What Happened to Church?

[Taz]

the 4th century christian bible is a political agenda disguised as a religion patronizing 1st century events to advance its own agenda rather than the aspirations derived from that period, the christ being a primary example.


and has been used for that purpose from that time to the present encapsulated by congregational hegemony without cause ...

I can't decide if leftist religiophobes are just too stupid to understand the phrase "off-topic", or if they just think their calling to evangelize the world with the news that they hate God makes them above the rules.

I take that back. I can decide. Leftists are always too smugly sanctimonious to think that they're subject to the same restrictions as the peasantry.

Taz is a militant atheist. She condemns respect for people of faith and believes it is her mission to subordinate religion.

Taz is a bitter child who has spent her life acting out her rage at some disappointment she suffered in her past.

More insults, what a FUCKING SURPRISE!!!!!

Your righteous indignation would carry more weight if your mission wasn't to condemn respect for people of faith. It seems that you can dish it out but are not very good at taking what you dish out.

I never said that I cared about the insults. I'm just pointing out the Christians who insult me non-stop, like you.

 

[ding]

You need me to be like that in your mind, otherwise, you'll go completely over the edge. Hope you feel better soon.

Proof positive that most unbelievers really think they are gods. I doubt very much that, except to pray for you, most of us give you a thought when we step away from our computers, and certainly not enough to "go completely over the edge". However, YOU really, really need to think that you're chipping away at our beliefs.

You need us. You might think about exploring why that is.

Once you get to know dingbat, you'll see him for the fool he is. I came here looking for proof of god. So far nothing, just a lot of hot air, and surprisingly, a ton of insults constantly.

Perhaps if you started by being honest, you'd encounter fewer insults.

So it's ok for self-professed Christians to insult people at will? Is that your final answer?

At what point did anyone, let alone me, indicate that they were hungering for your judgement and advice on being a Christian?

I realize that would you prefer if all Christians adhered to the funhouse caricature people like you have of a bunch of pacifists who just mill around while you take potshots at them, because God knows, that's literally the only way you could ever win an argument.

Be that as it may, let me clarify: your approval or disapproval means less than nothing to me.

True. Being meek isn't what people think it is. We are called to stand for good and oppose evil.

 

[Taz]

That had nothing to do with forced abortions, people were choosing to have too many boys. So that makes you wrong. Gee, I'm almost shocked.

It has everything to do with forced abortions (aka the one child policy). If they could have more than one child they would not choose to abort the females. That's why there is a disproportionate number of males to females in China. Because if they can only have one child they want it to be a male.

They weren't forced to abort the females. You know nothing. As usual.

Right. They chose to do that because they could only have one child. So they chose to abort females and keep the male. None of that changes my point which is that it is outcomes that determine whether or not something is moral or virtuous. Why? Because error cannot stand. Eventually the error reveals itself in outcomes. It's that whole normalization of deviance and predictable surprise thingee. I'm sure you are familiar with that. We reap what we sow, Taz, we reap what we sow. Choose wisely.

You said that China's forced abortion policy created the gender imbalance. You stand corrected. Again.

The forced abortion policy and the one child policy are one in the same, Taz.

Ok, so you're clueless, got it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Morality and virtue exist in and of themselves, Taz. It isn't what you say it is. You will know if you are right or wrong by your outcomes because error cannot stand. We reap what we sow regardless of whether we think something is moral. The Chinese think forced abortions are moral. They are now reaping what they have sown because forced abortions are not moral or virtuous.

What are the Chinese reaping?

A disproportionate number of males to females. That won't end well.

That had nothing to do with forced abortions, people were choosing to have too many boys. So that makes you wrong. Gee, I'm almost shocked.

It has everything to do with forced abortions (aka the one child policy). If they could have more than one child they would not choose to abort the females. That's why there is a disproportionate number of males to females in China. Because if they can only have one child they want it to be a male.

They weren't forced to abort the females. You know nothing. As usual.

Okay, both of you. Putting a stop to the "forced abortion" tangent. Go start a thread for it, if that's what you want.

 

[Taz]

I started out asking what you people give in the plate in today's church and nobody would answer. How come? I'm just curious. Something wrong with that?

Did you somehow miss the multiple times that you were told it's nosy, none of your business, off-topic, and shockingly crass and ill-mannered?

I'm fairly certain you were raised around human beings at least part of your life, so I fail to see how you could be so ignorant of basic social courtesies.

I was thinking of going to church and I just wanted to know what's appropriate these days to drop in the plate? How about a couple of pork chops?

Pork chops are off topic? Really?

The entire subject of giving is off topic precisely because you are attempting to use it to divert and distract. It has nothing to do with the OP.

Since you don't go to church, you're not even qualified to comment on the thread.

You go to church and are clearly not fit to comment on anything, period. Now stfu, I'm not even talking to you.

 

[hadit]

You have no idea what's going on in the church today, yet you think you feel qualified to post on this thread. Interesting.

So it's not ok for me to ask questions precisely because I haven't gone to church since I was about 7 years old?

Well for my part--I know this wasn't directed at me--it's okay to ask questions even if you don't go to church. Sometimes that's the best way. Some people from our church meet in local gathering places around town, even PUBS (gasp!) to meet up with people to hang out and answer questions they have. All hard questions allowed.

I remember one time at our church, this one couple got up to say they love to go out on the weekend and play pool with friends, and sometimes they talk about hard stuff and God then. Husband has longer hair and a ponytail. These new visitors got up and walked out right then. I kinda thought, well bye then. That wasn't very nice I guess....but they would have been kinda judgey for my church.

FWIW we are not one of these non-denominational fog machine churches either. At all. Very Biblical. We just realize that we are like the people in the Bible. Screw ups. Church is for screw ups. Like us. I'm not just saying that.

So how did Noah get kangaroos from Australia and back again?

I don't know. If He is God, He could certainly do it.

I'm not very concerned about kangaroos. I'm more concerned about church and faith and God. Do you have questions like that, or just silly gotcha questions?

I'm trying to figure out if the bible is true.

I do not believe you.

You have decided that if you can "disprove" some aspect of the Bible, you don't have to accept any part of it and thus can live as selfishly and sinfully as you want with no guilt.

 

[ding]

I can't decide if leftist religiophobes are just too stupid to understand the phrase "off-topic", or if they just think their calling to evangelize the world with the news that they hate God makes them above the rules.

I take that back. I can decide. Leftists are always too smugly sanctimonious to think that they're subject to the same restrictions as the peasantry.

Taz is a militant atheist. She condemns respect for people of faith and believes it is her mission to subordinate religion.

Taz is a bitter child who has spent her life acting out her rage at some disappointment she suffered in her past.

More insults, what a FUCKING SURPRISE!!!!!

Your righteous indignation would carry more weight if your mission wasn't to condemn respect for people of faith. It seems that you can dish it out but are not very good at taking what you dish out.

I never said that I cared about the insults. I'm just pointing out the Christians who insult me non-stop, like you.

Are you kidding? That is exactly what you are after. That is what you are trying to do. I think we have been extremely patient and tolerant of your disrespect.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Truth is, I wouldn't even be praying for Taz if God hadn't metaphorically smacked me upside the head and told me to. God has people in His service who are all about the love and compassion and reaching out to others; I am not one of those people. I can only assume that if God went to enough effort to lay a burden on MY heart, powerful enough for me to take notice of it, something is seriously up. Several somethings.

Left to my own devices, I view Taz as the human equivalent of a mild skin rash.

Me and you both, sister, on the compassionate side that is. I assume you're a sister by the username at any rate. I'm a decision-maker type, what is the right thing to do type. It has its finer points but I have to remind myself of compassion.

Glad you found a church! It's getting more and more difficult these days

Heard that.

I'm usually a member of the "swift kick in the reality" brigade. I have no idea what God wants with Taz or why now, but He is the greatest multi-tasker ever, and it's already obvious one of His goals here is to expand my horizons.

God is using me to test you. Now play nice.

I am certain that God wants many things from me. I'm equally certain that your skewed perceptions of "nice" and what Christians should be aren't even remotely part of it.

You just failed His first test. Want a do-over?

Did you miss the part where your opinions matter to no one?

 

[Taz]

Proof positive that most unbelievers really think they are gods. I doubt very much that, except to pray for you, most of us give you a thought when we step away from our computers, and certainly not enough to "go completely over the edge". However, YOU really, really need to think that you're chipping away at our beliefs.

You need us. You might think about exploring why that is.

Truth is, I wouldn't even be praying for Taz if God hadn't metaphorically smacked me upside the head and told me to. God has people in His service who are all about the love and compassion and reaching out to others; I am not one of those people. I can only assume that if God went to enough effort to lay a burden on MY heart, powerful enough for me to take notice of it, something is seriously up. Several somethings.

Left to my own devices, I view Taz as the human equivalent of a mild skin rash.

So why would God ask you to pray for me, why doesn't he just contact me Himself?

Because, contrary to your obvious worldview, everything's not just about you.

God is the ultimate multi-tasker. Everything He does is intended to work His will in many lives, not just one.

So you don't know, got it.

So you once again asked a question not to get an answer, but to pretend the asking itself WAS an answer. Got it.

And this is why 1) everyone thinks you're a pathetic liar when you bleat, "I came here for answers", and 2) views you as an object of ridicule who's not even bright enough to recognize it.

Awww, more insults. You couldn't keep up the good work. So when is the Ultimate Multi-tasker going to get one of his lackeys to contact me? I sure as hell hope that THIS isn't it!!!!!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Pork chops are off topic? Really?

Let me clear up your confusion, Taz. Dropping pork chops in the collection plate would not be appropriate. Bringing frozen pork chops for a food drive would be appropriate. Or better yet, personally delivering pork chops to a family in need would be even better as this would be the most effective form of subsidiarity and charity. You're welcome.

Kinda like coaching Mowgli after he comes in from the jungle, isn't it?

It's MY topic. If I want to take a post to comment on your incessant attempts to destroy the thread, you have nothing to say about it except "Thanks for noticing my pathetic need for attention".

We were talking about pork chops in the collection plate, not The Jungle Book.

No, YOU were talking about insane irrelevancies. Everyone else was observing how your insane irrelevancies make you look like someone who was raised by wild animals instead of humans.

Now stop spamming the thread.

 

[Taz]

What are the Chinese reaping?

A disproportionate number of males to females. That won't end well.

That had nothing to do with forced abortions, people were choosing to have too many boys. So that makes you wrong. Gee, I'm almost shocked.

It has everything to do with forced abortions (aka the one child policy). If they could have more than one child they would not choose to abort the females. That's why there is a disproportionate number of males to females in China. Because if they can only have one child they want it to be a male.

They weren't forced to abort the females. You know nothing. As usual.

Okay, both of you. Putting a stop to the "forced abortion" tangent. Go start a thread for it, if that's what you want.

Just tell dingbat that he's wrong. You know he is.

 

[Taz]

So it's not ok for me to ask questions precisely because I haven't gone to church since I was about 7 years old?

Well for my part--I know this wasn't directed at me--it's okay to ask questions even if you don't go to church. Sometimes that's the best way. Some people from our church meet in local gathering places around town, even PUBS (gasp!) to meet up with people to hang out and answer questions they have. All hard questions allowed.

I remember one time at our church, this one couple got up to say they love to go out on the weekend and play pool with friends, and sometimes they talk about hard stuff and God then. Husband has longer hair and a ponytail. These new visitors got up and walked out right then. I kinda thought, well bye then. That wasn't very nice I guess....but they would have been kinda judgey for my church.

FWIW we are not one of these non-denominational fog machine churches either. At all. Very Biblical. We just realize that we are like the people in the Bible. Screw ups. Church is for screw ups. Like us. I'm not just saying that.

So how did Noah get kangaroos from Australia and back again?

I don't know. If He is God, He could certainly do it.

I'm not very concerned about kangaroos. I'm more concerned about church and faith and God. Do you have questions like that, or just silly gotcha questions?

I'm trying to figure out if the bible is true.

I do not believe you.

You have decided that if you can "disprove" some aspect of the Bible, you don't have to accept any part of it and thus can live as selfishly and sinfully as you want with no guilt.

Didn't I tell you to stfu? You hard of reading?

 

[ding]

I'm trying to figure out if the bible is true.

the 4th century christian bible is a political agenda disguised as a religion patronizing 1st century events to advance its own agenda rather than the aspirations derived from that period, the christ being a primary example.

I mean, Paul went from persecution to an apostle, but then, he was really an outlier.

and has been used for that purpose from that time to the present encapsulated by congregational hegemony without cause ...

I can't decide if leftist religiophobes are just too stupid to understand the phrase "off-topic", or if they just think their calling to evangelize the world with the news that they hate God makes them above the rules.

I take that back. I can decide. Leftists are always too smugly sanctimonious to think that they're subject to the same restrictions as the peasantry.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

This is Taz in a nutshell.

 

[Taz]

Me and you both, sister, on the compassionate side that is. I assume you're a sister by the username at any rate. I'm a decision-maker type, what is the right thing to do type. It has its finer points but I have to remind myself of compassion.

Glad you found a church! It's getting more and more difficult these days

Heard that.

I'm usually a member of the "swift kick in the reality" brigade. I have no idea what God wants with Taz or why now, but He is the greatest multi-tasker ever, and it's already obvious one of His goals here is to expand my horizons.

God is using me to test you. Now play nice.

I am certain that God wants many things from me. I'm equally certain that your skewed perceptions of "nice" and what Christians should be aren't even remotely part of it.

You just failed His first test. Want a do-over?

Did you miss the part where your opinions matter to no one?

They matter to god, don't they?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Know one thing. You are not my "tester" in anything. However, the ego revealed in the green smile is predictable.

So why isn't there any evidence about a 40 day worldwide flood?

Could be because you're in the wrong thread for finding evidence of a flood. Possibly if you looked in a thread that's actually ABOUT Noah's flood . . .

Like if you had some proof, you wouldn't stuff it in my face.

You vastly overestimate both your importance and my interest in you.

You just passed on another chance to stuff some proof in my face. Your concession is duly noted.

You just claimed making a fool of yourself as a victory. Your irrelevancy continues to be noticed.

Since your memory seems to be really bad, allow me to remind you: your pretense of being charge and making demands from people fools no one but you.

 

[hadit]

I don't know. If He is God, He could certainly do it.

I'm not very concerned about kangaroos. I'm more concerned about church and faith and God. Do you have questions like that, or just silly gotcha questions?

I'm trying to figure out if the bible is true.

Let me end your suspense. It is. But you have to read it in context to discover the wisdom. Because if you read it like a jack-a-nape looking to confirm her bias, then you will be wasting your time because you could have just said you don't need to validate your beliefs and spent the time doing something more productive like trimming your toe nails.

She said she is "Very Biblical", you aren't. So stfu.

Don't be silly. I'm Catholic. We love Scripture.

Don't you think the Pope looks drunk all the time?

And doesn't the Pope believe in the 6 day creation story as being true?

I can tell when you're under conviction, because you become even more transparent in your efforts to deflect and troll the thread. People often react that way when God starts working on their hearts.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm trying to figure out if the bible is true.

the 4th century christian bible is a political agenda disguised as a religion patronizing 1st century events to advance its own agenda rather than the aspirations derived from that period, the christ being a primary example.

I mean, Paul went from persecution to an apostle, but then, he was really an outlier.

and has been used for that purpose from that time to the present encapsulated by congregational hegemony without cause ...

I can't decide if leftist religiophobes are just too stupid to understand the phrase "off-topic", or if they just think their calling to evangelize the world with the news that they hate God makes them above the rules.

I take that back. I can decide. Leftists are always too smugly sanctimonious to think that they're subject to the same restrictions as the peasantry.

Taz is a militant atheist. She condemns respect for people of faith and believes it is her mission to subordinate religion.

Taz is a bitter child who has spent her life acting out her rage at some disappointment she suffered in her past.

More insults, what a FUCKING SURPRISE!!!!!

Wasn't an insult, dear. Was a factual observation. Sorry if it touched a nerve.

 

[Taz]

So why isn't there any evidence about a 40 day worldwide flood?

Could be because you're in the wrong thread for finding evidence of a flood. Possibly if you looked in a thread that's actually ABOUT Noah's flood . . .

Like if you had some proof, you wouldn't stuff it in my face.

You vastly overestimate both your importance and my interest in you.

You just passed on another chance to stuff some proof in my face. Your concession is duly noted.

You just claimed making a fool of yourself as a victory. Your irrelevancy continues to be noticed.

Since your memory seems to be really bad, allow me to remind you: your pretense of being charge and making demands from people fools no one but you.

But doesn't god work in mysterious ways? Like through me?

 

[Taz]

I'm trying to figure out if the bible is true.

Let me end your suspense. It is. But you have to read it in context to discover the wisdom. Because if you read it like a jack-a-nape looking to confirm her bias, then you will be wasting your time because you could have just said you don't need to validate your beliefs and spent the time doing something more productive like trimming your toe nails.

She said she is "Very Biblical", you aren't. So stfu.

Don't be silly. I'm Catholic. We love Scripture.

Don't you think the Pope looks drunk all the time?

And doesn't the Pope believe in the 6 day creation story as being true?

I can tell when you're under conviction, because you become even more transparent in your efforts to deflect and troll the thread. People often react that way when God starts working on their hearts.

 

[ding]

Pork chops are off topic? Really?

Let me clear up your confusion, Taz. Dropping pork chops in the collection plate would not be appropriate. Bringing frozen pork chops for a food drive would be appropriate. Or better yet, personally delivering pork chops to a family in need would be even better as this would be the most effective form of subsidiarity and charity. You're welcome.

Kinda like coaching Mowgli after he comes in from the jungle, isn't it?

It's MY topic. If I want to take a post to comment on your incessant attempts to destroy the thread, you have nothing to say about it except "Thanks for noticing my pathetic need for attention".

I apologize. I only was using it as an example of reaping what we sow.