What do you say in the end about McCain?

[kaz]

And you say I don't really want to have a conversation?

Well, obviously, you don't since you want to claim things i didn't say... but never mind...

when you develop the reading comprehension skills to address what I actually say, and then have someone explain the big words to you, let me know.

Leftists never said what you said

 

[kaz]

And you say I don't really want to have a conversation?

Well, obviously, you don't since you want to claim things i didn't say... but never mind...

when you develop the reading comprehension skills to address what I actually say, and then have someone explain the big words to you, let me know.

Dumb ass believes that if you didn’t vote for Hillary you were a Trump supporter because to him there was only one choice. He is stuck in the old two party system, amazing how the rest of the world has moved on from the two party system, yet in America big business still has the masses fooled.

I'm a pragmatist. There were only two choices. Only one of two people were going to be president in 2016. The Electoral College you Trump Cultists praised has effectively locked us into a two party system. Theres' simply no way that a third party can evolve.

Let's look at the recent third parties-

Gary Johnson- Dope Smoking Nut
Jill Stein - Nut.
Ralph Nader - Nut
Pat Buchanan - Nazi and Nut
Ross Perot - Nut

see a pattern here, buddy?

Pragmatist?

You're a Stalinist.

The dude has zero self realization. People with bad attitudes like JoeB always thinks that's being realistic. No ... it's not balanced, it's a bad attitude

 

[boedicca]

Adios, and don't let the door smack your ass on the way out...

 

[kaz]

And you say I don't really want to have a conversation?

Well, obviously, you don't since you want to claim things i didn't say... but never mind...

when you develop the reading comprehension skills to address what I actually say, and then have someone explain the big words to you, let me know.

Dumb ass believes that if you didn’t vote for Hillary you were a Trump supporter because to him there was only one choice. He is stuck in the old two party system, amazing how the rest of the world has moved on from the two party system, yet in America big business still has the masses fooled.

I'm a pragmatist. There were only two choices. Only one of two people were going to be president in 2016. The Electoral College you Trump Cultists praised has effectively locked us into a two party system. Theres' simply no way that a third party can evolve.

Let's look at the recent third parties-

Gary Johnson- Dope Smoking Nut
Jill Stein - Nut.
Ralph Nader - Nut
Pat Buchanan - Nazi and Nut
Ross Perot - Nut

see a pattern here, buddy?

I only voted for two of those. Even your descriptions of them are better though than the reality of what the two parties keep giving us though

 

[kaz]

It cracks me up how you're so moronic that while you claim to have voted for all these Republicans, you're not one. I didn't, but to you I am one. And I'm responsible for all these people that you voted for and I didn't. Can't make up the stupid that you actually are

Hey, I'd have no problem voting for the Republican Party of Reagan and Ford. I wouldn't have much of a problem voting for the one of the Bush family if they weren't so fucking incompetent.

The party of Trump, though, is more of a cult... and you drink deep of the koolaid.

Dude, you're the one who voted for Trump. More of your stupid shit that I'm responsible for who I didn't vote for and you did but you're not responsible for who you voted for. You never are

He didn't vote Trump... That's my opinion, and you keyed in on it.

No kidding. Joe keeps telling me I voted for Trump and I didn't so I keep telling him he voted for Trump. There's no actual discussion with Joe. He thinks that being for State rights is only for racism. He thinks opposing welfare is because we'd rather whites not get welfare than blacks get it. Dude's a dumb ass

 

[Uncensored2008]

And you say I don't really want to have a conversation?

Well, obviously, you don't since you want to claim things i didn't say... but never mind...

when you develop the reading comprehension skills to address what I actually say, and then have someone explain the big words to you, let me know.

Dumb ass believes that if you didn’t vote for Hillary you were a Trump supporter because to him there was only one choice. He is stuck in the old two party system, amazing how the rest of the world has moved on from the two party system, yet in America big business still has the masses fooled.

I'm a pragmatist. There were only two choices. Only one of two people were going to be president in 2016. The Electoral College you Trump Cultists praised has effectively locked us into a two party system. Theres' simply no way that a third party can evolve.

Let's look at the recent third parties-

Gary Johnson- Dope Smoking Nut
Jill Stein - Nut.
Ralph Nader - Nut
Pat Buchanan - Nazi and Nut
Ross Perot - Nut

see a pattern here, buddy?

I only voted for two of those. Even your descriptions of them are better though than the reality of what the two parties keep giving us though

I voted for Johnson, but I regret it.

I would very much vote for Trump if I had a do-over.

 

[kaz]

And you say I don't really want to have a conversation?

Well, obviously, you don't since you want to claim things i didn't say... but never mind...

when you develop the reading comprehension skills to address what I actually say, and then have someone explain the big words to you, let me know.

Dumb ass believes that if you didn’t vote for Hillary you were a Trump supporter because to him there was only one choice. He is stuck in the old two party system, amazing how the rest of the world has moved on from the two party system, yet in America big business still has the masses fooled.

I'm a pragmatist. There were only two choices. Only one of two people were going to be president in 2016. The Electoral College you Trump Cultists praised has effectively locked us into a two party system. Theres' simply no way that a third party can evolve.

Let's look at the recent third parties-

Gary Johnson- Dope Smoking Nut
Jill Stein - Nut.
Ralph Nader - Nut
Pat Buchanan - Nazi and Nut
Ross Perot - Nut

see a pattern here, buddy?

I only voted for two of those. Even your descriptions of them are better though than the reality of what the two parties keep giving us though

I voted for Johnson, but I regret it.

I would very much vote for Trump if I had a do-over.

I don't regret not voting for him the first time though. Key is building the wall. If he wants my vote next time, that's what he needs to do to get it

 

[edward37]

And you say I don't really want to have a conversation?

Well, obviously, you don't since you want to claim things i didn't say... but never mind...

when you develop the reading comprehension skills to address what I actually say, and then have someone explain the big words to you, let me know.

Dumb ass believes that if you didn’t vote for Hillary you were a Trump supporter because to him there was only one choice. He is stuck in the old two party system, amazing how the rest of the world has moved on from the two party system, yet in America big business still has the masses fooled.

I'm a pragmatist. There were only two choices. Only one of two people were going to be president in 2016. The Electoral College you Trump Cultists praised has effectively locked us into a two party system. Theres' simply no way that a third party can evolve.

Let's look at the recent third parties-

Gary Johnson- Dope Smoking Nut
Jill Stein - Nut.
Ralph Nader - Nut
Pat Buchanan - Nazi and Nut
Ross Perot - Nut

see a pattern here, buddy?

I only voted for two of those. Even your descriptions of them are better though than the reality of what the two parties keep giving us though

I voted for Johnson, but I regret it.

I would very much vote for Trump if I had a do-over.

but you're voting dem in nov?

 

[kaz]

And you say I don't really want to have a conversation?

Well, obviously, you don't since you want to claim things i didn't say... but never mind...

when you develop the reading comprehension skills to address what I actually say, and then have someone explain the big words to you, let me know.

Dumb ass believes that if you didn’t vote for Hillary you were a Trump supporter because to him there was only one choice. He is stuck in the old two party system, amazing how the rest of the world has moved on from the two party system, yet in America big business still has the masses fooled.

I'm a pragmatist. There were only two choices. Only one of two people were going to be president in 2016. The Electoral College you Trump Cultists praised has effectively locked us into a two party system. Theres' simply no way that a third party can evolve.

Let's look at the recent third parties-

Gary Johnson- Dope Smoking Nut
Jill Stein - Nut.
Ralph Nader - Nut
Pat Buchanan - Nazi and Nut
Ross Perot - Nut

see a pattern here, buddy?

I only voted for two of those. Even your descriptions of them are better though than the reality of what the two parties keep giving us though

I voted for Johnson, but I regret it.

I would very much vote for Trump if I had a do-over.

but you're voting dem in nov?

Huh?

 

[JoeB131]

That is because lemmings such as yourself are locked into voting for either or, you won’t look at anyone else, the problem is most people think like you. EC or no EC the two major parties got 95% of the vote thanks to the dittoheads such as yourself that can’t think for themselves.

Uh, no, the major parties got 95% of the vote because the minor parties nominate dope smoking communist nuts.

Third parties are the province of loons and people showing how important they are.

But the EC does keep a sensible third party from really evolving. Here's how. Let's say a third party actually does well enough to deny the two parties a majority in the EC. What happens then? The last time a third party actually won a state was in 1968, but it wasn't enough to keep Nixon from winning.

If nobody gets a majority in the EC, the election is then thrown into Congress, where the House picks the President and the Senate picks the Veep. Since Third Parties almost never run full congressional slates, that means we are back to the two major parties picking the winner again.

This was Racist Strom Thurmond's goal in 1948, where he hoped he wouldn't win the election, but he'd get enough votes to throw the election into Congress, and then Congress would elect him over Harry Truman.

Big business backs two parties and only two parties, that is why we have a two party system and it didn’t matter who else ran in 2016, you would have voted for a Democrat because you were told to by the party, advertising and corporate America.

Um, no. You see, I voted for Kasich in the primaries (I usually draw a GOP ballot in the primaries) and had he won the nomination, you know, if the GOP hadn't spent all it's time appealling to libertarian nuts and religious nuts, I'd have voted for him in the general election.

Instead, you guys went full on Crazy and nominated Trumpenfuhrer. So, yeah, you kind of made my choice for me, I guess, but it wasn't big business.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, that's it exactly. Not Hillary = Trump. Joe's not very bright. Then leftists turn around and say they are smarter than Republicans because they aren't all black and white like Republicans are ...

um, no, pissing away your vote on a third party was even DUMBER than voting for Trump. Not that I htink you did that.

 

[kaz]

That is because lemmings such as yourself are locked into voting for either or, you won’t look at anyone else, the problem is most people think like you. EC or no EC the two major parties got 95% of the vote thanks to the dittoheads such as yourself that can’t think for themselves.

Uh, no, the major parties got 95% of the vote because the minor parties nominate dope smoking communist nuts

You're right about Gary Johnson. I was so disappointed in the Libertarian Party. This is three elections in a row they didn't even nominate an actual libertarian.

However, you think the major parties are nominating better? That's so inane. Hillary was one of the worst candidates ever nominated by any party ever. She lost to a guy with an approval rating in the 30s ... during the election ... And she thoroughly earned it ...

 

[kaz]

Yes, that's it exactly. Not Hillary = Trump. Joe's not very bright. Then leftists turn around and say they are smarter than Republicans because they aren't all black and white like Republicans are ...

um, no, pissing away your vote on a third party was even DUMBER than voting for Trump. Not that I htink you did that.

Well, at least you admitted that you are black and white.

Why would I have voted for Trump? Pretend you know what a libertarian is

 

[JoeB131]

You're right about Gary Johnson. I was so disappointed in the Libertarian Party. This is three elections in a row they didn't even nominate an actual libertarian.

However, you think the major parties are nominating better? That's so inane. Hillary was one of the worst candidates ever nominated by any candidate. She lost to a guy with an approval rating in the 30s ... during the election ... And she thoroughly earned it ...

Okay, going to try to talk to you like an adult here.

For the most part, both parties are very good at nominating and electing people who can get the job done. I might not like what they do when they get in, but they can and do appoint sensible people to run the departments, work with Congress to get sensible legislation passed, even when the other party is in charge.

I really, truly hated Mitt Romney with a passion, probably because the fact that Mormonism is even a thing offends me. But you know what, if things turned out differently in 2012, he could have run the country. His policies would have favored rich people, but stuff would have gotten done.

The Third Parties nominate people like Johnson, Stein, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot... loudmouths with an issue or two they are upset about but no idea how to govern if they actually got put in charge of something.

The problem in 2016 was that the GOP nominated the kind of clown that makes a splash as a third party candidate, but is usually washed out by the system.

Yes, Hillary was unlikable enough to where a lot of people indulged their inner misogynist and voted against her, but most of the people got it right and she won the popular vote. But this time, the awful system validated what even the GOP knew was a mistake.

We have a bunch of safeguards in place to prevent something like Trump from happening, but they are all failing, badly.

I often wondered what my Grandparents thought when Hitler came to power in Germany, or what Ancient Romans must have thought when Caligula was parading around Rome thinking he was a god.

I don't wonder that anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, at least you admitted that you are black and white.

Why would I have voted for Trump? Pretend you know what a libertarian is

I know exactly what a Libertarian is.... He's someone who enjoys all the benefits of civilization, but doesn't want to do any of the heavy lifting- paying taxes, following the rules, having support systems.

And it used to be, Republicans treated Libertarians like the absolute fools they were. When Ronald Reagan ran in 1980, we laughed at Brown and Koch.

then Koch decided to be the sugar daddy to the Rand Pauls and Joe Walsh's of the world, and we are stuck with this stupid thread within the GOP.

So now you get the craziness of the GOP running down a guy like John McCain on his deathbed because he thought, "Hey, maybe we shouldn't let rich guys like Koch and Soros buy our elections!"

(See, just to be fair, I included Soros in there.)

 

[kaz]

You're right about Gary Johnson. I was so disappointed in the Libertarian Party. This is three elections in a row they didn't even nominate an actual libertarian.

However, you think the major parties are nominating better? That's so inane. Hillary was one of the worst candidates ever nominated by any candidate. She lost to a guy with an approval rating in the 30s ... during the election ... And she thoroughly earned it ...

Okay, going to try to talk to you like an adult here.

For the most part, both parties are very good at nominating and electing people who can get the job done. I might not like what they do when they get in, but they can and do appoint sensible people to run the departments, work with Congress to get sensible legislation passed, even when the other party is in charge.

I really, truly hated Mitt Romney with a passion, probably because the fact that Mormonism is even a thing offends me. But you know what, if things turned out differently in 2012, he could have run the country. His policies would have favored rich people, but stuff would have gotten done.

The Third Parties nominate people like Johnson, Stein, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot... loudmouths with an issue or two they are upset about but no idea how to govern if they actually got put in charge of something.

The problem in 2016 was that the GOP nominated the kind of clown that makes a splash as a third party candidate, but is usually washed out by the system.

Yes, Hillary was unlikable enough to where a lot of people indulged their inner misogynist and voted against her, but most of the people got it right and she won the popular vote. But this time, the awful system validated what even the GOP knew was a mistake.

We have a bunch of safeguards in place to prevent something like Trump from happening, but they are all failing, badly.

I often wondered what my Grandparents thought when Hitler came to power in Germany, or what Ancient Romans must have thought when Caligula was parading around Rome thinking he was a god.

I don't wonder that anymore.

If you wrote more adult posts like this, you'd get more adult responses.

Seriously, I'm a mirror. I have discussions with serious posters and banter with the others. If you don't like what you're getting back from me, it tells you what you're giving.

On your point, it comes down to our political ideologies. Government functioning is going to give us more government. Government only grows, it never shrinks. We obviously agree on that since you want more government and I don't. So you want it to function and I don't. For me, the more dysfunctional the better

 

[kaz]

Well, at least you admitted that you are black and white.

Why would I have voted for Trump? Pretend you know what a libertarian is

I know exactly what a Libertarian is....

And after one serious post, you're back to your usual fare.

1) I'm not a Libertarian, I'm a libertarian. Pathetic that a supposed resume writer doesn't know the difference. I sure the hell hope for your victims, I mean clients, you actually do know the difference.

2) We're not anarchists, you fucking moron. We support taxes for limited government

I'll give you an English lesson. Capital letters in the middle of a sentence are used for proper nouns. "Libertarian" as a proper noun means a member of the party. I don't belong to the party. I've only voted four times for them for President. I've also voted for other third party like Perot and Nader. I only voted Republican once since I left the Republican party, that was Romney.

HW is my real case for your pretend one. He was a huge reason why I left the Republican Party circa 1990 and voted for Perot in 1992. He showed me how conservative the Republicans are not. You pretend to have left the Republican party. You first said it was over 2000 when you left because the SCOTUS stopped Gore from stealing the election, then Romney because you're deranged over Mormons. But you were never actually a Republican.

 

[jillian]

I think McCain was a military hero. But wow, what a complete douche of a human being as a Senator. What say you?

McCain was a patriot even when I didn’t agree with him. The only think he did that hurt this country was pick palin as a running mate.

You can disagree with someone and know that they did what they thought was best.

Unlike the trumpscum who hate this country.

 

[JoeB131]

If you wrote more adult posts like this, you'd get more adult responses.

Seriously, I'm a mirror.

Um, no, guy, you aren't. YOu are the one who obsesses about my work history and personal life.

I have discussions with serious posters and banter with the others. If you don't like what you're getting back from me, it tells you what you're giving.

Bullshit. YOu repeat whatever shit you hear on Hate Radio like it's an original idea, just like every other wingnut here.

On your point, it comes down to our political ideologies. Government functioning is going to give us more government. Government only grows, it never shrinks. We obviously agree on that since you want more government and I don't. So you want it to function and I don't. For me, the more dysfunctional the better

I have no problem dismantling government agencies that no longer serve a function. that's really not what we are discussing here.

I favor universal health care because I've had the bad luck of having to fight with a big insurance company after they had my money. Not because I want to see 'more government' but because the system we currently have of guys getting nine-figure salaries to deny people coverage is just plain fucking wrong.

I favor sensible gun control because I am sick and fucking tired of turning on the news and finding out some other emotionally disturbed kid shot up a bunch of his classmates because guns are too easy to get in this country.

You see, the thing was, when Reagan was president, the GOP didn't stand for this Libertarian horseshit of "gummit bad". Or, you can pick out a few speeches where St. Ronnie did a sop to these people. But for the most part, they supported sensible, efficient government that got the job done.

Today the GOP is about one issue, playing on the sexual, racial and religious fears of white people. It doesn't stand for anything more than that now. Now while you could argue that this started as far back as Nixon, at least back then, Nixon saw a need for government to look out for people. He started OSHA and the EPA because left to their own devices, big business would just endanger the rest of us for a profit.

 

[edward37]

And you say I don't really want to have a conversation?

Well, obviously, you don't since you want to claim things i didn't say... but never mind...

when you develop the reading comprehension skills to address what I actually say, and then have someone explain the big words to you, let me know.

Dumb ass believes that if you didn’t vote for Hillary you were a Trump supporter because to him there was only one choice. He is stuck in the old two party system, amazing how the rest of the world has moved on from the two party system, yet in America big business still has the masses fooled.

I'm a pragmatist. There were only two choices. Only one of two people were going to be president in 2016. The Electoral College you Trump Cultists praised has effectively locked us into a two party system. Theres' simply no way that a third party can evolve.

Let's look at the recent third parties-

Gary Johnson- Dope Smoking Nut
Jill Stein - Nut.
Ralph Nader - Nut
Pat Buchanan - Nazi and Nut
Ross Perot - Nut

see a pattern here, buddy?

I only voted for two of those. Even your descriptions of them are better though than the reality of what the two parties keep giving us though

I voted for Johnson, but I regret it.

I would very much vote for Trump if I had a do-over.

but you're voting dem in nov?

Huh?

That was meant for Un