We get to pay for student loans. Great.

[WEATHER53]

Far from it. Just pointing out the obvious that more unfairness is being generated by making people who were responsible not to take on egregious debt for overvalued college education.

If there is any good that can come out of this is that more financial criteria and controls can be put into place so that people don’t bury themselves in college loans that can’t be paid off.

When you seek the money, use the money, and finish with the money then you owe the money and no teary eyed claptrap will change that moral and legal responsibility

 

[M14 Shooter]

It's better for the obvious reasons I already explained

Your reasons are not obvious, and you have not explained them.
You have claimed your system eliminates blight and homelessness and a dozen other things, but you have not demonstrated that forcing the able bodies to work is better than allowing them to make their choices and suffer the consequences.

In our society, no one will force you to work....

You, yourself, said those who choose not to work might go to prison - thus, in your society, you force people to work at gunpoint.
Demonstrate this is better than allowing them to make their choices and suffer the consequences.

 

[Red Front]

Your reasons are not obvious, and you have not explained them.
You have claimed your system eliminates blight and homelessness and a dozen other things, but you have not demonstrated that forcing the able bodies to work is better than allowing them to make their choices and suffer the consequences.

You, yourself, said those who choose not to work might go to prison - thus, in your society, you force people to work at gunpoint.
Demonstrate this is better than allowing them to make their choices and suffer the consequences.

The consequences of being a bum in America are also jail, a criminal record, sleeping outside and destroying public and private property, then getting arrested. etc. In socialism, we don't allow anyone to be a homeless bum, or unemployed, everyone has housing and a job.

 

[Red Front]

When you seek the money, use the money, and finish with the money then you owe the money and no teary eyed claptrap will change that moral and legal responsibility

They shouldn't have to get a loan to get an education. Society should provide that, tuition-free, without charging anyone money. In a capitalist-run society, with markets and money, it can still provide people with a tuition-free education and should.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The consequences of being a bum in America are also jail, a criminal record, sleeping outside and destroying public and private property, then getting arrested. etc. In socialism, we don't allow anyone to be a homeless bum, or unemployed, everyone has housing and a job.

You continue to avoid the issue put to you.

The consequences of being a bum in America....

We're not talking about being a bum - we're talking about the consequences of chosing to not work - that is, death.
In your society, you would force such people to work at gunpoint.
Demonstrate this is better than allowing them to make their choices and suffer the consequences.

In socialism...., everyone has housing and a job.

Yes.. because you force them to have them, at gunpoint.
Demonstrate this is better than allowing them to make their choices and suffer the consequences.

 

[WEATHER53]

They shouldn't have to get a loan to get an education. Society should provide that, tuition-free, without charging anyone money. In a capitalist-run society, with markets and money, it can still provide people with a tuition-free education and should.

Higher education is an elective. You avail yourself of it and whatever comes from it; it’s your responsibility to pay for it
The liberal suspension of reality does not believe in responsibility. They believes in options of accepting or declining responsibility for service or goods provided and that is bullshit

 

[dblack]

Higher education is an elective. You avail yourself of it and whatever comes from it; it’s your responsibility to pay for it
The liberal suspension of reality does not believe in responsibility. They believes in options of accepting or declining responsibility for service or goods provided and that is bullshit

Under communism responsibility is replaced with obedience.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Higher education is an elective. You avail yourself of it and whatever comes from it; it’s your responsibility to pay for it

Under socialism, the productive are forced by the state to provide goods and services to the unproductive, without compensation.
Somehow, this is better than allowing people to suffer the consequences of their poor choices.

 

[bodecea]

I did, but I paid it back.

It's an old concept - don't be a fucking deadbeat - you wouldn't understand.

No doubt you believe that only chumps pay their debts.

And I paid mine back....but I'm not an old sour grapes type who begrudges others getting some help.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The consequences of being a bum in America are also jail, a criminal record, sleeping outside and destroying public and private property, then getting arrested. etc. In socialism, we don't allow anyone to be a homeless bum, or unemployed, everyone has housing and a job.

Are you trying to say Socialist countries don't have homeless? LoL really?

My gawd you're one ill informed shill

 

[Thinker101]

And I paid mine back....but I'm not an old sour grapes type who begrudges others getting some help.

Help? People with a six-figure income need help?

 

[Ralph Norton]

When Trump didn’t pay back all of his loans, you guys described him as a genius.

But....but....but......Trump!!!
And for the record, I have never described him as a "genius".

 

[Marener]

But....but....but......Trump!!!
And for the record, I have never described him as a "genius".

Just pointing out the double standard.

If you’re a normal person who gets loan forgiveness, the right looks upon you with scorn.

But if you’re one of the elite, it’s totally different.

 

[maybelooking]

Yes.. because you force them to have them, at gunpoint.
Demonstrate this is better than allowing them to make their choices and suffer the consequences.

game, set, match

 

[MarcATL]

It’s not fair to the people working who did not go to college. It’s not fair to the college graduates who were responsible in the loan amounts they took and paid it off. Big Education could do more to make college more affordable; cut unnecessary costs, pass the savings onto students.

I disagree.

Do you, and your ilk, ever have this vitriol towards all these Big Corporations who get all these tax benefits, oftentimes never paying taxes?

I haven't seen it. Yet, your panties are all tied up in tight wads over a few shekels.

It betrays your severely lacking morality.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I disagree.

Compelling.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I disagree.

You don't say

 

[LeftofLeft]

I disagree.

Do you, and your ilk, ever have this vitriol towards all these Big Corporations who get all these tax benefits, oftentimes never paying taxes?

I haven't seen it. Yet, your panties are all tied up in tight wads over a few shekels.

It betrays your severely lacking morality.

You think it is moral for a student and their families to rack up $200k in student loans to get a degree for which their is no job market and expect the US taxpayer to pick up the tab? Compare that to a student and their family who act more responsible by taking a more manageable amount - say $50k- and pick a concentration of study for which they can get a job in demand, good salary, and pay it off?

Would you like myself coming to you and saying I am $200k in debt for college loans for a degree I can’t get a job and now it’s time for you to pay your fair share?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Do you, and your ilk, ever have this vitriol towards all these Big Corporations who get all these tax benefits, oftentimes never paying taxes?
I haven't seen it. Yet, your panties are all tied up in tight wads over a few shekels.
It betrays your severely lacking morality.

This looks and smells and feels and tastes and sounds like a big pile of whattaboutism

 

[justaschmuck9]

This student loan forgiveness thing is like so many other things in life

When a person does all the right things, dots his i's and crosses his Ts...

he gets, as one person put it" screwed"

The elite Ds in DC do everything wrong, perversely, immorally, unlawfully and etc... but they get massive bucks and a great life style and get away with all their crimes and sins.. (at least in this world anyhow)

Evne devout Christians like myself are asking

Where is God?

no kidding.. you just wonder where the heck He is..

I'm not blaming God for human evil.. it's not His fault and He gave us free will so we have to ... um... let Him do that.. (give "human" pigs free will).. But still.. I don't know.. every now and then I see something happen tht looks like God intervening.. but most of the time...................