Was Hitler right or left wing or neither?

[Two Thumbs]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

he was a socialist, national socialist to be exact, and therefore on the left.

that doesn't mean he's a democrat, even if he and democrats rounded up innocent men women and children and put them in camps.

His brand of national socialism was right wing. He hated the Weimar Republic and wanted to restore the glory of the Monarchy which was overthrown in 1918 and which the Weimar Republic replaced.

right wing socialism


that's fucking funny

 

[Picaro]

On the spectrum, Left is Government control and right is individual liberty.

Pretty easy after that

Both extremes end up the same place, with a handful at the top and owning everybody else.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

The left wants to change society, the right wants to keep it the same as it was.

That's rather simplistic and wrong.

Okay, I'm sure that, due to its simplicity, you can explain why it is wrong.

Well, because there are people on the right who want to change things to how they think they were. They have this nice fluffy view of life in the 1950s where they put all the nostalgia in, and ignore all the bad things.

They don't want to keep it as it is. They don't even want to keep/change it back to how it was.

There are people on the right who have ideas of keeping people down. Like racists. Yes, they want some things as they had been, segregation or slavery, but they don't want EVERYTHING to be as it was. They like their pick up trucks, but would also like slavery.

Also, on the left not everyone is for change all the time of everything. Many people on the left want change that is beneficial. They want to keep some things the same. It depends.

I, for example, am in favor of stricter borders. Others are, and maybe this is because they're blinded by partisanship, or other reasons.

You have so many levels of left and right that it's impossible to say "someone on the left thinks this". I'm sure I could find people on the left with whom I disagree about almost everything.

 

[K9Buck]

I understand that Hitler hated free-market capitalism and supported the concept of government managing the economy, healthcare, education and virtually everything else under the sun. Hitler certainly wasn't an advocate for limited government. So how did Hitler become "right wing"?

Was not FDR an admirer of another fascist, Benito Mussolini? But Mussolini was, somehow, also "right wing"?

Does being a nationalist render one a fascist? If so, then it would seem that Gandhi and Lincoln were fascists, right? Yea, I didn't think so either.

As far as I can tell, Hitler identifies far more with the modern left than the modern right.

Where am I going wrong?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

Oh goody, the........9,980,543,789,234,865,897 thread on this topic since Al gore invented the internet...




Can't wait to find out the arguments the suspense is killing me.



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[Wyatt earp]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

The left wants to change society, the right wants to keep it the same as it was.

That's rather simplistic and wrong.

Okay, I'm sure that, due to its simplicity, you can explain why it is wrong.

Well, because there are people on the right who want to change things to how they think they were. They have this nice fluffy view of life in the 1950s where they put all the nostalgia in, and ignore all the bad things.

They don't want to keep it as it is. They don't even want to keep/change it back to how it was.

There are people on the right who have ideas of keeping people down. Like racists. Yes, they want some things as they had been, segregation or slavery, but they don't want EVERYTHING to be as it was. They like their pick up trucks, but would also like slavery.

Also, on the left not everyone is for change all the time of everything. Many people on the left want change that is beneficial. They want to keep some things the same. It depends.

I, for example, am in favor of stricter borders. Others are, and maybe this is because they're blinded by partisanship, or other reasons.

You have so many levels of left and right that it's impossible to say "someone on the left thinks this". I'm sure I could find people on the left with whom I disagree about almost everything.

And the left does not want to take us back tol the 1950s? hell thats one thing they talk about is high taxes and they forget we didn't have the rules and regulations we have today, the world is not in ruins after WWII and we were the only industrial manufacturer on the block.

 

[2aguy]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

hitlere was a left wing socialist.

hitler...

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

The context of Nazism

"True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt's: "Give back Alsace and Lorraine". For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?"Have a look at the quote immediately above and say who wrote it. It is a typical Hitler rant, is it not? Give it to 100 people who know Hitler's speeches and 100 would identify it as something said by Adolf. The fierce German nationalism and territorial ambition is unmistakeable. And if there is any doubt, have a look at another quote from the same author:This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom.That settles it, doesn't it? Who does not know of Hitler's glorification of military sacrifice and his aim to establish a "thousand-year Reich"?

But neither quote is in fact from Hitler. Both quotes were written by Friedrich Engels, Karl Marx's co-author (See here and here).

So let that be an introduction to the idea that Hitler not only called himself a socialist but that he WAS in fact a socialist by the standards of his day. Ideas that are now condemned as Rightist were in Hitler's day perfectly normal ideas among Leftists. And if Friedrich Engels was not a Leftist, I do not know who would be.

But the most spectacular aspect of Nazism was surely its antisemitism. And that had a grounding in Marx himself. The following passage is from Marx but it could just as well have been from Hitler:"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry".


Note that Marx wanted to "emancipate" (free) mankind from Jewry ("Judentum" in Marx's original German), just as Hitler did and that the title of Marx's essay in German was "Zur Judenfrage", which -- while not necessarily derogatory in itself -- is nonetheless exactly the same expression ("Jewish question") that Hitler used in his famous phrase "Endloesung der Judenfrage" ("Final solution of the Jewish question"). And when Marx speaks of the end of Jewry by saying that Jewish identity must necessarily "dissolve" itself, the word he uses in German is "aufloesen", which is a close relative of Hitler's word "Endloesung" ("final solution"). So all the most condemned features of Nazism can be traced back to Marx and Engels, right down to the language used. The thinking of Hitler, Marx and Engels differed mainly in emphasis rather than in content. All three were second-rate German intellectuals of their times. Anybody who doubts that practically all Hitler's ideas were also to be found in Marx & Engels should spend a little time reading the quotations from Marx & Engels archived here.

 

[gtopa1]

On the spectrum, Left is Government control and right is individual liberty.

Pretty easy after that

Both extremes end up the same place, with a handful at the top and owning everybody else.

Concurs with my own view. Different means; same end.

Greg

 

[Weatherman2020]

Hitler was far Right, something the U.S.A doesn't have.

The U.S.A mainly has two Liberal, Left Wing parties, the Republicans, and the Democrats.

What charachteritics defined Hitler as right wing?

Authoritarian, Hierarchy, Traditional values, etc.

Right | ideology

Right
IDEOLOGY
WRITTEN BY:

• The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica

See Article History
Alternative Title: right wing
Right, portion of the political spectrum associated with conservative political thought. The term derives from the seating arrangement of the French revolutionary parliament (c.1790s) in which the conservative representatives sat to the presiding officer’s right. In the 19th century the term applied to conservatives who supported authority, tradition, and property. In the 20th century a divergent, radical form developed that was associated with fascism. See also left.

Right-wing politics - Wikipedia

Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]. 693, 721[5][6][7][8][9] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[14]

The political terms "Left" and "Right" were first used during the French Revolution (1789–1799) and referred to seating arrangements in the French parliament: those who sat to the right of the chair of the parliamentary president were broadly supportive of the institutions of the monarchist Old Regime.[15][16][17][18] The original Right in France was formed as a reaction against the "Left" and comprised those politicians supporting hierarchy, tradition and clericalism.[4]:693 The use of the expression la droite ("the right") became prominent in France after the restoration of the monarchy in 1815, when it was applied to the Ultra-royalists.[19] The people of English-speaking countries did not apply the terms "right" and "left" to their own politics until the 20th century.[20]

Authoritarian, Hierarchy, Traditional values, etc.

So youre accusing Germans of having traditional values of genocide, war aggressors, socialists, racism, and wanting to conquer the world.

 

[Tehon]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

he was a socialist, national socialist to be exact, and therefore on the left.

that doesn't mean he's a democrat, even if he and democrats rounded up innocent men women and children and put them in camps.

His brand of national socialism was right wing. He hated the Weimar Republic and wanted to restore the glory of the Monarchy which was overthrown in 1918 and which the Weimar Republic replaced.

right wing socialism


that's fucking funny

Yeah, I think it is funny myself. But it becomes necessary to use such language due to idiots who bastardize the meaning of socialism. In other words, I'm speaking on your level.

 

[Tehon]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

The left wants to change society, the right wants to keep it the same as it was.

That's rather simplistic and wrong.

Okay, I'm sure that, due to its simplicity, you can explain why it is wrong.

Well, because there are people on the right who want to change things to how they think they were. They have this nice fluffy view of life in the 1950s where they put all the nostalgia in, and ignore all the bad things.

They don't want to keep it as it is. They don't even want to keep/change it back to how it was.

There are people on the right who have ideas of keeping people down. Like racists. Yes, they want some things as they had been, segregation or slavery, but they don't want EVERYTHING to be as it was. They like their pick up trucks, but would also like slavery.

Also, on the left not everyone is for change all the time of everything. Many people on the left want change that is beneficial. They want to keep some things the same. It depends.

I, for example, am in favor of stricter borders. Others are, and maybe this is because they're blinded by partisanship, or other reasons.

You have so many levels of left and right that it's impossible to say "someone on the left thinks this". I'm sure I could find people on the left with whom I disagree about almost everything.

It is generalization. Get over it.

And the point you make about the right was implied by my use of the past tense.

the right wants to keep it the same as it was.

 

[Pete7469]

On the spectrum, Left is Government control and right is individual liberty.

Pretty easy after that

Both extremes end up the same place, with a handful at the top and owning everybody else.

Concurs with my own view. Different means; same end.

Greg

That's why you're confused. The horse shoe political perspective is asinine and deliberately designed to manipulate people from seeing right vs. wrong.

It's WRONG for the federal government to legislate morality. People who demand laws against faggot weddings and libturd mothers pregnant females getting abortions are still more left wing than I am because they demand government forces people to behave a certain way. Just like drug laws. Anarchy is hard right. NO Government or authority.

You can not possibly have a society that is remotely like a collective without either some serious authority, or mindless drones to work as hard as they can for standard rations and express or harbor no desire for an increased standard of life. The more "leftwing" or collectivist your government is, the more authoritarian it has to be, which has been proven by every leftist sociopath that has achieved power.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

Hitler was virulently anti-Christian and anti-Jewish. He campaigned as a socialist. His party included the term Socialist in its name. He believed the government had the right to impose any regulation on any business that it saw fit. He imposed gun control on any population segment that he believed posed a threat. He murdered thousands of priests and pastors. He took over or shut down private Christian schools. He believed the government had the right to impose wage and price controls, if it felt they were needed. He used income redistribution on a massive scale. He encouraged his followers to persecute those who disagreed with him, especially Jews and Christians.

Gee, which party in America does that sound like?

 

[Tehon]

I understand that Hitler hated free-market capitalism and supported the concept of government managing the economy, healthcare, education and virtually everything else under the sun. Hitler certainly wasn't an advocate for limited government. So how did Hitler become "right wing"?

Was not FDR an admirer of another fascist, Benito Mussolini? But Mussolini was, somehow, also "right wing"?

Does being a nationalist render one a fascist? If so, then it would seem that Gandhi and Lincoln were fascists, right? Yea, I didn't think so either.

As far as I can tell, Hitler identifies far more with the modern left than the modern right.

Where am I going wrong?

You're being revisionist. You're applying your personal modern day understanding, which is suspect to begin with, to the past.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I understand that Hitler hated free-market capitalism and supported the concept of government managing the economy, healthcare, education and virtually everything else under the sun. Hitler certainly wasn't an advocate for limited government. So how did Hitler become "right wing"?

Was not FDR an admirer of another fascist, Benito Mussolini? But Mussolini was, somehow, also "right wing"?

Does being a nationalist render one a fascist? If so, then it would seem that Gandhi and Lincoln were fascists, right? Yea, I didn't think so either.

As far as I can tell, Hitler identifies far more with the modern left than the modern right.

Where am I going wrong?

You're being revisionist. You're applying your personal modern day understanding to the past.

Wait. Are you playing "the parties switched sides" card for Nazis too?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

Depends on who you ask, I don't have to read through the thread to know that leftist will say he was right wing, and conservatives will say he was a leftist.

Truth is, he was a nationalist, and a authoritarian. But primarily he believed in his own supreme rule.
He was certainly a narcissist, and therefore his rule varied with his shifting opinions.
He was neither conservative or a leftist. He was both, and neither.

 

[Mac1958]

On the spectrum, Left is Government control and right is individual liberty.

Pretty easy after that

Both extremes end up the same place, with a handful at the top and owning everybody else.

Concurs with my own view. Different means; same end.

Greg

Precisely. Maybe we could just move away from both ends.
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[kaz]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

You don't like the exact same thread Votto started?

 

[Polishprince]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

Mr. Hitler was an Ultra Liberal- his platform of Gun Control and socialized medicine are straight from the liberal playbook. The late German fuhrer's antagonism toward the Judeo-Christian faith was historic.

Those who dissented from national socialism were silenced by Hitler just like those who dissent against the Deep State are silenced like what happened to Alex Jones.

 

[Pete7469]

Yeah, I think it is funny myself. But it becomes necessary to use such language due to idiots who bastardize the meaning of socialism. In other words, I'm speaking on your level.

LOL...

You?

"Think"?

That is the only funny party. Even saying something like "bastardize the meaning of socialism" proves you're a fucking retard. Socialism is a tern used to define different degrees of regressive collectivism though less severe than Trotsky would have it. There is no purity of the concept to "bastardize" anymore than you can make a fart smell better in an elevator by adding your own.

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