What do normal people, think of the Palestinians?

[RoccoR]

rhodescholar, Humanity, et al,

Well, this is not entirely wrong from a practical standpoint.

Didn't Israel declare independence without declaring borders?

Wow, what an amazing statement, you really hit hard with that one...just...so...powerful...

What was the point of it, imbecile?

(COMMENT)

On Mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate was terminated and Israel, minutes later, declared independence. Pursuant to the agreement with the UN Palestine Commission, which was the "successor government" to the Mandatory (UK), the borders for Israel were established IAW the General Assembly Resolution 181(II), and the Map in Annex "A".

On Israel proclaimed its independence on the strength of the General Assembly resolution; armed conflict then broke out between Israel and a number of Arab States.

A set of general armistice agreements were concluded in 1949 between Israel and the neighbouring States through mediation by the United Nations. In particular, one such agreement was signed in Rhodes on 3 April 1949 between Israel and Jordan, "without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto”.

In the 1967 War, Israeli forces occupied all the territories which had constituted Palestine under British Mandate (including those known as the West Bank, lying to the east of the Green Line). This line became what is known today as the 1967 Borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[cnm]

I know exactly where they are.

Yet you can't state it. Must be a secret.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does anybody know the borders of this Palestinian state that never existed in history? Ha ha ha ha.

Sure.

 

[P F Tinmore]

HAMAS says that they are liberating Palestine. In this context Palestine is meant [2013' major position paper for Hamas (Author: Khaled Meshal)] as:

1. Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures.

2. Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land, that has a major portion in the heart of every Arab and Muslim

3. No recognition of the legitimacy of the occupation whatever; this is a principled position, political and moral, and therefore do not recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long; nand it will not be long, God willing.

That is the legally and morally correct position.

What are your objections?

 

[theliq]

Does anybody know the borders of this Palestinian state that never existed in history? Ha ha ha ha.

Sure.

Even this Tinnie was not the land area original plan for the division the Jews were to be given(Given being the operative word here)a smaller amount of land......this map is for 1956.from a survey in 1946...I also note it was drawn up as a proposal ad-hoc committee/commission........The map is a Joke,steve.keep up the fight for justice and peace Tinnie...regards to the family

 

[theliq]

...He's been reading the Koran too much. Turns them into animals.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes.

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

I cannot imagine Jesus of Nazareth spewing filth like that...

Why would Jesus say that about his own people and religion?

Gotta go longer and more generic than that, Roudy... a peace-loving type like Jesus would probably not have said such a thing about anybody, based upon his M.O.

Muhammed (Peanut butter and jelly Be Upon Him), on the other hand, was a bloodthirsty pedophile who perverted the vision of an all-loving, all-forgiving godhead into something savage and hateful, and the ignorant goal-buggerers of Arabia bought into it hook, line and sinker.

Didn't the Jew David Murder the King of the Jews Saul,Didn't the Jews kill Jesus,Didn't the Jews murder Mr Rabin.............Didn't the Jews murder Arafat.......Methinks that there was and is a patten here.........Didn't the Jews slaughter over 70,000 Palestinians since 1948.......Why do Jews like to murder,even their own?????????.Kondie.........steve

 

[Challenger]

Does anybody know the borders of this Palestinian state that never existed in history? Ha ha ha ha.

Sure.

Even this Tinnie was not the land area original plan for the division the Jews were to be given(Given being the operative word here)a smaller amount of land......this map is for 1956.from a survey in 1946...I also note it was drawn up as a proposal ad-hoc committee/commission........The map is a Joke,steve.keep up the fight for justice and peace Tinnie...regards to the family

It may be a 1956 map but it does show the original partition lines in green, so not that much of a joke.

 

[Mindful]

Does anybody know the borders of this Palestinian state that never existed in history? Ha ha ha ha.

Stop contradicting yourself Roudy

How about this, give me the borders of this so called Arab Muslim country of Palestine that the Jews stole before 1948. Let's go, that should be easy, no?

Good luck with getting any answers to that one. lol

 

[Kondor3]

...Didn't the Jew David Murder the King of the Jews Saul...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

...Didn't the Jews kill Jesus...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

...Didn't the Jews murder Mr Rabin...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

...Didn't the Jews murder Arafat...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

BTW... when you have something solid, indicating that the Jews poisoned Arafat, be sure to start a thread on it.

...Methinks that there was and is a patten here...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

...Didn't the Jews slaughter over 70,000 Palestinians since 1948...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

BTW... the Jews slaughter no Palestinians, although they have certainly killed many during the course of legitimate asymmetrical warfare operations.

...Why do Jews like to murder,even their own?...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

 

[Mindful]

...Didn't the Jew David Murder the King of the Jews Saul...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

...Didn't the Jews kill Jesus...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

...Didn't the Jews murder Mr Rabin...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

...Didn't the Jews murder Arafat...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

BTW... when you have something solid, indicating that the Jews poisoned Arafat, be sure to start a thread on it.

...Methinks that there was and is a patten here...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

...Didn't the Jews slaughter over 70,000 Palestinians since 1948...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

BTW... the Jews slaughter no Palestinians, although they have certainly killed many during the course of legitimate asymmetrical warfare operations.

...Why do Jews like to murder,even their own?...

Doesn't excuse the bloodthirstiness of Muhammed and his successors, does it?

Are they trying moral equivalence now?

They must be missing a chromosome.

 

[Mindful]

Blaming Israel for Palestinian violence is racist: it denies that Arabs are moral agents

Alan Johnson, Editor of Fathom Journal

There were some odd media reactions to the murder of four Jews at prayer (and the heroic Israeli Druze first responder Zidan Saif who tried to rescue them) by two Palestinians perpetrators in Jerusalem this week.

• The Canadian Broadcast Company tweeted “Jerusalem police fatally shoot 2 after apparent synagogue attack.
• The CNN headline read ‘4 Israelis, 2 Palestinians dead in Jerusalem’ without noting that the two Palestinians were the terrorists. (CNN later apologised.) See the memes here.
• The Guardian wrote about “the despair and anger that pushed the Abu Jamals to attack Jews in a synagogue (emphasis added).”

Of course not all reporting was of this character. But still, what explains the exculpatory impulse, also widespread on social media?

Part of the explanation lies in the profound influence that the Anti-Zionist Ideology (a system of demonising ideas and representations about Israel and the Jews) now exercises in our culture. At the heart of the ideology is a deeply buried, often unconscious, assumption about the dichotomous natures of Israelis and Palestinians that warps our understanding of the conflict. Here it is: Palestinians (and Arabs per se) do not have agency and choice, and so cannot be held accountable and responsible. Israelis do and can; always, and exclusively.

Palestinians are understood as a driven people, dominated by circumstance and emotion, lacking choice, below the age of responsibility, never to be held accountable. Israelis are the opposite; masters of all circumstances, rational and calculating, the root cause of everything, responsible for everything. READ MORE AT DAILY TELEGRAPH.

 

[Kondor3]

HAMAS says that they are liberating Palestine. In this context Palestine is meant [2013' major position paper for Hamas (Author: Khaled Meshal)] as:

1. Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures.

2. Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land, that has a major portion in the heart of every Arab and Muslim

3. No recognition of the legitimacy of the occupation whatever; this is a principled position, political and moral, and therefore do not recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long; nand it will not be long, God willing.

That is the legally and morally correct position.

What are your objections?

No room for compromise regarding land for Jews, as well?

OK.

Feel free to continue deteriorating in your 66-year-old refugee-camp and refugee-town shitholes.

Feel free to continue dying in-place.

Feel free to continue in your role as the laughing-stock of much of the world.

Object all you like.

Won't change a thing.

Run up a white flag, while there is still time.

Or leave.

Or die.

Any of those will do just fine... doesn't matter which one... your choice.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does anybody know the borders of this Palestinian state that never existed in history? Ha ha ha ha.

Sure.

Even this Tinnie was not the land area original plan for the division the Jews were to be given(Given being the operative word here)a smaller amount of land......this map is for 1956.from a survey in 1946...I also note it was drawn up as a proposal ad-hoc committee/commission........The map is a Joke,steve.keep up the fight for justice and peace Tinnie...regards to the family

It may be a 1956 map but it does show the original partition lines in green, so not that much of a joke.

It is a 1946 map modified in 1956 by including some proposed borders that never became borders. If you look at the legend you can find the symbol for the international boundaries for Palestine.

The 1949 UN Armistice Agreements show that Palestine is still there and its international boundaries remained unchanged.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Part of the explanation lies in the profound influence that the Anti-Zionist Ideology (a system of demonising ideas and representations about Israel and the Jews) now exercises in our culture. At the heart of the ideology is a deeply buried, often unconscious, assumption about the dichotomous natures of Israelis and Palestinians that warps our understanding of the conflict. Here it is: Palestinians (and Arabs per se) do not have agency and choice, and so cannot be held accountable and responsible. Israelis do and can; always, and exclusively.

Palestinians are understood as a driven people, dominated by circumstance and emotion, lacking choice, below the age of responsibility, never to be held accountable. Israelis are the opposite; masters of all circumstances, rational and calculating, the root cause of everything, responsible for everything. READ MORE AT DAILY TELEGRAPH.

I have long likened it to dysfunctional family dynamics where parents have two children -- one a straight A student who is responsible and mature and the other a wild child, forever in trouble with authorities. A pattern emerges where the parents expectations for the two children are wildly different as well, and the wild one not only receives most of the attention, but doesn't need to live up to the expectations of the other. To try to be "fair" to both children, the dysfunctional parents become extremely critical of the Mature child as a way to balance out the criticism of the wild one and make it "fair". The bar they have set for the behavior of each child becomes so ingrained that the mature child is led to believe they can do nothing right and the wild one nothing wrong. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy of sorts where the expectation of bad behavior leads to more bad behavior, reinforced by the hypocritical treatment of the two children..

 

[Mindful]

Are you thinking about Jacob, Esau, and the Blessing?

 

[Mindful]

• In June 2011, Dr. Jaques Gauthier, an international human rights lawyer from Toronto addressed the European Parliament in Brussels on the legal issues regarding Jerusalem and Israel. Referring to the 1922 British Mandate for Palestine and to Article 80 of the UN Charter he said:"For anyone who is interested in justice, these are issues which we have to study carefully ... the rights vested in the Jewish people stand on very solid legal ground and are valid to this day."Under Article 80 and the 1922 Mandate he maintained that Jerusalem cannot be divided and that Jews still have the legal right to settle anywhere in Mandated land.

So since there is no legal ownership of Judea and Samaria, these areas cannot be regarded as "occupied territory". The armistice borders never received international recognition. All of western Palestine, from the Jordan to the Mediterranean, including Gaza and all of Jerusalem (as in Fig.3) remains legally open to Jewish settlement under the orignal British Mandate. International lawyers maintain that this right of settlement is protected by Article 80 of the UN Charter which recognises the Trust (British Mandate) handed to it by the League of Nations.

It appears that the world prefers to 'believe a lie' (2 Thes 2.11) and still cry "occupied territory"!

 

[Roudy]

Does anybody know the borders of this Palestinian state that never existed in history? Ha ha ha ha.

Sure.

And even that wasn't enough for the greedy Arabs. They used those same occupied lands to attack Israel unsuccessfully. Now they're whining over something they caused.

"Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition in the resolution[7] and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division.[8] Their reason was that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.[6][9]

Immediately after adoption of the Resolution by the General Assembly, the civil war broke out.[10] The partition plan was not implemented.[11]

• Jamal Husseini promised, "The blood will flow like rivers in the Middle East".[68] Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Said, said: "We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in".
• Iraq’s prime minister Nuri al-Said told British diplomats that if the United Nations solution was not "satisfactory", "severe measures should be taken against all Jews in Arab countries".[69]"

ooooops! Sorry, can't take it back, Mohammad.

 

[Roudy]

Does anybody know the borders of this Palestinian state that never existed in history? Ha ha ha ha.

Sure.

Even this Tinnie was not the land area original plan for the division the Jews were to be given(Given being the operative word here)a smaller amount of land......this map is for 1956.from a survey in 1946...I also note it was drawn up as a proposal ad-hoc committee/commission........The map is a Joke,steve.keep up the fight for justice and peace Tinnie...regards to the family

Tinmore is a professional Hamas paid liar and you are a professional SUCKER.

 

[Roudy]

rhodescholar, Humanity, et al,

Well, this is not entirely wrong from a practical standpoint.

Didn't Israel declare independence without declaring borders?

Wow, what an amazing statement, you really hit hard with that one...just...so...powerful...

What was the point of it, imbecile?

(COMMENT)

On Mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate was terminated and Israel, minutes later, declared independence. Pursuant to the agreement with the UN Palestine Commission, which was the "successor government" to the Mandatory (UK), the borders for Israel were established IAW the General Assembly Resolution 181(II), and the Map in Annex "A".

On Israel proclaimed its independence on the strength of the General Assembly resolution; armed conflict then broke out between Israel and a number of Arab States.

A set of general armistice agreements were concluded in 1949 between Israel and the neighbouring States through mediation by the United Nations. In particular, one such agreement was signed in Rhodes on 3 April 1949 between Israel and Jordan, "without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto”.

In the 1967 War, Israeli forces occupied all the territories which had constituted Palestine under British Mandate (including those known as the West Bank, lying to the east of the Green Line). This line became what is known today as the 1967 Borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

The map Tinmore posted is of lands the Jordanians and Egyptians occupied after their attack, not of "Palestinian land".

 

[P F Tinmore]

• In June 2011, Dr. Jaques Gauthier, an international human rights lawyer from Toronto addressed the European Parliament in Brussels on the legal issues regarding Jerusalem and Israel. Referring to the 1922 British Mandate for Palestine and to Article 80 of the UN Charter he said:"For anyone who is interested in justice, these are issues which we have to study carefully ... the rights vested in the Jewish people stand on very solid legal ground and are valid to this day."Under Article 80 and the 1922 Mandate he maintained that Jerusalem cannot be divided and that Jews still have the legal right to settle anywhere in Mandated land.

So since there is no legal ownership of Judea and Samaria, these areas cannot be regarded as "occupied territory". The armistice borders never received international recognition. All of western Palestine, from the Jordan to the Mediterranean, including Gaza and all of Jerusalem (as in Fig.3) remains legally open to Jewish settlement under the orignal British Mandate. International lawyers maintain that this right of settlement is protected by Article 80 of the UN Charter which recognises the Trust (British Mandate) handed to it by the League of Nations.

It appears that the world prefers to 'believe a lie' (2 Thes 2.11) and still cry "occupied territory"!

This is taken out of context. There was a procedure for Jews to enter Palestine.

Jews would be allowed to immigrate.

Jews would be assisted in obtaining Palestinian citizenship.

Jews would be allowed to settle anywhere in Palestine.

Now, did this right apply to Palestinian Jews and foreign national Jews? Other parts of the mandate suggests not.