It's sad that there seems to be so much hatred in this thread.

 

[Karl Rand]

There is no God. We need to stop following religions, and start following reality. And help each other, instead of hating each other.

If there is no "God", then there is no such thing as moral law. If there is no God, then we're just animals just like lions, hyenas and rats are animals. As such, why should we "help each other" unless there is some direct benefit to us? For that matter, and provided they don't get caught, what's the downside from them stealing from another?

As is too often the case, the religious resort to simplistic, pseudo-philosophical gibberish in their claim the only basis for any form of morality is religion. May I suggest a cursory study of the history of philosophy may surprise you.?

 

[RWS]

Just follow your ideal of Jesus. Doesn't matter if he existed or not. It's the ideal of Jesus.

Follow your life based on the ideal of Jesus. Ask what your ideal of Jesus would do in any particular matter, when you're at a crossroads.

There's no religion necessary. It's just the belief in an ideal. Can be many other figures than Jesus. The point is doing what is "good" for humanity.

There are two issues:

1) If the path you've chosen results in answered prayers and you having an abundant life, then you can thank the God you're following. If they aren't, maybe you're following the wrong God

2) If the Bible makes a promise or a prediction and it turns out to be true, then as our Declaration of Independence says, the truth is self evident.

There are no issues. There is no God. We can't insert an imaginary being as the monkey wrench in our lives.

We have ideals, that are natural to most of us, and every other intelligent life form. Those ideals are there because it helps us survive, and therefore procreate more.

Religion is the monkey wrench, which tells us to kill and subjugate innocent people to promote the religion. That's a power issue, which is unique to humans, where we seek to make wealth based on the suffering of others.

We need to stop following religions, and start following reality. And help each other, instead of hating each other.

Sounds like Jesus, right? But it's not, it's an ideal that religions won't let us follow.

Your posts don't merit any response since they are wrong on so many levels. So, I will not dignify any of your B.S. with a reply. It's not warranted. I'm just letting you know, I read that tripe, but it has nothing to do with the OP and you should debate the reality that God exists elsewhere.

Really?

Lemme get back to you on that...

 

[RWS]

Ummmm, you're just a little ant waiting for someone to jump on.

Good luck!

Please don't jump on me.

Even a little ant can have a stinging bite.

And I agree with you, I think we're thinking on the same side, sans alcohol.

And i mean me, not you. You're absolutely right. Religions are in terrible boxes, and I don't how to break the boxes without violence. Because it should not take violence to make people see the truth.

A lot of people talk about truth. Most of them are talking about subjective truth.

Do you know how to see objective truth?

Your objective truth is actually subjective truth. Your truth is based on the fact that you were born into your religion. That's subjective.

If you were born into a different family that had a different religion, you would be arguing just as hard for that other religion.

Not true. I left my religion. But regardless of that, that doesn't really enter the determination.

Do you know how to see objective truth? It's not that fucking complicated.

If you can't tell me how one sees objective truth, then how the hell can you tell me I am not objective?

You only see subjective truth, thru you're religion lenses.