What Do The Words "A Well Regulated Militia" Mean?

[M14 Shooter]

For nearly a century the word "militia" was not seen to be synonymous with the word "individual".

Irrelevant; the right protected by the 2nd belongs to the people, not the militia.

Thus, your point is negated.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

they don't understand that it was the language of the day, IT DID NOT MEAN EVERYONE GETS A GUN. if you look to historical data and the words used back then, its does not mean what the NRA claims it means. also the 2nd amend. was written 200+ years ago, guns have changed, why cant laws? The reason why the laws don't get upgraded is thats not where the money is. Also the "right to bear arms" is used and has been used to by hate groups like the KKK to be able to intimidate others, once again another reason cons in this country don't want reasonable gun regulation. Like back round checks, for fuck sake!

If you want to change the law, then do it. Repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Until then, it is the law. Anyone who doesn't follow it is, by definition, an outlaw.

Why do liberals have such trouble with basic things?

 

[Meister]

coyote's a carpet kissing fool.

obvious troll is obvious

 

[M14 Shooter]

They cannot explain the well-regulated part, and they also cannot show where gun owners have a privacy right pertaining to their guns.

Each time you post, you leave no one guessing as to the level of stupidity with which you post.

Since I'm so stupid, please show where in the Constitution it prohibits a gun registry.

Registration of guns and gun owners is every bit of an infringement on the right as registering church goers and/or those who have abortions.

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Hopefully that is clear enough for you.

 

[Little-Acorn]

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[rightwinger]

And why do RWers and other Republicans like to ignore it?

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter.[It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. ]Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

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Turned off your supersize

How then is a "well regulated militia" in proper working order?

It has a set organizational structure with established responsibilities
It trains its members
It meets regularly
It meets certain standards

How do todays gun owners support a well regulated militia?

 

[Crackerjaxon]

And why do RWers and other Republicans like to ignore it?

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

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I don't buy that argument. It's fallacious. It doesn't make any sense if interpreted that way.

Make sure WHAT was working properly? The law? The gun? Why not use that same term for any other Amendment? That's bogus and you know it.

The word may have meant that at the time, but not ONLY that, "regulated" still meant regulated as we know it. English words have multiple meanings, even back then.

Cut your nonsense.

Obviously, the militia should be in good working order to ensure a free state.

The Constitution was written to be read and understood by the people. It is not obtuse.

 

[rightwinger]

Each time you post, you leave no one guessing as to the level of stupidity with which you post.

Since I'm so stupid, please show where in the Constitution it prohibits a gun registry.

Registration of guns and gun owners is every bit of an infringement on the right as registering church goers and/or those who have abortions.

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Hopefully that is clear enough for you.

Isn't the registration of gun owners part of being in a well regulated militia? How do we know who is available to support our militia without knowing who our gun owners are?

When we are invaded and have to rely on patriotic gun owners to defend our country, how do we organize and notify them if we do not know who they are?

 

[Little-Acorn]

It's fun to watch the paranoid gun-haters beating on the phrase "well regulated militia", in an attempt to twist it enough to take away people's guns unless they're in some certain kind of "militia".

In fact, the 2nd doesn't require you to be in a militia at all, or any other military group, to have a right to keep and bear arms.

As a result, threads like this are completely useless.

Poor little gun-haters. Failed again!

 

[kwc57]

They cannot explain the well-regulated part, and they also cannot show where gun owners have a privacy right pertaining to their guns.

Each time you post, you leave no one guessing as to the level of stupidity with which you post.

Since I'm so stupid, please show where in the Constitution it prohibits a gun registry. Or where you are afforded any privacy at all for your gun purchases.

Show us all how smart you are!

If you were told that your micro wanking were not to be infringed, what would you take that to mean? That it cannot be infringed or that it can be infringed. Why do liberals claim to be the smartest people in the room when they can't even understand simple concepts or words. How do you remember to breathe?

 

[M14 Shooter]

You'll have to excuse RW -- he prides himself in being deliberately wrong.

 

[Meister]

You'll have to excuse RW -- he prides himself in being deliberately wrong.

Yup, he sure doesn't know the intent of the second amendment.
I'm waiting for him to break out the race card in this thread.

 

[Little-Acorn]

The 2nd amendment in modern language, means:

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right or ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted."

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That "well-regulated militia" part translates most accurately, to a populace that is armed and capable of using their weapons.

Note too, that that first phrase is simply a reason why the right cannot be infringed. Not a condition on its infringement. It actually doesn't matter exactly what a "well-regulated militia" is. It could be a pair of shoelaces or a Thanksgiving turkey or a moon rocket. The amendment says that, since it's important, the right to own and carry guns can't be taken away or restricted.

 

[rightwinger]

The 2nd amendment in modern language, means:

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right or ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted."

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That "well-regulated militia" part translates most accurately, to a populace that is armed and capable of using their weapons.

Note too, that that first phrase is simply a reason why the right cannot be infringed. Not a condition on its infringement. It actually doesn't matter exactly what a "well-regulated militia" is. It could be a pair of shoelaces or a Thanksgiving turkey or a moon rocket. The amendment says that, since it's important, the right to own and carry guns can't be taken away or restricted.

No it doesn't

 

[Spoonman]

james madison clearly explained what his intentions were in the federalist papers. why do libs ignore the words of the author?

 

[rightwinger]

Our nation depends on our gun owners to defend us. What will happen when our country is attacked and we depend on a bunch of unknown random gun owners to form an effective fighting force to defend the women and children?

We need to register all our gun owners so that we know who they are and how much guns and ammunition they own. How else can we form a well regulated militia to ensure our free state. We also need to make gun owners get off their fat asses, exercise, train and be prepared to defend us

How else are they "well regulated"?

 

[Contumacious]

The 2nd amendment in modern language, means:

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right or ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted."

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That "well-regulated militia" part translates most accurately, to a populace that is armed and capable of using their weapons.

Note too, that that first phrase is simply a reason why the right cannot be infringed. Not a condition on its infringement. It actually doesn't matter exactly what a "well-regulated militia" is. It could be a pair of shoelaces or a Thanksgiving turkey or a moon rocket. The amendment says that, since it's important, the right to own and carry guns can't be taken away or restricted.

Exactly.

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[Meister]

Our nation depends on our gun owners to defend us. What will happen when our country is attacked and we depend on a bunch of unknown random gun owners to form an effective fighting force to defend the women and children?

We need to register all our gun owners so that we know who they are and how much guns and ammunition they own. How else can we form a well regulated militia to ensure our free state. We also need to make gun owners get off their fat asses, exercise, train and be prepared to defend us

How else are they "well regulated"?

You still don't understand what the second amendment is all about, RW.

 

[Spoonman]

Our nation depends on our gun owners to defend us. What will happen when our country is attacked and we depend on a bunch of unknown random gun owners to form an effective fighting force to defend the women and children?

We need to register all our gun owners so that we know who they are and how much guns and ammunition they own. How else can we form a well regulated militia to ensure our free state. We also need to make gun owners get off their fat asses, exercise, train and be prepared to defend us

How else are they "well regulated"?

madison intended it to be protection against our own government

 

[rightwinger]

Our nation depends on our gun owners to defend us. What will happen when our country is attacked and we depend on a bunch of unknown random gun owners to form an effective fighting force to defend the women and children?

We need to register all our gun owners so that we know who they are and how much guns and ammunition they own. How else can we form a well regulated militia to ensure our free state. We also need to make gun owners get off their fat asses, exercise, train and be prepared to defend us

How else are they "well regulated"?

You still don't understand what the second amendment is all about, RW.

What is the matter with gun owners? Don't you love our country?

You are unwilling to join a well regulated militia to protect us?