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Melodramatic outrage about the President committing an entirely proper act. How idiotic. Like there is something improper about suggesting that an American government official possibly coercing an official of a foreign government for private gain be investigated.
Like there is something improper for Congress to investigating a President's attempt to coerce an official of a foreign government for his own personal gain?
Face it- the only 'corruption' that Donald Trump has asked any foreign government to investigate is 'corruption' that can include 'Biden' in the same sentence.
And yes- asking two foreign governments including the Commies in China- to dig up dirt on a political rival is not a proper act.
In what delusional world does suggesting an investigation equal "digging up dirt"? Maybe someone who speaks English could explain it to you.
Trump didn't care about an actual investigation - he demanded a public statement that Ukraine was investigating Burisma/Biden. Then he could say, 'my opponent is under investigation in Ukraine' to smear him. That's all. For that, he withheld aid (until the story broke about the holdup).
So? Even if true (which I doubt) what exactly do you claim is illegal about that? The President of the United States should check with you before dealing with other nations or overseeing foreign aid? What debt do you think the American taxpayer has to the Ukraine? Frankly I'm against ALL foreign aid delayed or not.
LOLOLAnd once again I ask specifically what law you think he broke.§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
Great. And there is exactly zero evidence of any such thing. Maybe you're thinking about Hillary Clinton.
Keep telling yourself that even as Trump gets impeached over it.
"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..." ~ Donald Trump
Lock him up!
"(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;..".
No reason to believe that any such thing was offered, requested, or that President Trump wants or needs any such thing. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see either of the Bidens locked up for their corruption as you suggest.
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the Bidens or the Trumps are convicted and locked up for any corruption that they may have committed.
But right now there is
a) No evidence that either Biden committed any crime and
b) Trump's own words suggesting that he did commit a crime in trying to get two foreign nations to investigate his political rival.
Melodramatic outrage about the President committing an entirely proper act. How idiotic. Like there is something improper about suggesting that an American government official possibly coercing an official of a foreign government for private gain be investigated.
Like there is something improper for Congress to investigating a President's attempt to coerce an official of a foreign government for his own personal gain?
Face it- the only 'corruption' that Donald Trump has asked any foreign government to investigate is 'corruption' that can include 'Biden' in the same sentence.
And yes- asking two foreign governments including the Commies in China- to dig up dirt on a political rival is not a proper act.
In what delusional world does suggesting an investigation equal "digging up dirt"? Maybe someone who speaks English could explain it to you.
Trump didn't care about an actual investigation - he demanded a public statement that Ukraine was investigating Burisma/Biden. Then he could say, 'my opponent is under investigation in Ukraine' to smear him. That's all. For that, he withheld aid (until the story broke about the holdup).
Doesn't change the fact that the President's actions were entirely legal and proper. And I really kinda doubt he confides his motives to you.
So? Even if true (which I doubt) what exactly do you claim is illegal about that? The President of the United States should check with you before dealing with other nations or overseeing foreign aid? What debt do you think the American taxpayer has to the Ukraine? Frankly I'm against ALL foreign aid delayed or not.
We have no debt to Ukraine. Congress and Trump authorized aid to Ukraine. Trump withheld it while attempting to extort a public statement about an investigation from the President of Ukraine.
As to your opposition to foreign aid, Trump paid it, after news leaked that he was blocking it. Take it up with him.
LOLOLHe is entitled to free speech. Violating the law to solicit a foreign national to help with his campaign against a political rival is not protected by free speech.No, it wouldn't. Exactly what law do you think that would violate? Last I heard the President was entitled to free speech same as other Americans. On what bases would you deny him that?
Actually I believe it is. In any case there is no evidence that that was the purpose of asking the situation be investigated.
You think free speech allows people to break the law? Take threatening a president's life, for example.... you think that's legal because it's protected by free speech??
And once again I ask specifically what law you think he broke.
Funny how you don't ask the President to say what law he thinks that Joe Biden broke.
What laws has Trump possibly/likely violated in this Ukrainian fiasco?
a)
Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government
The most obvious way in which Trump could have violated the law is by soliciting material campaign aid from a foreign government, which expressly violates the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.
b) Bribery- quid pro quo - military aid from the U.S. in exchange for a 'favor' personally benefiting Trump's political campaign.
c) Misappropriation of public funds
d) Conspiracy
e) Obstruction of Justice (for his actions trying to prevent the investigation)
f) Witness Intimidation
g) Violation of the Whistle Blower Act
LOLOLLOLOLLOLOL§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
Great. And there is exactly zero evidence of any such thing. Maybe you're thinking about Hillary Clinton.
Keep telling yourself that even as Trump gets impeached over it.
"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..." ~ Donald Trump
Lock him up!
"(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;..".
No reason to believe that any such thing was offered, requested, or that President Trump wants or needs any such thing. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see either of the Bidens locked up for their corruption as you suggest.
You poor thing. Abject denial is not going to get Trump out of hot water.
And your delusional imagination is not going to get him into hot water, Buttercup.
LOLOLHe is entitled to free speech. Violating the law to solicit a foreign national to help with his campaign against a political rival is not protected by free speech.
Actually I believe it is. In any case there is no evidence that that was the purpose of asking the situation be investigated.
You think free speech allows people to break the law? Take threatening a president's life, for example.... you think that's legal because it's protected by free speech??
And once again I ask specifically what law you think he broke.
Funny how you don't ask the President to say what law he thinks that Joe Biden broke.
What laws has Trump possibly/likely violated in this Ukrainian fiasco?
a)
Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government
The most obvious way in which Trump could have violated the law is by soliciting material campaign aid from a foreign government, which expressly violates the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.
b) Bribery- quid pro quo - military aid from the U.S. in exchange for a 'favor' personally benefiting Trump's political campaign.
c) Misappropriation of public funds
d) Conspiracy
e) Obstruction of Justice (for his actions trying to prevent the investigation)
f) Witness Intimidation
g) Violation of the Whistle Blower Act
Yeah? Bullspit!
If you allege a crime the burden of proof is on you.
Sorry, but you don't get to make up the law to suit yourself. The Federal Election Campaign as referenced by you makes no mention (expressly or otherwise) of any law against "soliciting material campaign aid" nor do you offer any reasonable evidence he did so in any case. The rest of your hilarious "points" are just an obvious case of throwing crap at the wall to see if any sticks. Also Biden is not, and probably never will be, a political rival. The President most likely considers him a campaign aid.
LOLOLHe is entitled to free speech. Violating the law to solicit a foreign national to help with his campaign against a political rival is not protected by free speech.
Actually I believe it is. In any case there is no evidence that that was the purpose of asking the situation be investigated.
You think free speech allows people to break the law? Take threatening a president's life, for example.... you think that's legal because it's protected by free speech??
And once again I ask specifically what law you think he broke.
Funny how you don't ask the President to say what law he thinks that Joe Biden broke.
What laws has Trump possibly/likely violated in this Ukrainian fiasco?
a)
Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government
The most obvious way in which Trump could have violated the law is by soliciting material campaign aid from a foreign government, which expressly violates the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.
b) Bribery- quid pro quo - military aid from the U.S. in exchange for a 'favor' personally benefiting Trump's political campaign.
c) Misappropriation of public funds
d) Conspiracy
e) Obstruction of Justice (for his actions trying to prevent the investigation)
f) Witness Intimidation
g) Violation of the Whistle Blower Act
Yeah? Bullspit!
If you allege a crime the burden of proof is on you.
Sorry, but you don't get to make up the law to suit yourself. The Federal Election Campaign as referenced by you makes no mention (expressly or otherwise) of any law against "soliciting material campaign aid" nor do you offer any reasonable evidence he did so in any case. The rest of your hilarious "points" are just an obvious case of throwing crap at the wall to see if any sticks. Also Biden is not, and probably never will be, a political rival. The President most likely considers him a campaign aid.
LOLOLHe is entitled to free speech. Violating the law to solicit a foreign national to help with his campaign against a political rival is not protected by free speech.
Actually I believe it is. In any case there is no evidence that that was the purpose of asking the situation be investigated.
You think free speech allows people to break the law? Take threatening a president's life, for example.... you think that's legal because it's protected by free speech??
And once again I ask specifically what law you think he broke.
Funny how you don't ask the President to say what law he thinks that Joe Biden broke.
What laws has Trump possibly/likely violated in this Ukrainian fiasco?
a)
Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government
The most obvious way in which Trump could have violated the law is by soliciting material campaign aid from a foreign government, which expressly violates the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.
b) Bribery- quid pro quo - military aid from the U.S. in exchange for a 'favor' personally benefiting Trump's political campaign.
c) Misappropriation of public funds
d) Conspiracy
e) Obstruction of Justice (for his actions trying to prevent the investigation)
f) Witness Intimidation
g) Violation of the Whistle Blower Act
. Also Biden is not, and probably never will be, a political rival. The President most likely considers him a campaign aid.
LOLOL§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
Great. And there is exactly zero evidence of any such thing. Maybe you're thinking about Hillary Clinton.
Keep telling yourself that even as Trump gets impeached over it.
"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..." ~ Donald Trump
Lock him up!
"(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;..".
No reason to believe that any such thing was offered, requested, or that President Trump wants or needs any such thing. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see either of the Bidens locked up for their corruption as you suggest.
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the Bidens or the Trumps are convicted and locked up for any corruption that they may have committed.
But right now there is
a) No evidence that either Biden committed any crime and
b) Trump's own words suggesting that he did commit a crime in trying to get two foreign nations to investigate his political rival.
Again, exactly what illegal action are you claiming?
LOLOLActually I believe it is. In any case there is no evidence that that was the purpose of asking the situation be investigated.
You think free speech allows people to break the law? Take threatening a president's life, for example.... you think that's legal because it's protected by free speech??
And once again I ask specifically what law you think he broke.
Funny how you don't ask the President to say what law he thinks that Joe Biden broke.
What laws has Trump possibly/likely violated in this Ukrainian fiasco?
a)
Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government
The most obvious way in which Trump could have violated the law is by soliciting material campaign aid from a foreign government, which expressly violates the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.
b) Bribery- quid pro quo - military aid from the U.S. in exchange for a 'favor' personally benefiting Trump's political campaign.
c) Misappropriation of public funds
d) Conspiracy
e) Obstruction of Justice (for his actions trying to prevent the investigation)
f) Witness Intimidation
g) Violation of the Whistle Blower Act
Yeah? Bullspit!
If you allege a crime the burden of proof is on you.
Sorry, but you don't get to make up the law to suit yourself. The Federal Election Campaign as referenced by you makes no mention (expressly or otherwise) of any law against "soliciting material campaign aid" nor do you offer any reasonable evidence he did so in any case. The rest of your hilarious "points" are just an obvious case of throwing crap at the wall to see if any sticks. Also Biden is not, and probably never will be, a political rival. The President most likely considers him a campaign aid.
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92–225, title III, §319, formerly §324, as added Pub. L. 94–283, title I, §112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493 ; renumbered §319, Pub. L. 96–187, title I, §105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354 ; amended Pub. L. 107–155, title III, §§303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96 , 109.)
[USC02] 52 USC 30121: Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
LOLOL
You think free speech allows people to break the law? Take threatening a president's life, for example.... you think that's legal because it's protected by free speech??
And once again I ask specifically what law you think he broke.
Funny how you don't ask the President to say what law he thinks that Joe Biden broke.
What laws has Trump possibly/likely violated in this Ukrainian fiasco?
a)
Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government
The most obvious way in which Trump could have violated the law is by soliciting material campaign aid from a foreign government, which expressly violates the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.
b) Bribery- quid pro quo - military aid from the U.S. in exchange for a 'favor' personally benefiting Trump's political campaign.
c) Misappropriation of public funds
d) Conspiracy
e) Obstruction of Justice (for his actions trying to prevent the investigation)
f) Witness Intimidation
g) Violation of the Whistle Blower Act
Yeah? Bullspit!
If you allege a crime the burden of proof is on you.
Sorry, but you don't get to make up the law to suit yourself. The Federal Election Campaign as referenced by you makes no mention (expressly or otherwise) of any law against "soliciting material campaign aid" nor do you offer any reasonable evidence he did so in any case. The rest of your hilarious "points" are just an obvious case of throwing crap at the wall to see if any sticks. Also Biden is not, and probably never will be, a political rival. The President most likely considers him a campaign aid.
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92–225, title III, §319, formerly §324, as added Pub. L. 94–283, title I, §112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493 ; renumbered §319, Pub. L. 96–187, title I, §105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354 ; amended Pub. L. 107–155, title III, §§303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96 , 109.)
[USC02] 52 USC 30121: Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
And once again I ask specifically what law you think he broke.
Funny how you don't ask the President to say what law he thinks that Joe Biden broke.
What laws has Trump possibly/likely violated in this Ukrainian fiasco?
a)
Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government
The most obvious way in which Trump could have violated the law is by soliciting material campaign aid from a foreign government, which expressly violates the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.
b) Bribery- quid pro quo - military aid from the U.S. in exchange for a 'favor' personally benefiting Trump's political campaign.
c) Misappropriation of public funds
d) Conspiracy
e) Obstruction of Justice (for his actions trying to prevent the investigation)
f) Witness Intimidation
g) Violation of the Whistle Blower Act
Yeah? Bullspit!
If you allege a crime the burden of proof is on you.
Sorry, but you don't get to make up the law to suit yourself. The Federal Election Campaign as referenced by you makes no mention (expressly or otherwise) of any law against "soliciting material campaign aid" nor do you offer any reasonable evidence he did so in any case. The rest of your hilarious "points" are just an obvious case of throwing crap at the wall to see if any sticks. Also Biden is not, and probably never will be, a political rival. The President most likely considers him a campaign aid.
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92–225, title III, §319, formerly §324, as added Pub. L. 94–283, title I, §112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493 ; renumbered §319, Pub. L. 96–187, title I, §105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354 ; amended Pub. L. 107–155, title III, §§303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96 , 109.)
[USC02] 52 USC 30121: Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
A public statement from a foreign government that it is investigating one's political opponent is a thing of value. Why else would Trump be asking for a public statement?
The 'ask' establishes value.
Funny how you don't ask the President to say what law he thinks that Joe Biden broke.
What laws has Trump possibly/likely violated in this Ukrainian fiasco?
a)
Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government
The most obvious way in which Trump could have violated the law is by soliciting material campaign aid from a foreign government, which expressly violates the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.
b) Bribery- quid pro quo - military aid from the U.S. in exchange for a 'favor' personally benefiting Trump's political campaign.
c) Misappropriation of public funds
d) Conspiracy
e) Obstruction of Justice (for his actions trying to prevent the investigation)
f) Witness Intimidation
g) Violation of the Whistle Blower Act
Yeah? Bullspit!
If you allege a crime the burden of proof is on you.
Sorry, but you don't get to make up the law to suit yourself. The Federal Election Campaign as referenced by you makes no mention (expressly or otherwise) of any law against "soliciting material campaign aid" nor do you offer any reasonable evidence he did so in any case. The rest of your hilarious "points" are just an obvious case of throwing crap at the wall to see if any sticks. Also Biden is not, and probably never will be, a political rival. The President most likely considers him a campaign aid.
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92–225, title III, §319, formerly §324, as added Pub. L. 94–283, title I, §112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493 ; renumbered §319, Pub. L. 96–187, title I, §105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354 ; amended Pub. L. 107–155, title III, §§303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96 , 109.)
[USC02] 52 USC 30121: Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
A public statement from a foreign government that it is investigating one's political opponent is a thing of value. Why else would Trump be asking for a public statement?
The 'ask' establishes value.
Untrue.
Ummm our fucking tax money mandates him toTrump claimed that he was obligated by the Constitution to talk to Ukraine about the Biden's and their supposed corruption.
"If you look and you read our Constitution and many other things, I have an obligation to look at corruption."
Is that true?
Where in the Constitution does it say that the President of the United States must 'look at corruption' in a foreign country?
The President asked for an investigation and if he asked that it be made public there is no proof of his motivation or that it would be a "thing of value". Unprovable conjecture.
"If you allege a crime the burden of proof is on you."
What crime is being alleged? By whom? And in what court (no court; no burden of proof)?
"Trump has been campaigning against Joe Biden since Biden announced his candidacy."
In fact he is campaigning to become the Dem. candidate for President; not the office itself. Biden has not announced he will be an Independent or write in candidate nor has he qualified to be on the ballet.
"The crimes that Trump's own words suggest he committed include:"
Still untrue.
