What happened to the farm bill?

[KissMy]

Marxism has been debunked over and over. This is no exception. It would be equally fair to say that labor takes profits from capital, since there would be no demand for labor without capital.

Hell, every modern economic system has been "debunked" in one form or another. It all depends on your personal position regarding how you relate to other people specifically, and society in general. As you said, it all depends upon how you frame it.

Wrong. Capitalism has provided the most consistent increase in wealth and standard of living every time it's been tried.

Not when the rules, subsidies, taxes or loopholes tilt the playing field toward favored groups or when fraudulent schemes are allowed.

 

[rdean]

If we have to cut food stamps to reduce subsidies to absentee megacorporate farms, then I say, "Go for it!". Let the poor steal. If is good enough for corporate America, it is good enough for Jasper Joad! Besides, what are they complaining about? I donated a can of beets last year at Safeway...

If a poor man gets a year for stealing bread, how high should be build the gallows for the rich man who steals for greed?

If you are a Republican, you vote them into office, give them a tax break and whine that anything else would a "redistribution of wealth".

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Then it isn't capitalism. it's corporatism. Two entirely different things.

 

[The Rabbi]

So are corporate subsidies OK? What about the apology to BP?

No. Corporate subsidies are not OK. Surprised you would even ask. But that's what the farm bill offered since many of the beneficiaries of price supports are corporations.
What does an apology to BP have to do with anything?

Well, if you give them subsidies, should you also apologize to them for making them clean up their mess?

Oil companies don't get subsidies. Green energy companies get subsidies. But you knew that.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hell, every modern economic system has been "debunked" in one form or another. It all depends on your personal position regarding how you relate to other people specifically, and society in general. As you said, it all depends upon how you frame it.

Wrong. Capitalism has provided the most consistent increase in wealth and standard of living every time it's been tried.

Not when the rules, subsidies, taxes or loopholes tilt the playing field toward favored groups or when fraudulent schemes are allowed.

Yeah that isn't capitalism.

 

[KissMy]

No. Corporate subsidies are not OK. Surprised you would even ask. But that's what the farm bill offered since many of the beneficiaries of price supports are corporations.
What does an apology to BP have to do with anything?

Well, if you give them subsidies, should you also apologize to them for making them clean up their mess?

Oil companies don't get subsidies. Green energy companies get subsidies. But you knew that.

Princeton University published a peer-reviewed study proving the cost of keeping aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf from 1976 to 2007 for the explicit mission of securing oil shipments was over $8 trillion. That is a $1 a gallon subsidy to the oil industry.

 

[The Rabbi]

Well, if you give them subsidies, should you also apologize to them for making them clean up their mess?

Oil companies don't get subsidies. Green energy companies get subsidies. But you knew that.

Princeton University published a peer-reviewed study proving the cost of keeping aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf from 1976 to 2007 for the explicit mission of securing oil shipments was over $8 trillion. That is a $1 a gallon subsidy to the oil industry.

Or a subsidy to the consumer.
Only a narco-libertarian could conceive of military operations as constituting a "subsidy" to industry.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Except it is. The difference we see is one is actually providing a service. But LOLberals believe stealing from you to give to him is a service too. See how that works?

 

[rdean]

No. Corporate subsidies are not OK. Surprised you would even ask. But that's what the farm bill offered since many of the beneficiaries of price supports are corporations.
What does an apology to BP have to do with anything?

Well, if you give them subsidies, should you also apologize to them for making them clean up their mess?

Oil companies don't get subsidies. Green energy companies get subsidies. But you knew that.

Fossil Fuel Subsidies in the U.S. - The Price of Oil

Oil Companies Reap Billions From Subsidies

Will Big Oil Keep Its Subsidies in a Fiscal-Cliff Deal?

Prove it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I grew up where cornstalks vote and elect soybeans to office. So WTF happened to the farm bill? They didn't even vote on one last year in the House, and this year 62 Republicans voted against it after voting FOR a poison pill that drove off all Democratic support. What are Republicans saying in Kansas? It's like Democrats proposing that blacks be counted as three-fifths of a vote in all elections. Are Midwest farmers being kicked out of the Republican base and being treated like chopped liver?

Is this the beginning of the end for corporate welfare?

 

[KissMy]

Oil companies don't get subsidies. Green energy companies get subsidies. But you knew that.

Princeton University published a peer-reviewed study proving the cost of keeping aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf from 1976 to 2007 for the explicit mission of securing oil shipments was over $8 trillion. That is a $1 a gallon subsidy to the oil industry.

Or a subsidy to the consumer.
Only a narco-libertarian could conceive of military operations as constituting a "subsidy" to industry.

So oil subsidy to consumer is good, but food subsidy to consumer is bad?

 

[tinydancer]

I grew up where cornstalks vote and elect soybeans to office. So WTF happened to the farm bill? They didn't even vote on one last year in the House, and this year 62 Republicans voted against it after voting FOR a poison pill that drove off all Democratic support. What are Republicans saying in Kansas? It's like Democrats proposing that blacks be counted as three-fifths of a vote in all elections. Are Midwest farmers being kicked out of the Republican base and being treated like chopped liver?

Why are all the food stamp programs flooding the farm bill?

Get it out.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Just end subsidies to the farmers.

 

[Mr. H.]

Well, if you give them subsidies, should you also apologize to them for making them clean up their mess?

Oil companies don't get subsidies. Green energy companies get subsidies. But you knew that.

Fossil Fuel Subsidies in the U.S. - The Price of Oil

Oil Companies Reap Billions From Subsidies

Will Big Oil Keep Its Subsidies in a Fiscal-Cliff Deal?

Prove it.

And you think those linked articles "prove" anything?

They're all bullshit.

 

[Mr. H.]

Farms should be allowed to succeed or fail on their own merits. Nothing else.
This is what spawns competition, innovation, entrepreneurship, and technological advancement.

Worked for the oil and gas industries, WITHOUT the mailbox money.

 

[boilermaker55]

Cut the food stamps then lets cut the subsidy by the same percentage points they cut the food stamp.

Like it or not the food stamp subsidy has to be cut. The food benefit is now so generous that its being used for gambling, for porn, lap dances. Food stamps should be given to those who would absolutely starve to death without the help. Of course, if they get food from other sources, like school nutrition programs, they are already getting a nutrition benefit and shouldn't get two.

 

[oldfart]

Like it or not the food stamp subsidy has to be cut. The food benefit is now so generous that its being used for gambling, for porn, lap dances. Food stamps should be given to those who would absolutely starve to death without the help. Of course, if they get food from other sources, like school nutrition programs, they are already getting a nutrition benefit and shouldn't get two.

I don't think this is true. I offered 3 bushels of corn to Lola La Boomboom for a lap dance down at the Pussy Galore Club, and she refused the offer.

Did she have any suggestions on where to put your corn cobs?

 

[boilermaker55]

You and your cohorts have no idea how the two interact. Try reading a little history before making such a rash statement.

I grew up where cornstalks vote and elect soybeans to office. So WTF happened to the farm bill? They didn't even vote on one last year in the House, and this year 62 Republicans voted against it after voting FOR a poison pill that drove off all Democratic support. What are Republicans saying in Kansas? It's like Democrats proposing that blacks be counted as three-fifths of a vote in all elections. Are Midwest farmers being kicked out of the Republican base and being treated like chopped liver?

Why are all the food stamp programs flooding the farm bill?

Get it out.

 

[oldfart]

I grew up where cornstalks vote and elect soybeans to office. So WTF happened to the farm bill? They didn't even vote on one last year in the House, and this year 62 Republicans voted against it after voting FOR a poison pill that drove off all Democratic support. What are Republicans saying in Kansas? It's like Democrats proposing that blacks be counted as three-fifths of a vote in all elections. Are Midwest farmers being kicked out of the Republican base and being treated like chopped liver?

They had to concentrate on "abortion".

three fifths? What does that even mean?

It's a reference to the constitutional language that counted slaves as 3/5 of a person in the census. My point is that Republicans shitting on farmers makes as much political sense as Democrats blowing off black voters.

 

[Mr. H.]

U.S. farmers export hundreds of millions of metric tons of grains each year.

And we are left paying record prices for groceries.

And that... is a crime in itself.