martybegan
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Maybe we could start with a country that would be a nice example of the goal, and why?
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Venezuela would be one I think.
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Maybe we could start with a country that would be a nice example of the goal, and why?
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OK...let's look at where the playing field is not levelSeriously?this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.
what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.
Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping
everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?
I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?
OK...let's look at where the playing field is not levelSeriously?this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.
what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.
Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping
everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?
I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field
More bullshit on your part. You make up a position for liberals and then attack your phony positionNo liberal wants a country where everyone is totally dependent on the stateI would replace the world liberal with progressive statist. Today's liberals are not liberals in the classical sense.
Progressive statists want a supreme federal government, where people are totally dependent on the state, and thus the state is an inseparable part of their lives. On the social front, they want everyone to either agree with them, or be ostracized and eliminated from society, or at least to just shut up in public.
Stop making shit up
progressive statists sure as hell do, and they are part of the modern "liberal" pantheon.
More bullshit on your part. You make up a position for liberals and then attack your phony positionNo liberal wants a country where everyone is totally dependent on the stateI would replace the world liberal with progressive statist. Today's liberals are not liberals in the classical sense.
Progressive statists want a supreme federal government, where people are totally dependent on the state, and thus the state is an inseparable part of their lives. On the social front, they want everyone to either agree with them, or be ostracized and eliminated from society, or at least to just shut up in public.
Stop making shit up
progressive statists sure as hell do, and they are part of the modern "liberal" pantheon.
The state has a role in any society. Most functions in our lives are best filled at the individual level but many are more efficiently performed by the state
Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
OK...let's look at where the playing field is not levelSeriously?this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.
what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.
Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping
everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?
I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field
OK...let's look at where the playing field is not levelSeriously?this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.
what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.
Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping
everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?
I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field
Did it help the people who got passed over due to adding points to the people who got in due to it?
So American traditions are nothing more than bigoted customs existing, "simply because."Define the difference between 'social order' and 'social justice.'
Social order refers to all the various institutions, customs and practices that tend to regulate how we behave. These are often preserved simply because they exist and do not necessarily serve to protect the rights of all individuals.
Does not it state in the 'Declaration of Independence" that "all men are created equal?"Social justice refers to a moral concept that operates from the assumption that all people were created equal and so deserve the same rights.
Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Lets be even more specific. This most recent budget fiasco has Citigroup lobbying hard for bailout from the taxpayer IF the banks fuck up again playing with derivatives. And Republicans defended this provision to the fullest extent possible. Basically threatening the entire government IF this provision wasn't left in the funding bill.
Hows that for unjust?
The difference is that wealthy liberals are willing to pass laws that force them to pay moreOK...let's look at where the playing field is not levelSeriously?this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.
what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.
Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping
everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?
I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field
affirmative action punished people because of their race, sex, or who their parents were. How is that "fair"?
You do realize that most of the hated "wealthy class" are democrats and liberals don't you?
Liberal hypocrisy is rampant in hollywood, the media, and corporate america.
I want us to be a Nation above all Nations, in Justice, in wealth, in equal opportunity, and in the quality of life itself...for everyone.
I want to be represented without having to have a million dollars to bribe my representatives.
I don't want a police state, I don't want Banks running the Nation, we the people should be running the Nation, I don't want to enter in to a war, unless the country has tried to attack us first etc....
I don't want people running the Nation that believe the rich are too poor, and the poor are too rich.
Rich people don't create jobs, Jobs create rich people.
Why should one race be given special consideration to fill an opportunity over another even though they're LESS QUALIFIED?OK...let's look at where the playing field is not levelSeriously?this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.
what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.
Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping
everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?
I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field
Did it help the people who got passed over due to adding points to the people who got in due to it?
It helped those who were never given an opportunity to fill management or Complex jobs. In a society where blacks were only allowed menial jobs and women were only allowed subservient jobs, affirmative action was necessary
Affirmative action worked
OK...let's look at where the playing field is not levelSeriously?this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.
what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.
Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping
everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?
I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field
Did it help the people who got passed over due to adding points to the people who got in due to it?
It helped those who were never given an opportunity to fill management or Complex jobs. In a society where blacks were only allowed menial jobs and women were only allowed subservient jobs, affirmative action was necessary
Affirmative action worked
The difference is that wealthy liberals are willing to pass laws that force them to pay moreOK...let's look at where the playing field is not levelSeriously?this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.
what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.
Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping
everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?
I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field
affirmative action punished people because of their race, sex, or who their parents were. How is that "fair"?
You do realize that most of the hated "wealthy class" are democrats and liberals don't you?
Liberal hypocrisy is rampant in hollywood, the media, and corporate america.
Wealthy conservatives pass laws that take away programs for the poor
What do you want our Nation to be?I want us to be a Nation above all Nations, in Justice, in wealth, in equal opportunity, and in the quality of life itself...for everyone.
I want to be represented without having to have a million dollars to bribe my representatives.
I don't want a police state, I don't want Banks running the Nation, we the people should be running the Nation, I don't want to enter in to a war, unless the country has tried to attack us first etc....
I don't want people running the Nation that believe the rich are too poor, and the poor are too rich.
Rich people don't create jobs, Jobs create rich people.
"I want to buy the world a coke and live in harmony" "Imagine all the people..........."
you live in a fantasy world.