"What did we do to make them so angry at US?"

[Carla_Danger]

you guys don't understand why muslim extremists hate america? We kill their people every day and have been doing so for years. We support israel, a country that kills muslims nearly everyday and oppresses them every day and has done so for decades.

Give a good reason why they should not hate america.

you don't understand why muslim extremists go after americans. They kill our people every day and have been doing so for many years. We pledged our support for israel after wwii due to the 6,000,000 a muslim imam named haj amin al-husseini, mufti of jerusalem, bartered with hitler, oil for killing all the jews in europe, and when that was done, for killing all the jews in the middle east, no surviors.

There's a lot more to that story here: the mufti and hitler

what they did was a craven crime against humanity to the tune of 6,000,000, which only ended with hitler's cowardly suicide following his complete military defeat. Millions more would have died had we not sent men to atlantic and pacific fronts following december 7, 1941, when our naval base and most of our fleet at pearl harbor was decimated by axis planes from japan. On december 11, axis counterparts germany and italy declared war on the usa over food and equipment sales to their enemies who comprised the allied nations.

don't confuse liberals with history, it makes their little heads explode.

rofl!

 

[Truthseeker420]

The difference being that fundamentalist Christians aren't blowing up buildings, airplanes, buses, grocery stores while doing things like loading ambulances with explosives and strapping bombs to their children. Fundamentalist Muslims are doing that across the globe.

Why would they? when is the last time we attacked a white Christian nation?

When was the last time a white Christian nation attacked us?

Again why would they? When did Iraq attack us?

 

[georgephillip]

It is nothing that we did. It is what we are.

We are addicted to killing other people's children for money and market share.
As long as we have the world's reserve currency we can afford to borrow enough money to kill other people's children in places like Iraq and Pakistan or in Africa. Whose children do we kill when we run out of other people's money? Mexican (American) children?

 

[Redfish]

Yesterday was the 18th anniversary of the OKC bombing, done by an ex military, right wing extremist. Should we profile all right wing military men? Just curious, you idiot.

only if they exhibit mental illness symptoms. Then they should be put in mental institutions for their own and everyone else's protection. McVeigh was mentally ill.

Hassan was on a jihad.

Do you comprehend the difference?

No he was not. If he were mentally ill, they would not have tried and executed him. He was not mentally ill. Now, I'm guessing you have a link, or you just pulled that right out of your ass.

anyone that would blow up hundreds of innocent kids is mentally ill.

 

[Redfish]

Why would they? when is the last time we attacked a white Christian nation?

When was the last time a white Christian nation attacked us?

Again why would they? When did Iraq attack us?

when did I support the Iraq invasion?

 

[Redfish]

you don't understand why muslim extremists go after americans. They kill our people every day and have been doing so for many years. We pledged our support for israel after wwii due to the 6,000,000 a muslim imam named haj amin al-husseini, mufti of jerusalem, bartered with hitler, oil for killing all the jews in europe, and when that was done, for killing all the jews in the middle east, no surviors.

There's a lot more to that story here: the mufti and hitler

what they did was a craven crime against humanity to the tune of 6,000,000, which only ended with hitler's cowardly suicide following his complete military defeat. Millions more would have died had we not sent men to atlantic and pacific fronts following december 7, 1941, when our naval base and most of our fleet at pearl harbor was decimated by axis planes from japan. On december 11, axis counterparts germany and italy declared war on the usa over food and equipment sales to their enemies who comprised the allied nations.

don't confuse liberals with history, it makes their little heads explode.

rofl!

is that the sound of a liberal head exploding? or is it a defective liberal gene self destructing?

 

[georgephillip]

We weren't in the middle east bombing anyone on September 10, 2001.

Sure we were:

"The Iraqi no-fly zones were a set of two separate no-fly zones (NFZs), and were proclaimed by the United States, United Kingdom, and France after the Gulf War of 1991 to protect the Kurds in northern Iraq and Shiite Muslims in the south.

"Iraqi aircraft were forbidden from flying inside the zones.

"The policy was enforced by U.S., UK, and French aircraft patrols until France withdrew in 1998. While the enforcing powers had cited United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 as authorizing the operations, the resolution contains no explicit authorization.

"The Secretary-General of the UN at the time the resolution was passed, Boutros Boutros-Ghali called the no-fly zones 'illegal' in a later interview with John Pilger."

And our "allies" in Israel have been bombing Arabs with US bombs since '73, at least.

Iraqi no-fly zones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mr. Shaman]

We refuse to accept Allah. We are an evil people full of immorality and iniquity.

Nahhhhhhhhhh....you're (just) a little goofy....for believing in talking-snakes.

 

[Carla_Danger]

only if they exhibit mental illness symptoms. Then they should be put in mental institutions for their own and everyone else's protection. McVeigh was mentally ill.

Hassan was on a jihad.

Do you comprehend the difference?

No he was not. If he were mentally ill, they would not have tried and executed him. He was not mentally ill. Now, I'm guessing you have a link, or you just pulled that right out of your ass.

anyone that would blow up hundreds of innocent kids is mentally ill.

Soooooo, ex military, right wingers are insane, but Muslim terrorist are evil. Gotcha.

Sometimes people who feel they have "right" on their side, can do some pretty horrific things. Timothy was not insane.

 

[turzovka]

They hate us and want us dead.
Who?... Muslims.A lot of them.

Why....

Who the fuck knows at this point.

Drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent women and children, occupying their countries and killing more innocents while engaging "insurgents" will never win us any friends. If another country were to occupy the US they'd have a huge "insurgent" problem as well.

This bs about them hating us because of our freedoms is just that......bs

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The fact these fellow posters of yours found your post to be rewarding only adds to my own concerns. Your explanation for why they hate us is an old leftist, secular party line if there ever was one just to appease their guilty consciences.

So according to your explanation, this endless, immeasurable, unbearable scourge of violent Islam upon all its neighbors and the USA really only stays highly active because of our drones and because we invaded Iraq? Is that it?

Otherwise if we had not done such, what? Otherwise it would not be unreasonable to expect Islam and Arab nations would embrace our nation and our ways? Palestine and its handlers would beg Israel to sign a peace treaty? Extremist Islamic cutthroats in Northern Sudan would not have killed million Souther Sudanese Christians and animists? The three 11 year old Indonesian Christian girls would have not had their heads cut off walking to school? Fanatical Pakistanis would not have blown up Christian churches and those inside time and again? Saudi crazies would not have flown their planes into our buildings? Islamics across the planet would have not gone into a murderous frenzy because they heard about a cartoon in Denmark?

Why don’t you just admit you are ignoring the subject at best, engaged in serious obfuscation at worst?

 

[georgephillip]

Oh, one more thing

They are killing each other.....

Get it

They hate everyone ( I know this is a hard concept to understand) who ain't THEM

By "they" do you mean Iraqis?
"They" have never killed each other on this scale since their country was formed.
The destruction of their country by an illegal US invasion is why they are killing each other today.
It's a logical consequence of murdering, maiming, and displacing millions of innocent Iraqis.
What part of that don't you get?

They meaning exactly who you wrote about, Iraqis.

What do you mean they had never killed each other in those numbers before?

Ask the Kurds....

Your logic fails. Explain Germany. Explain Japan. Explain Italy after WWII.

They understood they were defeated, their government let them down. And most of them understood THEIR countries were WRONG.

Germany and Japan were an existential threat to the US homeland.
Saddam wasn't.
Saddam was a rich butcher who murdered, maimed, and displaced hundreds of thousands of Kurds, with not shortage of assistance from richer butchers in the US:

"Judge Juhi said the court had gathered enough evidence, ranging from documents to mass graves, to prosecute the defendants in the deaths of at least 50,000 civilians.

"Kurdish officials and human rights advocates put the death toll much higher and often say the Anfal campaign actually began years earlier, with other massacres and forced migrations.

"All parties agree that at the very least, hundreds of thousands were arrested, tortured, relocated or killed."

Even someone has deranged as Saddam never inflicted the level of suffering on all of his people that Dick and Dubya did; millions of civilians in Iraq have suffered the same fate as the Kurds, and their conditions are worsening, unlike those of Saddam's victims.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/world/05iht-saddam.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[SuMar]

This is not true.

you are full of shit, see post #125

Quoting the things from the Koran that are quoted in post 125 is like quoting these things from the Bible:

Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery."

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."


Most modern people, be they Christians who believe in the Bible or Muslims who believe in the Koran, do not follow these types of things, and no modern thinking, educated person believes they do. Those who follow such tenets are fundamentalist extremists, be they Christian or Islamic.

God KNOWS that man can't uphold the ten commandments. We are born into sin (original sin) and will continue to commit actual sin. THAT is why he sent us Jesus to die for our sins.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

[FJO]

Why do they hate America along with some apologist weasels on this board?

Here is the answer:

AllPolitics - San Diego Convention - Famous Convention Speeches

Your link:

"When our Marines, sent to Lebanon on a multinational peacekeeping mission with the consent of the United States Congress, were murdered in their sleep, the 'blame America first crowd' didn't blame the terrorists who murdered the Marines, they blamed the United States..."

What "blame" would you place on the USS New Jersey for the deaths of those Marines?

"On 8 February 1984, New Jersey fired almost 300 shells at Druze and Shi’ite positions in the hills overlooking Beirut. Another] of the massive projectiles rained down on the Bekaa valley east of Beirut and constituted the heaviest shore bombardment since the Korean War.

"The accuracy of New Jersey‘s guns was a scandal in US government circles and was consistently called into question.

"An investigation into New Jersey’s gunfire effectiveness in Lebanon, led Marine colonel Don Price, found that many of the ship’s shells had missed their targets by as much as 10,000 yards (9,140 m) and therefore may have inadvertently killed civilians.

"Records and oral hearings of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee could not be clearer and Secretary Kerrey and Ambassador Connelly know this.

"Tim McNulty, a correspondent for the Chicago Tribune based in Lebanon at the time wrote: 'Everybody loved the New Jersey until she fired her guns.'Once she fired, it was obvious she couldn’t hit anything,'

"Well, as the citizens of Lebanon know well it did hit things. Mainly it bombed innocent civilians and their property and Lebanon’s infrastructure."

Strictly speaking, those particular Marines had already died "in their sleep" the previous October after it became obvious to all Arabs the US "referee" had chosen sides in Lebanon's civil war. That doesn't change the number of Arab civilians murdered and maimed by US weapons during the 1980s in the Middle East and Central America or the fact that Jeanne Kirkpatrick has the same credibility as Dick Cheney when in comes to assessing US war crimes and protecting those who profit from them.

Thirty Years After the Bombing at the US Embassy in Lebanon » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

I hold "Counterpunch" in about the same high regard as - I am sure - you hold "World Net Daily" or "Townhall".

 

[WillowTree]

They hate us and want us dead.
Who?... Muslims.A lot of them.

Why....

Who the fuck knows at this point.

Drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent women and children, occupying their countries and killing more innocents while engaging "insurgents" will never win us any friends. If another country were to occupy the US they'd have a huge "insurgent" problem as well.

This bs about them hating us because of our freedoms is just that......bs

Mexico does occupy the US so it's okay to hate Mexico? Good to know that.

 

[kaz]

Most modern people, be they Christians who believe in the Bible or Muslims who believe in the Koran, do not follow these types of things, and no modern thinking, educated person believes they do. Those who follow such tenets are fundamentalist extremists, be they Christian or Islamic.

The difference being that fundamentalist Christians aren't blowing up buildings, airplanes, buses, grocery stores while doing things like loading ambulances with explosives and strapping bombs to their children. Fundamentalist Muslims are doing that across the globe.

Christianity underwent a reformation centuries ago, and has adapted to the modern world. Islam has not gone through a reformation and is stuck in the medieval world of centuries ago.

Agreed. Though even back in the day Christians didn't blow themselves up to murder random innocent people.

Actually the Islamic world went through this problem more than a millennium ago as well. They finally got tired of all the jihads and fatwas and went through a long period of peace, which lead to a lot of scientific and cultural advancement. Sadly the pendulum has swung back.

 

[Carla_Danger]

When was the last time a white Christian nation attacked us?

Again why would they? When did Iraq attack us?

when did I support the Iraq invasion?

Oh, sure you did. If it looks like a duck, it's probably not a chicken.

 

[georgephillip]

wonder if they are contemplating this at the Friday Harvard Afternoon Tea or Happy Hour? That's all we heard when US was being attacked during the Bush years. Drink up 1% Harvard!!

I wouldn't be surprised if the silver-spooners at Harvard and MIT are providing safe-haven for the one bomber that is still alive, so they can pick his brain to answer that very question.

Pretty obvious none of you have ever read the Bible as it pertains to the beginnings of Islam.
Abram consented and had sexual intercourse with Hagar. The result of these actions created emnity between Hagar and Sarai. (Genesis 16:1–6)

After a harsh encounter with Sarai, Hagar fled toward Shur. En route, an angel of the Lord appeared to Hagar at the well of a spring. He instructed her to return and told her she would bear a son who “shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren.” She was told to call her son: Ishmael. Hagar then referred to God as “El-roi”, meaning that she had gone on seeing after God saw her. From that day, the well was called Beer-lahai-roi. She then did as she was instructed by returning to Abram in order to have her child. Abram was eighty-six years of age when Ishmael was born. (Genesis 16:7–16)

One such example is from Ibn Kathir whose account states that an angel tells the pregnant Hagar to name her child Ishmael and prophecies that, "His hand would be over everyone, and the hand of everyone would be against him. His brethren would rule over all the lands." Ibn Kathir comments that this foretells of Muhammad's leadership.[5]

So Muslims have had a hard on for Jews/Christians since that time when Abram kicked the slut and mother of his first child out of his life.
They've resented that since and has this document shows wants all non-muslims to be dead!

Hamas Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)
"For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave, so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield..
The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! ..
And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed.
Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance.
Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

So there you are folks.. why Muslims hate Jews/Christians want them dead all because Ismael Abram's son was kicked out of Abram's household by Abram's legitimate wife Sarah. The Muslims have since that time considered themselves slandered, betrayed of their heritage and basically 2nd class citizens!

These are the facts folks. History can't be changed!

Mythology can.

 

[kaz]

Most modern people, be they Christians who believe in the Bible or Muslims who believe in the Koran, do not follow these types of things, and no modern thinking, educated person believes they do. Those who follow such tenets are fundamentalist extremists, be they Christian or Islamic.

The difference being that fundamentalist Christians aren't blowing up buildings, airplanes, buses, grocery stores while doing things like loading ambulances with explosives and strapping bombs to their children. Fundamentalist Muslims are doing that across the globe.

Oh, give em time. They'll catch up. Right now it's just a few abortion doctors.

When the only tool in your belt is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

There is zero support for abortion bombings in fundamentalist churches, Skippy. Thanks for playing, but you lost. Badly.

 

[WillowTree]

I bet liberals if given the chance for a "re do" would vote to let Saddam keep the woodchoppers humming 24/7, and why not gas a few more Kurds and invade Kuwait again,kill their people and steal their oil, I bet all liberals will vote not to lift a finger to protect S. Korea from the N. Korean aggressors..




don't you just love the liberals who blame America first?

 

[georgephillip]

Why do they hate America along with some apologist weasels on this board?

Here is the answer:

AllPolitics - San Diego Convention - Famous Convention Speeches

Your link:

"When our Marines, sent to Lebanon on a multinational peacekeeping mission with the consent of the United States Congress, were murdered in their sleep, the 'blame America first crowd' didn't blame the terrorists who murdered the Marines, they blamed the United States..."

What "blame" would you place on the USS New Jersey for the deaths of those Marines?

"On 8 February 1984, New Jersey fired almost 300 shells at Druze and Shi’ite positions in the hills overlooking Beirut. Another] of the massive projectiles rained down on the Bekaa valley east of Beirut and constituted the heaviest shore bombardment since the Korean War.

"The accuracy of New Jersey‘s guns was a scandal in US government circles and was consistently called into question.

"An investigation into New Jersey’s gunfire effectiveness in Lebanon, led Marine colonel Don Price, found that many of the ship’s shells had missed their targets by as much as 10,000 yards (9,140 m) and therefore may have inadvertently killed civilians.

"Records and oral hearings of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee could not be clearer and Secretary Kerrey and Ambassador Connelly know this.

"Tim McNulty, a correspondent for the Chicago Tribune based in Lebanon at the time wrote: 'Everybody loved the New Jersey until she fired her guns.'Once she fired, it was obvious she couldn’t hit anything,'

"Well, as the citizens of Lebanon know well it did hit things. Mainly it bombed innocent civilians and their property and Lebanon’s infrastructure."

Strictly speaking, those particular Marines had already died "in their sleep" the previous October after it became obvious to all Arabs the US "referee" had chosen sides in Lebanon's civil war. That doesn't change the number of Arab civilians murdered and maimed by US weapons during the 1980s in the Middle East and Central America or the fact that Jeanne Kirkpatrick has the same credibility as Dick Cheney when in comes to assessing US war crimes and protecting those who profit from them.

Thirty Years After the Bombing at the US Embassy in Lebanon » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

I hold "Counterpunch" in about the same high regard as - I am sure - you hold "World Net Daily" or "Townhall".

Then you should have no trouble refuting its content, right?
What do your sources say about civilian casualties inflicted by the US in Lebanon in 1983-84?