What does "Fascism" mean to you?

What does "Fascism" mean to you?

  • Right Wing politics

    Votes: 17 41.5%
  • Left Wing Politics

    Votes: 18 43.9%
  • Government Control

    Votes: 24 58.5%
  • Individual Liberty

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • My head hurts, don't ask me to think

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    41
Fascism is also when the government is in bed with the private sector. It's a way of appeasing or serving the interests of the working class without allowing them to dethrone their masters. Who are the masters? Adam Smith, the father of capitalism tells us:

" What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (to form labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor. It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily; (the masters "combine" or form their own "unions" in the form of chambers of commerce, industry associations, super-PACs, non-profit front-organizations/NGOs, armies of lobbyists, think tanks..etc) and the law, besides, authorizes, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen. " (Wealth Of Nations, Book I, Chapter VIII)

Emphasis Mine

Adam Smith recognized that the wealthy capitalist-employer class, the ones who own the means of production and hire labor, paying out wages, are the masters of a capitalist-run society. When there's serious social unrest or revolutionary elements are brewing amongst the working class, organizing strikes and protests, propagating ideas about taking the means of production by force and political control, the well-financed, usually better educated capitalist aristocracy (the masters), will stage their own coup and revolution.

The masters will install a nationalist dictator that serves their vested interests, while also satisfying most of the demands of the working class, meeting their needs. Hitler used "National Socialism" to placate the masses while allowing the masters to remain in power under his protection. That's fascism. The government protects the wealthy ruling elites from the working class, with their "silly ideas" about democracy ("people's rule") and all of that "BS". The rich orchestrate a right-wing nationalist, "populist" coup (they pretend to be populists, pro-working class), taking over the government either by force or by an election, and that's the end of the genuine socialist, people's uprising. That's essentially fascism.

Fascism has nothing to do with conservative family values or being against willy-nilly abortions of convenience, child puberty blockers or public trans-bathrooms, or denying that there are more than two genders..etc. That's just a bunch of post-modernist, liberal gobbledygook. Fascism is more about economics and protecting the big-money capitalists from a pissed-off and frustrated working class (stopping the pitchforks from coming out).
Fascism in bed with the private sector?

So, as corporations go woke and join this ridiculous ESG program as they jump in bed with the Left by doing so, we can safely label the Left and DNC as fascists?

Thanks for that.
 
It's hilarious watching maga fuckups trying to co-op the term fascist to a left-wing political ideology. Especially since it involves these two original right-wing fuckups.

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I'm not sure what drugs you are taking, but you either need more of them or stop the ones you are taking altogether.

Marxism has murdered far more people last century than any ideology, not even close.

Joe Stalin murdered millions more than Hitler even. Did I mention both Hitler and Joe Stalin teamed up against Poland?

Yet you don't see it.

Why?

I do see it. I know the reality. But the question from the OP was if Fascism was Right wing or not. My answer was yes. Sort of.

That answer doesn’t mean I approve of or like the Communists. I really do not. I joined the Army when the Soviets were the expected enemy. When any day we assumed we could see the Russians swarming over the Fulda Gap to conquer the West. We shot Stormin Ivan targets at more than one range. These were plastic colored to look like a Russian Soldier.

Hell I’m one of the voices demanding support for Ukraine in their fight against Russia today. So my support for any totalitarian regime is zero.

Fascism is undergoing a redefining period by people trying to convince the public that the Right Wing can’t possibly go Fascist. The idea is if we claim that Fascists were Socialist, and this left wing, we can safely trust the RW to go Totalitarian without fear of fascism.
 
Labels mean nothing, actions mean everything. Dems are corrupt, lie, cheat, steal, pretty much break all 10 of the commandments. If you want to label their actions you are going to need a whole new label for that.

Facts mean NOTHING to you at all.

Republicans are the ones being arrested for lying , cheating and stealing. Donald Trump has been convicted of fraud in multiple jurisdictions, and was in the middle of a fraud trial when he was elected President.

When you persist in election known criminals, don't be surpised if they continue committing crimes after you elect them.

And stop blaming Democrats because you're electing crooks.
 
Fascism is also when the government is in bed with the private sector. It's a way of appeasing or serving the interests of the working class without allowing them to dethrone their masters. Who are the masters? Adam Smith, the father of capitalism tells us:

" What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (to form labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor. It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily; (the masters "combine" or form their own "unions" in the form of chambers of commerce, industry associations, super-PACs, non-profit front-organizations/NGOs, armies of lobbyists, think tanks..etc) and the law, besides, authorizes, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen. " (Wealth Of Nations, Book I, Chapter VIII)

Emphasis Mine

Adam Smith recognized that the wealthy capitalist-employer class, the ones who own the means of production and hire labor, paying out wages, are the masters of a capitalist-run society. When there's serious social unrest or revolutionary elements are brewing amongst the working class, organizing strikes and protests, propagating ideas about taking the means of production by force and political control, the well-financed, usually better educated capitalist aristocracy (the masters), will stage their own coup and revolution.

The masters will install a nationalist dictator that serves their vested interests, while also satisfying most of the demands of the working class, meeting their needs. Hitler used "National Socialism" to placate the masses while allowing the masters to remain in power under his protection. That's fascism. The government protects the wealthy ruling elites from the working class, with their "silly ideas" about democracy ("people's rule") and all of that "BS". The rich orchestrate a right-wing nationalist, "populist" coup (they pretend to be populists, pro-working class), taking over the government either by force or by an election, and that's the end of the genuine socialist, people's uprising. That's essentially fascism.

Fascism has nothing to do with conservative family values or being against willy-nilly abortions of convenience, child puberty blockers or public trans-bathrooms, or denying that there are more than two genders..etc. That's just a bunch of post-modernist, liberal gobbledygook. Fascism is more about economics and protecting the big-money capitalists from a pissed-off and frustrated working class (stopping the pitchforks from coming out).
You are wrong in viewing fascism as an economic system. It isn't. The economic system for fascism is whatever is necessary to serve the function of the state because fascism is ultra nationalist.

If socializing an industry is good for the state, fascism does that. Italy did in many instances.
If maintaining private industry is good for the state, fascism does that. As long as the private industry is devoted to the goals of the state, they prosper.
 
What Fascism is, is socialism hiding behind a thin veneer of capitalism. What It's not is everything a lefty loon disagrees with.

One thing I have notice is that every time a failed flavor of socialism dies the loons will say that's not real socialism or try to rewrite history like they have for the fascist regimes. That's why the uneducated think that fascism is/was right wing.
it "failed" because Hitler ousted it before it had a chance to go anywhere. Strasserism was the actual socialist movement within the nazis, but only existed during the years while the nazis were gaining power. Additionally, with Hitler's disdain for communism, it should be obvious to who knows history that there wasnt the slightest bit of left-wing anything in Hitler and his nazi regime while in power.
 
You are wrong in viewing fascism as an economic system. It isn't. The economic system for fascism is whatever is necessary to serve the function of the state because fascism is ultra nationalist.

If socializing an industry is good for the state, fascism does that. Italy did in many instances.
If maintaining private industry is good for the state, fascism does that. As long as the private industry is devoted to the goals of the state, they prosper.
Hitler was well-funded by capitalist imperialists, who saw him and his form of nationalism as a means to protect themselves against Marxism. The ruling elite fear nothing more than Marxism, or a marketless, non-profit, centrally planned, and democratized economy in the hands of the public. Western capitalist elites convinced Hitler to invade the Soviets with four million troops. They filled his head with fantasies of extending Germany into what was then Soviet Russia.
 
I do see it. I know the reality. But the question from the OP was if Fascism was Right wing or not. My answer was yes. Sort of.

That answer doesn’t mean I approve of or like the Communists. I really do not. I joined the Army when the Soviets were the expected enemy. When any day we assumed we could see the Russians swarming over the Fulda Gap to conquer the West. We shot Stormin Ivan targets at more than one range. These were plastic colored to look like a Russian Soldier.

Hell I’m one of the voices demanding support for Ukraine in their fight against Russia today. So my support for any totalitarian regime is zero.

Fascism is undergoing a redefining period by people trying to convince the public that the Right Wing can’t possibly go Fascist. The idea is if we claim that Fascists were Socialist, and this left wing, we can safely trust the RW to go Totalitarian without fear of fascism.
Nice try but there really isn’t confusing about identifying fascism.
”Fascists” create their own citizenship status like DACA
Fascists use government agencies to persecute political opponents
Fascists champion the suppression of free speech
Fascists collude with a complicit media / social media to win elections and push narratives
Fascists force people to take medicine they don’t want to take
Fascists force people to wear face diapers they don’t want to wear
Fascists forbid people from earning a living and pursuing happiness
Fascists force people to stay in their homes
Fascists oppose the peoples rights granted by our founders
Fascists change voting guidelines in the 11th hour outside of state legislatures and under the guise of ‘national emergency’.

Are you Libs sure you know what fascism is?

Are you sure you thought your post through before typing it?
 
Fascism in bed with the private sector?

So, as corporations go woke and join this ridiculous ESG program as they jump in bed with the Left by doing so, we can safely label the Left and DNC as fascists?

Thanks for that.

Fascism is just nationalism... Racist, aggressive and authoritarian..
 
Who told you this foolishness?
All good real core Americans are nationalists.
Nothing wrong with being a little bit of a nationalist.

If you take it to an extreme, you get fascism.

Dems are called globalists all the time. That’s completely incompatible with fascism
 
Right is freedom, left is tyranny.
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Wrong.

There are multiple problems with the graph. I mean too many to mention. Placing fascism and Communism on the same side of the spectrum is ludicrous as they are polar opposites: Fascism is nationalistic and corporatist; and communism is worldwide and statist, for starters. Your graph also makes the assumption that the end goal of right-wing government is no government. Rightest believe in strong government. The difference between left and right is the use and ends of governmental power. Rightest believe in economic freedom not necessarily personal freedom. Look at their position on the abortion issue and the role of religion in government. The graph then shows that the right-wing extreme is "no government" or "anarchy." But do you know what that is the end goal of Marxism is? Under Marxist theory, Marxism is to lead to a classless society where the state is dissolved, i.e. no government. Under your graph that would make them right-wing.

These are just the tip of the iceberg as to what is wrong with the graph.
 
Wrong.

There are multiple problems with the graph. I mean too many to mention. Placing fascism and Communism on the same side of the spectrum is ludicrous as they are polar opposites: Fascism is nationalistic and corporatist; and communism is worldwide and statist, for starters. Your graph also makes the assumption that the end goal of right-wing government is no government. Rightest believe in strong government. The difference between left and right is the use and ends of governmental power. Rightest believe in economic freedom not necessarily personal freedom. Look at their position on the abortion issue and the role of religion in government. The graph then shows that the right-wing extreme is "no government" or "anarchy." But do you know what that is the end goal of Marxism is? Under Marxist theory, Marxism is to lead to a classless society where the state is dissolved, i.e. no government. Under your graph that would make them right-wing.

These are just the tip of the iceberg as to what is wrong with the graph.
They are both totalitarian. Thats why they are both on the same end. Communism is the dissolvement of the state but that has never happened and never will. And they use totalitarianism to get to where they want to get.
You are basing the graph off of republicans? :lol: Republicans arent righties. Look at what they support. Massive debt and deficits, big govt, welfare(in the forms they approve of) assaults on the second, racist monetary policies etc.
Left is tyranny. Right is freedom.
 

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