Was Hitler right or left wing or neither?

[K9Buck]

I understand that Hitler hated free-market capitalism and supported the concept of government managing the economy, healthcare, education and virtually everything else under the sun. Hitler certainly wasn't an advocate for limited government. So how did Hitler become "right wing"?

Was not FDR an admirer of another fascist, Benito Mussolini? But Mussolini was, somehow, also "right wing"?

Does being a nationalist render one a fascist? If so, then it would seem that Gandhi and Lincoln were fascists, right? Yea, I didn't think so either.

As far as I can tell, Hitler identifies far more with the modern left than the modern right.

Where am I going wrong?

You're being revisionist. You're applying your personal modern day understanding, which is suspect to begin with, to the past.

I don't believe so. There are all sorts of leftists that advocate for the same economic ideals and government management that Hitler embraced. Leftist ideology is the same today as it was a century ago. Is it not?

 

[K9Buck]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

You don't like the exact same thread Votto started?

Sorry. Didn't see it.

 

[DrLove]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

Hitler was a Fascist, defined as extreme right wing, nationalistic and authoritarian. But we've been through this infinity in past 3 days. Nobody is gonna change anyone's mind. Of course, that goes without saying on EVERY topic in these forums.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

Mr. Hitler was an Ultra Liberal- his platform of Gun Control and socialized medicine are straight from the liberal playbook. The late German fuhrer's antagonism toward the Judeo-Christian faith was historic.

Those who dissented from national socialism were silenced by Hitler just like those who dissent against the Deep State are silenced like what happened to Alex Jones.

Mods close the thread after that

 

[Claudette]

Oh good, another Hitler thread.

He was his own brand of evil, regardless of how his evil is trivialized for shallow political points.

Yup He was pure evil and I doubt left or right ever entered his mind.

It was all about power. Period.

 

[K9Buck]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

Hitler was a Fascist, defined as extreme right wing, nationalistic and authoritarian. But we've been through this infinity in past 3 days. Nobody is gonna change anyone's mind. Of course, that goes without saying on EVERY topic in these forums.

I think it could be argued that Joseph Stalin was nationalistic and authoritarian. Does that make him "right wing" too?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

He was right wing, borne out of left wing failure..to define historical right and left wing leaders one need only look at the results and determine if the subject destroyed those things outside his border [Hitler, Mussolini, Attila etc. are right wing by today's standards] which would make him right wing or if subject was self destructive and killed/destroyed his/her own [ which would make him/her left wing [Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Chavezetc. are all responsible for massive deaths and/or suffering in their own countries]...
...some may argue this but that is pretty much the historical definition of right vs. left...
...take a look at today's American political scene and you will see the same thing...
...which side will go to war at the drop of a hat?...and which side will blame America for anything and everything reflexively?
If you want provable definition that is it.

 

[kaz]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

Hitler was a Fascist, defined as extreme right wing, nationalistic and authoritarian. But we've been through this infinity in past 3 days. Nobody is gonna change anyone's mind. Of course, that goes without saying on EVERY topic in these forums.

I think it could be argued that Joseph Stalin was nationalistic and authoritarian. Does that make him "right wing" too?

The idea that authoritarian is right wing is crap anyway. Some right are authoritarian, but all leftists are authoritarian. Socialism is total control over the country. It's in itself authoritarian

 

[Polishprince]

r [Hitler, Mussolini, Attila etc. are right wing by today's standards]

Attila was a liberal, the 5th Century equivalent of MS13. A foreign thuggarino breaching the unprotected border of the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire was the place to be back then. Indoor plumbing, public works, modern highways for the time. Guys like Attila recognized that.

The Excellence in Broadcasting Network called the seat Rush sits in the "Attila the Hun Chair" just to pull the chain of liberals- not because Attila was a conservative.

 

[K9Buck]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

He was right wing, borne out of left wing failure..to define historical right and left wing leaders one need only look at the results and determine if the subject destroyed those things outside his border [Hitler, Mussolini, Attila etc. are right wing by today's standards] which would make him right wing or if subject was self destructive and killed/destroyed his/her own [ which would make him/her left wing [Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Chavezetc. are all responsible for massive deaths and/or suffering in their own countries]...
...some may argue this but that is pretty much the historical definition of right vs. left...
...take a look at today's American political scene and you will see the same thing...
...which side will go to war at the drop of a hat?...and which side will blame America for anything and everything reflexively?
If you want provable definition that is it.

When I think of right wing, I think of people who want to limit the size, scope and power of government and who also support capitalism. Did Hitler share those views?

 

[kaz]

Hitler, Mussolini, Attila etc. are right wing by today's standards]

Bull shit. Hitler was a complete socialist who centrally ran the economy in an absolute fashion. Pick up a history book

 

[Frankeneinstein]

When I think of right wing, I think of people who want to limit the size, scope and power of government and who also support capitalism. Did Hitler share those views?

I do not know, I am only familiar with what he was known for, taking care of his own

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Bull shit. Hitler was a complete socialist who centrally ran the economy in an absolute fashion. Pick up a history book

I'm actually a history major and you would not be able to lift all the history books I have picked up, and hitler was a socialist, he was also vehemently anti-communist.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

When I think of right wing, I think of people who want to limit the size, scope and power of government and who also support capitalism. Did Hitler share those views?

I do not know, I am only familiar with what he was known for, taking care of his own

lol.... yeah like executing people close to him.

 

[LittleNipper]

What I perceive is that Right is righteous, godly, honorable, compassionate, just, family oriented, loving, kind, helpful, hardworking, transparent, reticent

What I perceive of the Left is that it is self servicing, demanding, angry, indifferent, bureaucratic, corrupt, bitter, vengeful, selfish, know-it-alls --- believing education is far and above good character.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

lol.... yeah like executing people close to him.

like? not sure I remember their names...give me a ballpark figure on the number.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I suppose we might need to define what it means to be right or left wing? Would anyone like to take a crack at this?

The left wants to change society, the right wants to keep it the same as it was.

That's rather simplistic and wrong.

Okay, I'm sure that, due to its simplicity, you can explain why it is wrong.

Well, because there are people on the right who want to change things to how they think they were. They have this nice fluffy view of life in the 1950s where they put all the nostalgia in, and ignore all the bad things.

They don't want to keep it as it is. They don't even want to keep/change it back to how it was.

There are people on the right who have ideas of keeping people down. Like racists. Yes, they want some things as they had been, segregation or slavery, but they don't want EVERYTHING to be as it was. They like their pick up trucks, but would also like slavery.

Also, on the left not everyone is for change all the time of everything. Many people on the left want change that is beneficial. They want to keep some things the same. It depends.

I, for example, am in favor of stricter borders. Others are, and maybe this is because they're blinded by partisanship, or other reasons.

You have so many levels of left and right that it's impossible to say "someone on the left thinks this". I'm sure I could find people on the left with whom I disagree about almost everything.

It is generalization. Get over it.

And the point you make about the right was implied by my use of the past tense.

the right wants to keep it the same as it was.

Oh, you wanted to know what was wrong with what you said, then you get angry when I give an answer. It's not a generalization at all. It's just something that's not actually true.

How many people on the right want things to stay as they are? High crime among black people, for example?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

lol.... yeah like executing people close to him.

like? not sure I remember their names...give me a ballpark figure on the number.

Huh?
He executed 84 Generals. If I remember correctly, about 20 or so were connected with the attempted assassination plot, others for "mismanagement"... and failure to perform.

 

[Tehon]

I understand that Hitler hated free-market capitalism and supported the concept of government managing the economy, healthcare, education and virtually everything else under the sun. Hitler certainly wasn't an advocate for limited government. So how did Hitler become "right wing"?

Was not FDR an admirer of another fascist, Benito Mussolini? But Mussolini was, somehow, also "right wing"?

Does being a nationalist render one a fascist? If so, then it would seem that Gandhi and Lincoln were fascists, right? Yea, I didn't think so either.

As far as I can tell, Hitler identifies far more with the modern left than the modern right.

Where am I going wrong?

You're being revisionist. You're applying your personal modern day understanding, which is suspect to begin with, to the past.

I don't believe so. There are all sorts of leftists that advocate for the same economic ideals and government management that Hitler embraced. Leftist ideology is the same today as it was a century ago. Is it not?

The concept of right wing and left wing relates to social evolution. Hitler hated the way Germany was evolving, he blamed the left. His ideology was make Germany great again.

 

[Tehon]

The left wants to change society, the right wants to keep it the same as it was.

That's rather simplistic and wrong.

Okay, I'm sure that, due to its simplicity, you can explain why it is wrong.

Well, because there are people on the right who want to change things to how they think they were. They have this nice fluffy view of life in the 1950s where they put all the nostalgia in, and ignore all the bad things.

They don't want to keep it as it is. They don't even want to keep/change it back to how it was.

There are people on the right who have ideas of keeping people down. Like racists. Yes, they want some things as they had been, segregation or slavery, but they don't want EVERYTHING to be as it was. They like their pick up trucks, but would also like slavery.

Also, on the left not everyone is for change all the time of everything. Many people on the left want change that is beneficial. They want to keep some things the same. It depends.

I, for example, am in favor of stricter borders. Others are, and maybe this is because they're blinded by partisanship, or other reasons.

You have so many levels of left and right that it's impossible to say "someone on the left thinks this". I'm sure I could find people on the left with whom I disagree about almost everything.

It is generalization. Get over it.

And the point you make about the right was implied by my use of the past tense.

the right wants to keep it the same as it was.

Oh, you wanted to know what was wrong with what you said, then you get angry when I give an answer. It's not a generalization at all. It's just something that's not actually true.

How many people on the right want things to stay as they are? High crime among black people, for example?

I didn't say the right wanted to keep things as they are. I said they wanted it to be how it was.

We are saying the same thing.