WH responds to Cheney

[CMike]

And that DOD memo has been discredited many, many times when it comes to AQ and SH in fostering and promoting terrorism. Geez, you sound like Cheney. Now go run and play, mike, and stop disturbing the adults.

Are you also aware that the CIA said that Al Qaida and Hussein had ties that went back a decade.

Saddam's al Qaeda Connection

" The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. More disturbing, according to an administration official familiar with briefings the CIA has given President Bush, the Agency has "irrefutable evidence" that the Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in 1998, around the time his Islamic Jihad was merging with al Qaeda. "It's a lock," says this source. Other administration officials are a bit more circumspect, noting that the intelligence may have come from a single source. Still, four sources spread across the national security hierarchy have confirmed the payment.
...TOP U.S. OFFICIALS linked Iraq and al Qaeda in newspaper op-eds, on talk shows, and in speeches. But the most detailed of their allegations came in an October 7, 2002, letter from CIA director George Tenet to Senate Intelligence chairman Bob Graham and in Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 5, 2003, presentation to the United Nations Security Council.

The Tenet letter declassified CIA reporting on weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's links to al Qaeda. Two sentences on WMD garnered most media attention, but the intelligence chief's comments on al Qaeda deserved notice. "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qa'ida going back a decade," Tenet wrote. "Credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression. Since Operation Enduring Freedom [in Afghanistan], we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad. We have credible reporting that al Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs." In sum, the letter said, "Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with
growing indications of a relationship with al Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent US military actions."

 

[JakeStarkey]

In other words, you have 'reports' but not sources since September 2003 when the Bush administration was trying to spin it every which way? OK, got it. Sheesh.

 

[SFC Ollie]

And that DOD memo has been discredited many, many times when it comes to AQ and SH in fostering and promoting terrorism. Geez, you sound like Cheney. Now go run and play, mike, and stop disturbing the adults.

Are you also aware that the CIA said that Al Qaida and Hussein had ties that went back a decade.

Saddam's al Qaeda Connection

" The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. More disturbing, according to an administration official familiar with briefings the CIA has given President Bush, the Agency has "irrefutable evidence" that the Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in 1998, around the time his Islamic Jihad was merging with al Qaeda. "It's a lock," says this source. Other administration officials are a bit more circumspect, noting that the intelligence may have come from a single source. Still, four sources spread across the national security hierarchy have confirmed the payment.
...TOP U.S. OFFICIALS linked Iraq and al Qaeda in newspaper op-eds, on talk shows, and in speeches. But the most detailed of their allegations came in an October 7, 2002, letter from CIA director George Tenet to Senate Intelligence chairman Bob Graham and in Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 5, 2003, presentation to the United Nations Security Council.

The Tenet letter declassified CIA reporting on weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's links to al Qaeda. Two sentences on WMD garnered most media attention, but the intelligence chief's comments on al Qaeda deserved notice. "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qa'ida going back a decade," Tenet wrote. "Credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression. Since Operation Enduring Freedom [in Afghanistan], we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad. We have credible reporting that al Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs." In sum, the letter said, "Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with
growing indications of a relationship with al Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent US military actions."

That actually makes sense, since UBL was pissed at the US because we ran Saddam out of Kuwait and he wanted to do it. He was disowned by Saudi and his family about the same time also.

 

[Meister]

And that DOD memo has been discredited many, many times when it comes to AQ and SH in fostering and promoting terrorism. Geez, you sound like Cheney. Now go run and play, mike, and stop disturbing the adults.

Has anyone noticed how jackie, and ignorance have identical DNA?

 

[namvet]

And that DOD memo has been discredited many, many times when it comes to AQ and SH in fostering and promoting terrorism. Geez, you sound like Cheney. Now go run and play, mike, and stop disturbing the adults.

Has anyone noticed how jackie, and ignorance have identical DNA?

bingo. a total fuckin waste. a legend in his own feeble lil' mind. you get the rep.

 

[CMike]

In other words, you have 'reports' but not sources since September 2003 when the Bush administration was trying to spin it every which way? OK, got it. Sheesh.

 

[CMike]

Yeah, why would DOD, and CIA declassified memos, have anything to do with anything.

Left wing blogs are a much more credible source.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yeah, why would DOD, and CIA declassified memos, have anything to do with anything.

Left wing blogs are a much more credible source.

You have been quoting from rags, bub, that are more than six years old supporting their masters' wishes. So try again, please.

 

[ihopehefails]

I have to agree that we are not at war with a tactic but at war with a organization but its not that hard to assume that the war on terrorism does not mean changing the tactics of our enemy because if that was the case we could declare victory when they get a formal army but that has never been the case. The Bush administration's slogan of "war on terrorism" always meant a war on specific organization(s) that meant to do harm to us so the war on terror is identical to the war on Al-queda.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And then we privatize the war, which guarantees it will cost far, far more than if we kept it in house.

Corporations fight for profit, militaries fight for victory. Somebody forgot to tell that to "generals" Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld.

 

[Barb]

Bush took 6 days to respond to the shoe bomber, buttwads and they put him in a prison in the US.

Bush and the Dickless Cheney took their 8 years to fuck up the entire war on terrorists and now the little shit head is trying to take the light off his screw ups by attacking Obama.

He lied outright when he said Obama doesn't think we are at war. Obama has stated we are and I guess the extra 30,000 troops to Afghanistan aren't real.

You bitch about Carter trying to help people, but when litttle dickless attackcs the current president, that's just fine.

Total hypocrits.

Ossama determined to attack in the US. Nope, no warning there.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez5XMByYtGo[/ame]

 

[CMike]

Yeah, why would DOD, and CIA declassified memos, have anything to do with anything.

Left wing blogs are a much more credible source.

You have been quoting from rags, bub, that are more than six years old supporting their masters' wishes. So try again, please.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal really doesn't help your case.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are projecting exactly that, cmike. Now give us relevant evidence, please. You have not done that yet.

 

[CMike]

I believe you think relevant information is information that backs up your false premises, which is impossible to do in any sort of credible way.

I documented my arguements. You have not documented yours.

 

[Rinata]

It was Bush that stopped preparing for the next attack and went after them, Proactive vs reactive. And this is what Bush will be remembered for.

And nearly the entire country including me backed him in Afganistan.

I put on hold my anger that he STOLE the election and backed him for my countrys sake.

He then turned and walked away from the REAL war and LIED to the American people so he could go into Iraq for a profit.

He will be remembered for LYING us into war and abandoning the real fight.

The funny thing is that the democraps at that time didn't even want to go into Afghanistan.

And now it has become the "real fight".

Everybody knows that is not true. Why are you just making things up??? The entire country was supportive.

 

[Rinata]

I got a question.

Since you said that Cheney should go to prison because of this so called lie about WMD, should Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Pelosi, and the rest of the democrat leadership go to prison as well because they said the same thing?

Cheney should go to prison for ordering torture

Cheney was right on target. The three master terrorists were uncooperative. When asked about further terrorist attacks, they answered "soon, you will know." They were made uncomfortable and terrorist attacks were thwarted that saved thousands of american civilian lives.

CNSNews.com - CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles



CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief



Khalid Sheik Mohammad, a top al Qaeda leader who divulged information -- after being waterboarded -- that allowed the U.S. government to stop a planned terrorist attack on Los Angeles. (CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”

According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.

After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘[o]ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”

The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.

“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’ Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”
After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles

CNS???? I live in L.A. and I never heard this story. Don't you tea baggers ever quote any reals news sources??? What about the L.A. Times or ABC or CNN??? Nope. It always has to be Fox or some other whacked out conservative news source.

 

[kyzr]

CNS???? I live in L.A. and I never heard this story. Don't you tea baggers ever quote any reals news sources??? What about the L.A. Times or ABC or CNN??? Nope. It always has to be Fox or some other whacked out conservative news source.

The better question is "why do the other "news" outlets buy into the Obama propaganda, like renaming the WOT, and terrorists"? What will they do when the dems lose in 2010 and 2012? At the rate they are losing ratings they may not even be around that long. So why criticize the most popular news outlet? During the Gulf War, guess which station was preferred by the troops? Liberalism isn't taking, but keep drinking that cool-aid.

 

[ElmerMudd]

the obama WH are fools....terrorism is now just a "tactic"....

obama is completely out of touch....

Terrorism is a strategy utilized by many organizations, counties and individuals.

Obama administration is right on to focus on the group we are after not the strategy.

Fool!

 

[ElmerMudd]

Cheney is not stupid. He was totally misdirected in how he approached the middle east after 9/11. But he is not so stupid to not relize he did screw up big time and history will judge him very negatively.

He desperately trying to reshape how history will view him and his policies. It will not work . His butt is cooked. He will go down as the most powerful VP but the policies he pushed through with his power were very harmful to the US and the stability of the world.

He is Dr. Evil. (Not Dr. Stupid. George W. Bush was Dr. Stupid. They were quite a pair)

 

[Rinata]

CNS???? I live in L.A. and I never heard this story. Don't you tea baggers ever quote any reals news sources??? What about the L.A. Times or ABC or CNN??? Nope. It always has to be Fox or some other whacked out conservative news source.

The better question is "why do the other "news" outlets buy into the Obama propaganda, like renaming the WOT, and terrorists"? What will they do when the dems lose in 2010 and 2012? At the rate they are losing ratings they may not even be around that long. So why criticize the most popular news outlet? During the Gulf War, guess which station was preferred by the troops? Liberalism isn't taking, but keep drinking that cool-aid.

Well, thanks for your response.