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I didn't say the right wanted to keep things as they are. I said they wanted it to be how it was.It is generalization. Get over it.Okay, I'm sure that, due to its simplicity, you can explain why it is wrong.That's rather simplistic and wrong.
Well, because there are people on the right who want to change things to how they think they were. They have this nice fluffy view of life in the 1950s where they put all the nostalgia in, and ignore all the bad things.
They don't want to keep it as it is. They don't even want to keep/change it back to how it was.
There are people on the right who have ideas of keeping people down. Like racists. Yes, they want some things as they had been, segregation or slavery, but they don't want EVERYTHING to be as it was. They like their pick up trucks, but would also like slavery.
Also, on the left not everyone is for change all the time of everything. Many people on the left want change that is beneficial. They want to keep some things the same. It depends.
I, for example, am in favor of stricter borders. Others are, and maybe this is because they're blinded by partisanship, or other reasons.
You have so many levels of left and right that it's impossible to say "someone on the left thinks this". I'm sure I could find people on the left with whom I disagree about almost everything.
And the point you make about the right was implied by my use of the past tense.
the right wants to keep it the same as it was.
Oh, you wanted to know what was wrong with what you said, then you get angry when I give an answer. It's not a generalization at all. It's just something that's not actually true.
How many people on the right want things to stay as they are? High crime among black people, for example?
We are saying the same thing.
kHuh?
He executed 84 Generals. If I remember correctly, about 20 or so were connected with the attempted assassination plot, others for "mismanagement"... and failure to perform.
like? not sure I remember their names...give me a ballpark figure on the number.lol.... yeah like executing people close to him.
Left wing. fascism is a part of socialism.I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?
Ever see Eleanor?While we're at it, if Benito Mussolini was also right-wing, why then was FDR so enamored with him?
Hitler privatized industry once belonging to the Weimer Republic.Left wing. fascism is a part of socialism.I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?
it's government backed capitalism or corporatism.
it was founded by socialists and every tennet within it is socialist
free healthcare
free college
gov owned banks and industries.
Hitler was far Right, something the U.S.A doesn't have.
The U.S.A mainly has two Liberal, Left Wing parties, the Republicans, and the Democrats.
What charachteritics defined Hitler as right wing?
Authoritarian, Hierarchy, Traditional values, etc.
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Alternative Title: right wing
Right, portion of the political spectrum associated with conservative political thought. The term derives from the seating arrangement of the French revolutionary parliament (c.1790s) in which the conservative representatives sat to the presiding officer’s right. In the 19th century the term applied to conservatives who supported authority, tradition, and property. In the 20th century a divergent, radical form developed that was associated with fascism. See also left.
Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]
The political terms "Left" and "Right" were first used during the French Revolution (1789–1799) and referred to seating arrangements in the French parliament: those who sat to the right of the chair of the parliamentary president were broadly supportive of the institutions of the monarchist Old Regime.[15][16][17][18] The original Right in France was formed as a reaction against the "Left" and comprised those politicians supporting hierarchy, tradition and clericalism.[4]:693 The use of the expression la droite ("the right") became prominent in France after the restoration of the monarchy in 1815, when it was applied to the Ultra-royalists.[19] The people of English-speaking countries did not apply the terms "right" and "left" to their own politics until the 20th century.[20]Authoritarian, Hierarchy, Traditional values, etc.
So youre accusing Germans of having traditional values of genocide, war aggressors, socialists, racism, and wanting to conquer the world.
I understand that Hitler hated free-market capitalism and supported the concept of government managing the economy, healthcare, education and virtually everything else under the sun. Hitler certainly wasn't an advocate for limited government. So how did Hitler become "right wing"?
Was not FDR an admirer of another fascist, Benito Mussolini? But Mussolini was, somehow, also "right wing"?
Does being a nationalist render one a fascist? If so, then it would seem that Gandhi and Lincoln were fascists, right? Yea, I didn't think so either.
As far as I can tell, Hitler identifies far more with the modern left than the modern right.
Where am I going wrong?
On the spectrum, Left is Government control and right is individual liberty.
Pretty easy after that
Hitler believed the German State needed to be guided by an authority figure. He didn't believe that the transition from a monarchist system to a more liberal Republican one, as represented by the Weimar Republic, was good for the German people. He returned the German people to an authoritative form of government.His ideology was make Germany great again.
I'm not so certain that Hitler was looking to a Germanic past as a model for greatness. Hitler wanted to conquer the lands to the east in order to build a greater German empire.
Hitler believed the German State needed to be guided by an authority figure. He didn't believe that the transition from a monarchist system to a more liberal Republican one, as represented by the Weimar Republic, was good for the German people. He returned the German people to an authoritative form of government.His ideology was make Germany great again.
I'm not so certain that Hitler was looking to a Germanic past as a model for greatness. Hitler wanted to conquer the lands to the east in order to build a greater German empire.
he was a socialist, national socialist to be exact, and therefore on the left.I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?
that doesn't mean he's a democrat, even if he and democrats rounded up innocent men women and children and put them in camps.
No, he wasn't a Socialist at all.
Hitler was a Nationalist, which is seen as being right wing.
He was a Germanic Nationalist, seeing all Germanic peoples as one. That's generally half of Austria, most of Germany, and parts of surrounding countries and most of Switzerland.
He saw Jewish people as being non-Germanic, so he hated them. He saw Slavs as non-Germanic, so he hated them. Germanic people were superior to all other people and everyone else should be their slaves.
There was a guy called Drexler who was both Nationalistic and Socialist. His party was the DAP, The German Workers' Party. He wanted to have Socialist in the title, but others thought that wasn't a good idea, mainly because they were opposed to the Communists and were also aiming for the Middle Classes.
Hitler joined this party. He was member 555 (claimed number 7)
The problem was that Drexler, the one who wanted Socialism, and the other socialists, were either made to be powerless or killed.
National Socialism is not Socialism.
Nazism - Wikipedia
"The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization."
The Socialism part was essentially that you gave up your independence for the great good of Nationalism.
I think you can say or think whatever you want to validate your own opinion.Hitler believed the German State needed to be guided by an authority figure. He didn't believe that the transition from a monarchist system to a more liberal Republican one, as represented by the Weimar Republic, was good for the German people. He returned the German people to an authoritative form of government.His ideology was make Germany great again.
I'm not so certain that Hitler was looking to a Germanic past as a model for greatness. Hitler wanted to conquer the lands to the east in order to build a greater German empire.
I think it could be said that Hitler's ideas for the future of German were "revolutionary".
On the spectrum, Left is Government control and right is individual liberty.
Pretty easy after that
Both extremes end up the same place, with a handful at the top and owning everybody else.
Concurs with my own view. Different means; same end.
Greg
That's why you're confused. The horse shoe political perspective is asinine and deliberately designed to manipulate people from seeing right vs. wrong.
I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?
Hitler was a Fascist, defined as extreme right wing, nationalistic and authoritarian. But we've been through this infinity in past 3 days. Nobody is gonna change anyone's mind. Of course, that goes without saying on EVERY topic in these forums.
Hitler privatized industry once belonging to the Weimer Republic.Left wing. fascism is a part of socialism.I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?
it's government backed capitalism or corporatism.
it was founded by socialists and every tennet within it is socialist
free healthcare
free college
gov owned banks and industries.
Right wing, even by your ignorant standards.
I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?
hitlere was a left wing socialist.
hitler...
HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
The context of Nazism
"True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt's: "Give back Alsace and Lorraine". For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?"Have a look at the quote immediately above and say who wrote it. It is a typical Hitler rant, is it not? Give it to 100 people who know Hitler's speeches and 100 would identify it as something said by Adolf. The fierce German nationalism and territorial ambition is unmistakeable. And if there is any doubt, have a look at another quote from the same author:This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom.That settles it, doesn't it? Who does not know of Hitler's glorification of military sacrifice and his aim to establish a "thousand-year Reich"?
But neither quote is in fact from Hitler. Both quotes were written by Friedrich Engels, Karl Marx's co-author (See here and here).
So let that be an introduction to the idea that Hitler not only called himself a socialist but that he WAS in fact a socialist by the standards of his day. Ideas that are now condemned as Rightist were in Hitler's day perfectly normal ideas among Leftists. And if Friedrich Engels was not a Leftist, I do not know who would be.
But the most spectacular aspect of Nazism was surely its antisemitism. And that had a grounding in Marx himself. The following passage is from Marx but it could just as well have been from Hitler:"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry".
Note that Marx wanted to "emancipate" (free) mankind from Jewry ("Judentum" in Marx's original German), just as Hitler did and that the title of Marx's essay in German was "Zur Judenfrage", which -- while not necessarily derogatory in itself -- is nonetheless exactly the same expression ("Jewish question") that Hitler used in his famous phrase "Endloesung der Judenfrage" ("Final solution of the Jewish question"). And when Marx speaks of the end of Jewry by saying that Jewish identity must necessarily "dissolve" itself, the word he uses in German is "aufloesen", which is a close relative of Hitler's word "Endloesung" ("final solution"). So all the most condemned features of Nazism can be traced back to Marx and Engels, right down to the language used. The thinking of Hitler, Marx and Engels differed mainly in emphasis rather than in content. All three were second-rate German intellectuals of their times. Anybody who doubts that practically all Hitler's ideas were also to be found in Marx & Engels should spend a little time reading the quotations from Marx & Engels archived here.
