What Does the Confederate Flag Mean To You ?

[Flash Farley]

'More than just one of many reasons' is quite the ambiguous phrase. And why does Mr Stephens opinion count for more than the opinions of others who disagree with him? Did he fight in the war? Oh, no, looky here, he was a rich man who served as VP during the war.

Farming men, the majority of Southern soldiers by quite a bit, don't fight through the horrors of war to enable rich fucks to own slaves that drive him into the ground with zero labor costs.

You have bought into some pretty stupid shit and you would realize it if you would just stop and think about it.

But I wont hold my breath.

The entire economy of the South was based on slavery. The idea that non-slave owning whites had nothing at stake in slavery is utterly false, and the idea that slave ownership was restricted to the wealthy is also false.

The idea that the majority of white people in the south supported slavery is also false.

Do you have any evidence that the majority of the people in the south were opposed to slavery?

'More than just one of many reasons' is quite the ambiguous phrase. And why does Mr Stephens opinion count for more than the opinions of others who disagree with him? Did he fight in the war? Oh, no, looky here, he was a rich man who served as VP during the war.

Farming men, the majority of Southern soldiers by quite a bit, don't fight through the horrors of war to enable rich fucks to own slaves that drive him into the ground with zero labor costs.

You have bought into some pretty stupid shit and you would realize it if you would just stop and think about it.

But I wont hold my breath.

The entire economy of the South was based on slavery. The idea that non-slave owning whites had nothing at stake in slavery is utterly false, and the idea that slave ownership was restricted to the wealthy is also false.

The idea that the majority of white people in the south supported slavery is also false.

Do you have any evidence that the majority of the people in the south were opposed to slavery?

Abolitionist movement.

And the abolitionist movement involved the majority of southerners?????

Sure. Do you have any evidence it didn't? I can play that game.

 

[Camp]

To me it represents the handkerchief I have used for special occasions when I attend public events for the last 30 years. Now granted, some times I only carried it once or twice a year and that has given it an exceptionally long life for a snot rag.

 

[Flash Farley]

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What Does the Confederate Flag Mean To You ? To me, it means a few things.

1. The flag of the nation that was the 11 states of the south during the civil war, and yes, it did represent slavery. And no, that's not a good thing. Of course not.

2. It represents a tribute and honoring of the Million + men who fought for the South with courage and heroism, regardless of the cause. Same as I say I honor the troops who fought in Vietnam, even though I totally disagreed with the politics of it.

3. It represents the cultural heritage of at least 11 states of the USA, and about 90 Million people living in those states.

4. It represents yet another tool the bossy, pushy, race hustler crowd is using, to transform American society into something of THEIR own design, while these control freaks go trampling on everything and anything standing in their way, no matter whether right or wrong.

The majority of white southerners didn't own slaves. But stay stuck on stupid.

 

[Nosmo King]

“Our new government is founded… upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth…”

Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederate States of America.

A noble cause deserving respect and celebration? Hardly.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Slavery wasn't the reason the civil war was fought,it was part,but a small one.

It was the main reason. Look at the Confederate Constitution and read the Cornerstone Speech by Alexander Stephens.

It was listed as one cause among many.

For fuck's sake, do you really think that the Confederates that sat out the freezing winters at Cold Harbor, starving and missing their homes were there solely because they had to protect the rich mans right to own slaves that drove that same poor farmers dad and family into subsistence farming?

If so then you are a drooling idiot.

Please look at the post above, and see what Alexander Stephens had to say on the matter. It is evident that it was more than just one of many reasons.

'More than just one of many reasons' is quite the ambiguous phrase. And why does Mr Stephens opinion count for more than the opinions of others who disagree with him? Did he fight in the war? Oh, no, looky here, he was a rich man who served as VP during the war.

Farming men, the majority of Southern soldiers by quite a bit, don't fight through the horrors of war to enable rich fucks to own slaves that drive him into the ground with zero labor costs.

You have bought into some pretty stupid shit and you would realize it if you would just stop and think about it.

But I wont hold my breath.

The entire economy of the South was based on slavery. The idea that non-slave owning whites had nothing at stake in slavery is utterly false, and the idea that slave ownership was restricted to the wealthy is also false.

No the entire economy of the South was NOT based on slavery,, only the cash economy was. Most Southerners were subsistence farmers and sold some crops for store cash, and that is it. They were the majority of the white participants in the economy and no, they did not and could not own slaves.

You go from one piece of ridiculous bullshit to the next one. Does it tire you at all, or is lying just so reflexive you don't even realize you are doing it any more?

 

[Liminal]

People who don't bother to know any history are prone to over generalize and stereotype. Slave ownership varied greatly from state to state, so the motivations of individuals are hard to characterize . Here's how it breaks down.
1860 Census Results

 

[JimBowie1958]

No circular logic. Your assertion that the men fought under the CBF for the right of rich men to own slaves and drive them all into the poor house is absurd on its face.

Yet you have the Vice President unequivocally stating the right to own slaves and their natural inferiority is the basis of the new government.

I can't see how you find any ambiguity in his statement.

That was one rich mans opinion, and nothing more.

And 'More than just one of many reasons' is pretty ambiguous as it fits with one of tow or one of a million.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Slavery wasn't the reason the civil war was fought,it was part,but a small one.

It was the main reason. Look at the Confederate Constitution and read the Cornerstone Speech by Alexander Stephens.

It was listed as one cause among many.

For fuck's sake, do you really think that the Confederates that sat out the freezing winters at Cold Harbor, starving and missing their homes were there solely because they had to protect the rich mans right to own slaves that drove that same poor farmers dad and family into subsistence farming?

If so then you are a drooling idiot.

Please look at the post above, and see what Alexander Stephens had to say on the matter. It is evident that it was more than just one of many reasons.

'More than just one of many reasons' is quite the ambiguous phrase. And why does Mr Stephens opinion count for more than the opinions of others who disagree with him? Did he fight in the war? Oh, no, looky here, he was a rich man who served as VP during the war.

Farming men, the majority of Southern soldiers by quite a bit, don't fight through the horrors of war to enable rich fucks to own slaves that drive him into the ground with zero labor costs.

You have bought into some pretty stupid shit and you would realize it if you would just stop and think about it.

But I wont hold my breath.

I think the man who was elected to the Confederate Congress and served as Vice President of the Confederacy would be a pretty solid authority of why those states seceded.

But if you have evidence to the contrary, other than your claim that most southerners wouldn't "...fight through the horrors of war to enable rich fucks to own slaves..." feel free to post it.

The average man may not have had a choice. If you didn't fight you were hung. Those rules were not made by popular vote, but by the people in charge.

How about Robert E Lee? He definitely fought and suffered with his men in the war. He had this to say about slavery:

"In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge that slavery as an institution, is a moral and political evil in any country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, and while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their instruction as a race, and I hope will prepare and lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known and ordered by a wise, merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influence of Christianity, than the storms and tempests of fiery Controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small part of the human race, and even among Christian nations, what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and we give it the aid of our prayers and all justifiable means in our power, we must leave the progress as well as the results in His hands who sees the end; who chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, and must see that he has neither the right or power of operating except by moral means and suasion, and if he means well to the slave, he must not create angry feelings in the Master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which it pleases Providence to accomplish its purposes, the result will nevertheless be the same; that the reason he gives for interference in what he has no concern, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbors when we disapprove their conduct; Still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. Is it not strange that the descendants of those pilgrim fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom of opinion, have always proved themselves intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?

– John Perry, Lee: A Life of Virtue, pp 107-109"

 

[JimBowie1958]

People who don't bother to know any history are prone to over generalize and stereotype. Slave ownership varied greatly from state to state, so the motivations of individuals are hard to characterize . Here's how it breaks down.
1860 Census Results

And not all the South wanted to leave the Union either. If you look at a county map of the Souths votes for secession you see many large areas that did not want to leave the Union and voted no. And yet they all contributed troops to fight the northern invasion.

So that must prove it was all about slavery...in a pig's eye.

 

[Flash Farley]

This is nothing more than a leftist attack on the south to portray whites as racist.

 

[Liminal]

Interesting to note that the Union State of Kentucky had a higher percentage of slave owning families than Arkansas, a Confederate State.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Interesting to note that the Union State of Kentucky had a higher percentage of slave owning families than Arkansas, a Confederate State.

And that US Grant himself owned a couple of slaves that served him as servants throughout the war.

 

[Synthaholic]

What Does the Confederate Flag Mean To You ? To me, it means a few things.

1. The flag of the nation that was the 11 states of the south during the civil war, and yes, it did represent slavery. And no, that's not a good thing. Of course not.

2. It represents a tribute and honoring of the Million + men who fought for the South with courage and heroism, regardless of the cause. Same as I say I honor the troops who fought in Vietnam, even though I totally disagreed with the politics of it.

3. It represents the cultural heritage of at least 11 states of the USA, and about 90 Million people living in those states.

4. It represents yet another tool the bossy, pushy, race hustler crowd is using, to transform American society into something of THEIR own design, while these control freaks go trampling on everything and anything standing in their way, no matter whether right or wrong.

The majority of white southerners didn't own slaves. But stay stuck on stupid.

But the majority of White Southerners decided, with sound mind and body, to commit treason against their country.

 

[Liminal]

People who don't bother to know any history are prone to over generalize and stereotype. Slave ownership varied greatly from state to state, so the motivations of individuals are hard to characterize . Here's how it breaks down.
1860 Census Results

And not all the South wanted to leave the Union either. If you look at a county map of the Souths votes for secession you see many large areas that did not want to leave the Union and voted no. And yet they all contributed troops to fight the northern invasion.

So that must prove it was all about slavery...in a pig's eye.

That's how West Virginia was born. If other Confederate states had based secession on county referendums the way Virginia did, there would have been many new states. Tennessee would have split for sure.

 

[Flash Farley]

The left has done their job of taking a tragedy committed by an insane person and using it for political purposes. Shameful.

 

[Liminal]

Interesting to note that the Union State of Kentucky had a higher percentage of slave owning families than Arkansas, a Confederate State.

And that US Grant himself owned a couple of slaves that served him as servants throughout the war.

Missouri and other Union border states continued to have legal slave ownership for most of the Civil War. Delaware didn't end slavery until 1865.

 

[Liminal]

The left has done their job of taking a tragedy committed by an insane person and using it for political purposes. Shameful.

It's a symbolic victory for superficial dilettantes, they can congratulate themselves while avoiding dealing directly with the causes and problems of racism in this country.

 

[cnm]

We know them as "democrats".

I think they used to be. Seems mainly to be Republicans now in the old Confederacy. Might have been that Southern Strategy that did it.

 

[cnm]

Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influence of Christianity, than the storms and tempests of fiery Controversy.

A lot he knew.