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there is no nation that is a pure Democracy, that I am aware of...USA is a democracy governed by anti-democratic institutions. thats why there'll NEVER be gun control
I realize you are just a troll, but the USA is a Constitutional Republic, it is NOT nor has it EVER BEEN a democracy.
In a democracy, 50.000001% could vote to kill the other 49.99999%
Mob rule.
get off your holier than thou self-built pedestal your ranting about irrelevant shit hypocriteThere is no prime example of anything. You are ranting about things that aren’t even said. You’re trying to define my inner convictions which you have no way of knowing. This makes you sound like a fool. Learn how to properly debate subjects without the assumptive dishonesty.You sound like a child what is wrong with you? PRIME EXAMPLE THAT LEFTIST DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT RIGHTS FREEDOM OR LIBERTYYou sound like a child arguing about who cares more about what... grow up and talk about something of substance. Bring some ideas to the table on how to make things better instead of perpetuating the partisan problems that the OP addresses.You didn't mention your rights, therefore, your cover is blownI see that's what you care about? Well, son, you're so self-involved that you forgot about the most important thing your rights.
Leftist be gone.
now you are getting desperate. I spent 20 years of my life defending your rights as well as mine.
Try again.
or you can just surrender now and save yourself some future embarrassment.
My rights are the most important thing to me anyone that cares about this country will say rights are the most important because without your rights you are a subject and everything else is irrelevant unless your master allows you to have them.
They want big daddy government to tell them what to do with the hope big daddy government will reward them for behaving.
Fuck you that's how I talk. Without your rights, you might be allowed to breathe and sleep if your master allows it.You sound like a child what is wrong with you? PRIME EXAMPLE THAT LEFTIST DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT RIGHTS FREEDOM OR LIBERTYYou sound like a child arguing about who cares more about what... grow up and talk about something of substance. Bring some ideas to the table on how to make things better instead of perpetuating the partisan problems that the OP addresses.You didn't mention your rights, therefore, your cover is blownI see that's what you care about? Well, son, you're so self-involved that you forgot about the most important thing your rights.
Leftist be gone.
now you are getting desperate. I spent 20 years of my life defending your rights as well as mine.
Try again.
or you can just surrender now and save yourself some future embarrassment.
My rights are the most important thing to me anyone that cares about this country will say rights are the most important because without your rights you are a subject and everything else is irrelevant unless your master allows you to have them.
They want big daddy government to tell them what to do with the hope big daddy government will reward them for behaving.
Some things just go without saying. Fuck, I didn't say that I care about breathing or sleeping and yet those are sort of important also. (especially to a guy with COPD).
you are just trying too hard here and making yourself look foolish. But I get it, you have not a single leftist position I hold on this forum so this was your way out. As I said, just surrender now, it will save you much pain later.
Agreed... this board is an example of how social media draws out the extremes. Trolls dominate most of these threads and people hide behind their computers to emote instead of engage in honest debate. There are a few diamonds in the rough out there trying to keep it real.It's definitely easier to communicate in real life. You can look people in the eye and they know when you're not buying their talking points.I think the problem can be summed up in one word... media.At some point, these people became convinced that there can only be two ways to approach a problem: Either 100% your way or 100% my way. There can be no dividing of those numbers, and it doesn't even occur to them that another option might be "something all new that works for both of us". AND it doesn't occur to them that maybe this time you'll get things 75% your way and next time I'll get things 75% my way.Every issue has a fair middle ground if you are debating a fair and honest person. You defining the “Left” as these partisan absolutists is part of the problem. It leaves no room to acknowledging that there is a rational “middle” who are part of the “Left”. When you engage with wingnuts hacks then you will get those arguments that you laid out but that is not an honest representation of the whole. I suggest you focus more on the middle and less on the wings
It's like trying to get through to children.
How did we get to this point?
.
News media, campaigning, and social media all polarize and feed off demonizing and drama. I talk to people from allsides of the ideological spectrum and in real life when I’m face to face I find most people very reasonable. The exception is when I find those who are drinking the media Koolaid and regurgitating the partisan talking points with open mouths, closed ears, and dormant brains
Here,so many seem to have this weird, phony online persona they want to maintain, so they're afraid to give an inch.
I've given up burning much time on them here. Real life is much easier.
.
Fuck you that's how I talk. Without your rights, you might be allowed to breathe and sleep if your master allows it.
keep dodgingFuck you that's how I talk. Without your rights, you might be allowed to breathe and sleep if your master allows it.
As I said, something go without saying.
You really are trying too damn hard, just move on. You lost this round.
Trigger me? No, I’d have to take you seriously to be triggered. I’m talking to you like I’d be talking to a grade schooler acting up on a playground. Both of your retorts have been poor attempts to use my arguments against me so you’re also showing that you can’t come up with an original thought. You’re out of your league here both with intelligent debate (which you haven’t even attempted) and with the trolling game which your poor attempts at have only made you look dumber.get off your holier than thou self-built pedestal your ranting about irrelevant shit hypocriteThere is no prime example of anything. You are ranting about things that aren’t even said. You’re trying to define my inner convictions which you have no way of knowing. This makes you sound like a fool. Learn how to properly debate subjects without the assumptive dishonesty.You sound like a child what is wrong with you? PRIME EXAMPLE THAT LEFTIST DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT RIGHTS FREEDOM OR LIBERTYYou sound like a child arguing about who cares more about what... grow up and talk about something of substance. Bring some ideas to the table on how to make things better instead of perpetuating the partisan problems that the OP addresses.You didn't mention your rights, therefore, your cover is blownnow you are getting desperate. I spent 20 years of my life defending your rights as well as mine.
Try again.
or you can just surrender now and save yourself some future embarrassment.
My rights are the most important thing to me anyone that cares about this country will say rights are the most important because without your rights you are a subject and everything else is irrelevant unless your master allows you to have them.
They want big daddy government to tell them what to do with the hope big daddy government will reward them for behaving.
Did I just trigger you? yes, I believe I did.
Agreed... this board is an example of how social media draws out the extremes. Trolls dominate most of these threads and people hide behind their computers to emote instead of engage in honest debate. There are a few diamonds in the rough out there trying to keep it real.It's definitely easier to communicate in real life. You can look people in the eye and they know when you're not buying their talking points.I think the problem can be summed up in one word... media.At some point, these people became convinced that there can only be two ways to approach a problem: Either 100% your way or 100% my way. There can be no dividing of those numbers, and it doesn't even occur to them that another option might be "something all new that works for both of us". AND it doesn't occur to them that maybe this time you'll get things 75% your way and next time I'll get things 75% my way.Every issue has a fair middle ground if you are debating a fair and honest person. You defining the “Left” as these partisan absolutists is part of the problem. It leaves no room to acknowledging that there is a rational “middle” who are part of the “Left”. When you engage with wingnuts hacks then you will get those arguments that you laid out but that is not an honest representation of the whole. I suggest you focus more on the middle and less on the wings
It's like trying to get through to children.
How did we get to this point?
.
News media, campaigning, and social media all polarize and feed off demonizing and drama. I talk to people from allsides of the ideological spectrum and in real life when I’m face to face I find most people very reasonable. The exception is when I find those who are drinking the media Koolaid and regurgitating the partisan talking points with open mouths, closed ears, and dormant brains
Here,so many seem to have this weird, phony online persona they want to maintain, so they're afraid to give an inch.
I've given up burning much time on them here. Real life is much easier.
.
All of boards such as this are dominated by the wingers, it is the nature. This is actually one of the most balanced I have found, the split of 75/25 is pretty good for these types of boards. Normally the "winning" side drives away anyone that does not toe the line. I was banned from a site for not agreeing with Barr's nomination...and my problem is that has too much of an Establishment guy.
So if I am left of you that would make you a alt right wingerAgreed... this board is an example of how social media draws out the extremes. Trolls dominate most of these threads and people hide behind their computers to emote instead of engage in honest debate. There are a few diamonds in the rough out there trying to keep it real.It's definitely easier to communicate in real life. You can look people in the eye and they know when you're not buying their talking points.I think the problem can be summed up in one word... media.At some point, these people became convinced that there can only be two ways to approach a problem: Either 100% your way or 100% my way. There can be no dividing of those numbers, and it doesn't even occur to them that another option might be "something all new that works for both of us". AND it doesn't occur to them that maybe this time you'll get things 75% your way and next time I'll get things 75% my way.Every issue has a fair middle ground if you are debating a fair and honest person. You defining the “Left” as these partisan absolutists is part of the problem. It leaves no room to acknowledging that there is a rational “middle” who are part of the “Left”. When you engage with wingnuts hacks then you will get those arguments that you laid out but that is not an honest representation of the whole. I suggest you focus more on the middle and less on the wings
It's like trying to get through to children.
How did we get to this point?
.
News media, campaigning, and social media all polarize and feed off demonizing and drama. I talk to people from allsides of the ideological spectrum and in real life when I’m face to face I find most people very reasonable. The exception is when I find those who are drinking the media Koolaid and regurgitating the partisan talking points with open mouths, closed ears, and dormant brains
Here,so many seem to have this weird, phony online persona they want to maintain, so they're afraid to give an inch.
I've given up burning much time on them here. Real life is much easier.
.
All of boards such as this are dominated by the wingers, it is the nature. This is actually one of the most balanced I have found, the split of 75/25 is pretty good for these types of boards. Normally the "winning" side drives away anyone that does not toe the line. I was banned from a site for not agreeing with Barr's nomination...and my problem is that has too much of an Establishment guy.
yes triggered. it was enough to get you to jump up on your holier than thou hypocritical pedestalTrigger me? No, I’d have to take you seriously to be triggered. I’m talking to you like I’d be talking to a grade schooler acting up on a playground. Both of your retorts have been poor attempts to use my arguments against me so you’re also showing that you can’t come up with an original thought. You’re out of your league here both with intelligent debate (which you haven’t even attempted) and with the trolling game which your poor attempts at have only made you look dumber.get off your holier than thou self-built pedestal your ranting about irrelevant shit hypocriteThere is no prime example of anything. You are ranting about things that aren’t even said. You’re trying to define my inner convictions which you have no way of knowing. This makes you sound like a fool. Learn how to properly debate subjects without the assumptive dishonesty.You sound like a child what is wrong with you? PRIME EXAMPLE THAT LEFTIST DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT RIGHTS FREEDOM OR LIBERTYYou sound like a child arguing about who cares more about what... grow up and talk about something of substance. Bring some ideas to the table on how to make things better instead of perpetuating the partisan problems that the OP addresses.You didn't mention your rights, therefore, your cover is blown
My rights are the most important thing to me anyone that cares about this country will say rights are the most important because without your rights you are a subject and everything else is irrelevant unless your master allows you to have them.
They want big daddy government to tell them what to do with the hope big daddy government will reward them for behaving.
Did I just trigger you? yes, I believe I did.
Now before you knee jerk by calling me a triggered troll. Try thinking up a smart argument of substance in regards to causes and solutions to the partisan divide in this country and let’s see if you can hang in a real debate that has to do with the OP.
keep dodgingFuck you that's how I talk. Without your rights, you might be allowed to breathe and sleep if your master allows it.
As I said, something go without saying.
You really are trying too damn hard, just move on. You lost this round.
Just calling it like I see it. You are avoiding starting a real debate and staying on this “triggered” thing just like I said you would. Is that because you’ve got nothing of substance to bring to the table?yes triggered. it was enough to get you to jump up on your holier than thou hypocritical pedestalTrigger me? No, I’d have to take you seriously to be triggered. I’m talking to you like I’d be talking to a grade schooler acting up on a playground. Both of your retorts have been poor attempts to use my arguments against me so you’re also showing that you can’t come up with an original thought. You’re out of your league here both with intelligent debate (which you haven’t even attempted) and with the trolling game which your poor attempts at have only made you look dumber.get off your holier than thou self-built pedestal your ranting about irrelevant shit hypocriteThere is no prime example of anything. You are ranting about things that aren’t even said. You’re trying to define my inner convictions which you have no way of knowing. This makes you sound like a fool. Learn how to properly debate subjects without the assumptive dishonesty.You sound like a child what is wrong with you? PRIME EXAMPLE THAT LEFTIST DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT RIGHTS FREEDOM OR LIBERTYYou sound like a child arguing about who cares more about what... grow up and talk about something of substance. Bring some ideas to the table on how to make things better instead of perpetuating the partisan problems that the OP addresses.
They want big daddy government to tell them what to do with the hope big daddy government will reward them for behaving.
Did I just trigger you? yes, I believe I did.
Now before you knee jerk by calling me a triggered troll. Try thinking up a smart argument of substance in regards to causes and solutions to the partisan divide in this country and let’s see if you can hang in a real debate that has to do with the OP.
Agreed... this board is an example of how social media draws out the extremes. Trolls dominate most of these threads and people hide behind their computers to emote instead of engage in honest debate. There are a few diamonds in the rough out there trying to keep it real.It's definitely easier to communicate in real life. You can look people in the eye and they know when you're not buying their talking points.I think the problem can be summed up in one word... media.At some point, these people became convinced that there can only be two ways to approach a problem: Either 100% your way or 100% my way. There can be no dividing of those numbers, and it doesn't even occur to them that another option might be "something all new that works for both of us". AND it doesn't occur to them that maybe this time you'll get things 75% your way and next time I'll get things 75% my way.
It's like trying to get through to children.
How did we get to this point?
.
News media, campaigning, and social media all polarize and feed off demonizing and drama. I talk to people from allsides of the ideological spectrum and in real life when I’m face to face I find most people very reasonable. The exception is when I find those who are drinking the media Koolaid and regurgitating the partisan talking points with open mouths, closed ears, and dormant brains
Here,so many seem to have this weird, phony online persona they want to maintain, so they're afraid to give an inch.
I've given up burning much time on them here. Real life is much easier.
.
All of boards such as this are dominated by the wingers, it is the nature. This is actually one of the most balanced I have found, the split of 75/25 is pretty good for these types of boards. Normally the "winning" side drives away anyone that does not toe the line. I was banned from a site for not agreeing with Barr's nomination...and my problem is that has too much of an Establishment guy.So if I am left of you that would make you a alt right wingerAgreed... this board is an example of how social media draws out the extremes. Trolls dominate most of these threads and people hide behind their computers to emote instead of engage in honest debate. There are a few diamonds in the rough out there trying to keep it real.It's definitely easier to communicate in real life. You can look people in the eye and they know when you're not buying their talking points.I think the problem can be summed up in one word... media.At some point, these people became convinced that there can only be two ways to approach a problem: Either 100% your way or 100% my way. There can be no dividing of those numbers, and it doesn't even occur to them that another option might be "something all new that works for both of us". AND it doesn't occur to them that maybe this time you'll get things 75% your way and next time I'll get things 75% my way.
It's like trying to get through to children.
How did we get to this point?
.
News media, campaigning, and social media all polarize and feed off demonizing and drama. I talk to people from allsides of the ideological spectrum and in real life when I’m face to face I find most people very reasonable. The exception is when I find those who are drinking the media Koolaid and regurgitating the partisan talking points with open mouths, closed ears, and dormant brains
Here,so many seem to have this weird, phony online persona they want to maintain, so they're afraid to give an inch.
I've given up burning much time on them here. Real life is much easier.
.
All of boards such as this are dominated by the wingers, it is the nature. This is actually one of the most balanced I have found, the split of 75/25 is pretty good for these types of boards. Normally the "winning" side drives away anyone that does not toe the line. I was banned from a site for not agreeing with Barr's nomination...and my problem is that has too much of an Establishment guy.
How about the way Cons frame things? If you disagree with Trump policies you hate America and display TDS.Ok, more and more I am noticing that every issue, has, at least in the minds of the Left, been framed as a matter of good vs evil, with no grounds for compromise or even discussion.
ANYTHING, even remotely touching on Race, and if you don't agree with them, you are a "racist", for one the biggest example.
Now they have decided that any form of Nationalism, is akin go Nazism, based on I'm not sure what, so if you are too nationalistic, you are a "nazi" or something.
My question here is twofold,
1. A challenge to put forth any major issue that is still just a matter of policy, where reasonable people can reasonably disagree,
or
2. To discuss how each issue is framed so that we can discuss this problem. ie give one other issue, that you see libs frame this way, and how they frame it.
Any liberals that deny that this is a thing, are welcome to explain what you think I got wrong. Or to defend the idea of why, left vs right has broken down to Good vs Evil.
Ok, more and more I am noticing that every issue, has, at least in the minds of the Left, been framed as a matter of good vs evil, with no grounds for compromise or even discussion.
ANYTHING, even remotely touching on Race, and if you don't agree with them, you are a "racist", for one the biggest example.
Now they have decided that any form of Nationalism, is akin go Nazism, based on I'm not sure what, so if you are too nationalistic, you are a "nazi" or something.
My question here is twofold,
1. A challenge to put forth any major issue that is still just a matter of policy, where reasonable people can reasonably disagree,
or
2. To discuss how each issue is framed so that we can discuss this problem. ie give one other issue, that you see libs frame this way, and how they frame it.
Any liberals that deny that this is a thing, are welcome to explain what you think I got wrong. Or to defend the idea of why, left vs right has broken down to Good vs Evil.
I think it is funny that you claim this is only in the minds of the Left. You right wingers view the left wingers the exact same way. Every day, 100 times a day the rightwingers on here call the left wingers evil and all sorts of other things.
There is no difference between the wings, they are filled with irrational, mind controlled sheep.
1. Every issue is that way to the 30% or so of the country that is not blindly partisan. Reasonable people agree that a million abortions a year is too many and will work to lower the number, the wingers will say even one is too many or a million is not enough. There are 100s of examples like this.
A million abortions is not enough? Nobody says that, I'm kind of tired of the unsubstantiated "both siderism" claims.
Isn't that what is being said when people want totally unrestricted abortions on demand?
Ok, more and more I am noticing that every issue, has, at least in the minds of the Left, been framed as a matter of good vs evil, with no grounds for compromise or even discussion.
ANYTHING, even remotely touching on Race, and if you don't agree with them, you are a "racist", for one the biggest example.
Now they have decided that any form of Nationalism, is akin go Nazism, based on I'm not sure what, so if you are too nationalistic, you are a "nazi" or something.
My question here is twofold,
1. A challenge to put forth any major issue that is still just a matter of policy, where reasonable people can reasonably disagree,
or
2. To discuss how each issue is framed so that we can discuss this problem. ie give one other issue, that you see libs frame this way, and how they frame it.
Any liberals that deny that this is a thing, are welcome to explain what you think I got wrong. Or to defend the idea of why, left vs right has broken down to Good vs Evil.
I think it is funny that you claim this is only in the minds of the Left. You right wingers view the left wingers the exact same way. Every day, 100 times a day the rightwingers on here call the left wingers evil and all sorts of other things.
There is no difference between the wings, they are filled with irrational, mind controlled sheep.
1. Every issue is that way to the 30% or so of the country that is not blindly partisan. Reasonable people agree that a million abortions a year is too many and will work to lower the number, the wingers will say even one is too many or a million is not enough. There are 100s of examples like this.
I don't know how any conservative can complain about the Democrats not being willing to compromise, after watching the GOP attack any Republican who didn't toe the line as RINOs and commies and "deep state". What level of denial or intellectual myopia is required to miss this?Ok, more and more I am noticing that every issue, has, at least in the minds of the Left, been framed as a matter of good vs evil, with no grounds for compromise or even discussion.
ANYTHING, even remotely touching on Race, and if you don't agree with them, you are a "racist", for one the biggest example.
Now they have decided that any form of Nationalism, is akin go Nazism, based on I'm not sure what, so if you are too nationalistic, you are a "nazi" or something.
My question here is twofold,
1. A challenge to put forth any major issue that is still just a matter of policy, where reasonable people can reasonably disagree,
or
2. To discuss how each issue is framed so that we can discuss this problem. ie give one other issue, that you see libs frame this way, and how they frame it.
Any liberals that deny that this is a thing, are welcome to explain what you think I got wrong. Or to defend the idea of why, left vs right has broken down to Good vs Evil.
And with "more and more I am noticing that every issue, has, at least in the minds of the Left, been framed as a matter of good vs evil...", we see the same thing. For example: The leftists aren't political opponents they are mortal enemies...
How in the freaking world do partisans not see this? Is ideology really that blinding a condition? This is beyond amazing or incredible or astonishing. This is truly disturbing, and it's further proof that the ends of our political spectrum are killing us.
To the thread title's point about "compromise", this is yet another canard foisted by talk radio onto its listeners and swallowed like pablum. First of all, as insane as this may sound to people on the ends of the spectrum, "compromise" is not a bad thing. It's only a bad thing if you're paranoid that you won't have everything your way. Compromise does not equal capitulation.
Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, communication and collaboration by intelligent people can manifest innovation, the creation of something all new to which both parties have a vested interest in seeing succeed.
Gee, what would be an example? Hmmm, howzabout our Constitution?
I think this is all ego. Party over country. But it's reached fucking psychosis levels.
.
You have some hard core pro-lifers who speak as you suggest. But the majority of republicans are a lot more moderate on the issue, and are more than wiling to discuss moderation or limited restrictions on late term abortions.
It is the Left that as a bloc, pounces on any discussion of the issue, as being against a woman's rights to "control of her own body" or some such hard line position.
You are wrong. We were a Republic. Became a Democracy. And the inevitable tyranny laws were started and enacted after. We have some tatters of the original Republic as the amendment shave been watered down or used for political purposes. The most important check and balance is under attack after the last election. Removing Gold and Silver as currency backing and the 17th amendment were two of the most important decisions that turned us from a Republic to a Democracy. One party was under attack to be taken over by communist influence during the Depression. It was subdued a bit in the 1950's during controversial hearings. Then they took control of the party in the 1960's with the other party softening its views so much we have been moving left since then. We now vote where if one party wins, the whole narrative of a nation is changed near completely. With one party pushing to keep the nation moving left and the other struggling to slow it down and make some changes that keeps it party status alive. We let the media and entertainers control our opinions and they even incite violence now. There are people getting violent who do not even know the reason. We have people with parliamentary views. Only two parties to choose from with their views and one of the parties completely controlled by one of the factions of parliamentary views.there is no nation that is a pure Democracy, that I am aware of...USA is a democracy governed by anti-democratic institutions. thats why there'll NEVER be gun control
I realize you are just a troll, but the USA is a Constitutional Republic, it is NOT nor has it EVER BEEN a democracy.
In a democracy, 50.000001% could vote to kill the other 49.99999%
Mob rule.
we are a Democratic Republic.... a representative democracy
Canada is a Parliamentary system and a representative democracy, same with the UK...
So, I agree we are not a PURE Democracy, but we ARE a representative democracy
Ok, more and more I am noticing that every issue, has, at least in the minds of the Left, been framed as a matter of good vs evil, with no grounds for compromise or even discussion.
ANYTHING, even remotely touching on Race, and if you don't agree with them, you are a "racist", for one the biggest example.
Now they have decided that any form of Nationalism, is akin go Nazism, based on I'm not sure what, so if you are too nationalistic, you are a "nazi" or something.
My question here is twofold,
1. A challenge to put forth any major issue that is still just a matter of policy, where reasonable people can reasonably disagree,
or
2. To discuss how each issue is framed so that we can discuss this problem. ie give one other issue, that you see libs frame this way, and how they frame it.
Any liberals that deny that this is a thing, are welcome to explain what you think I got wrong. Or to defend the idea of why, left vs right has broken down to Good vs Evil.
