What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[AZGAL]

(eagle1462010 said: ↑
.California leads the nation in illegals..............have 25% of the illegal farmers there for the entire nation.............when the laws provide a legal path..............)
AZGAL says:
You can see me rant , raise hell, and post facts about the unacceptable situation that is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION all over the board, yet I must DEFEND the FARM WORKERS! There is a slight nuance difference in the condition of the foreign farm workers. Hard working agricultural workers MUST BE RESPECTED! The farm workers SHOULD GET VISAS, legal worker visas QUICKLY as we need them and must appreciate them. GIVE assistance and RESPECT to the farm workers as they are hard working industrious people HERE for a good and honest activity. Please RIP AWAY DACA, take away overburdened "crime victim" U visas for the most part due to high levels of fraud, BOUNCE back the hordes of "asylum" seekers and have the USA help at the point of within their countries, YET HONOR the farm workers. These farm workers should be at the front of the line for the visas. VISAS#1 for FARM WORKERS. Perhaps some of the asylum seekers can option into farm workers. *** CANADA decides what specialty workers it needs from outside and so can the USA.

WE must treat the FARM WORKERS with respect! #1 good VISAS for farm workers!


August 10, 2018

DOL Clamps Down On 'Inhumane' Housing Of Farm Workers

A Florida-based produce company has agreed to provide its migrant farm workers with safe living conditions and unpaid back wages, after the U.S. Department of Labor found the company withheld wages and packed its Missouri workers into “inhumane” living environments, including housing them in a former jail.

 

[AZGAL]

Lawyers for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, an advocacy group representing 22 DACA recipients in Texas, ...

By "Mexicrats" do you mean California?

21st century Democrats = Mexicrats
Everything they do, every policy they push, every platform they run on...their primary beneficiary must be illegal aliens.

If illegals in California really want to be citizens they should have to limit how much money they send back to Mexico.

 

[protectionist]

ILLEGALS ARE NOT TRYING TO VOTE. You fucking ignorant lying POS.

That's right. They don't "TRY" to vote - they just do it. And let's see anybody try to show that they don't.

And with most of the country saying that they do vote, it's imperative to enact proof of citizenship requirements in all states, easy, inexpensive, no reason not to.

 

[protectionist]

Trump is going to be a one term president, if he doesn't get impeached or removed for being a crazy person, first.

But there was no illegals voting... sorry, just didn't happen. Hillary won by 3 million votes, but our awful system let a guy everyone knows is crazy take the job after the people said "No".

HA HA. Doesn't seem likely, huh? Sounds like you never talked to an illegal alien. I have HUNDREDS of times, for 40 years. You shouldn't even be in this discussion. You have no idea what you're talking about. Nobody is more talkative (in Spanish) than illegal aliens from Mexico, after they've had a couple of beers (which they drink even while working). You can trust me on that. This is what frequently happens when you talk to liberals. You say things you've known all your life, and they act like it's a question. Pheeeew! (high-pitched whistle) I feel like I'm talking to somebody who just arrived here from another planet, and doesn't know Anything.

I lived next door to an illegal alien for 10 years, and had no idea he was undocumented until he got deported. His wife and kids are still struggling to get by.

We talked a whole bunch of times, he never mentioned it once.

Trump will be re-elected with ease. The Democratic Party is dead. Democrats have been forced to IMPORT people to vote for them. Those same people are now being deported in droves.

Soon the 2 party system will be far-right Republicans and moderate Republicans. Democrats will be a third party irrelvance, similar to the Socialist Workers' Party, or Green Party of Jill Stein. As for "crazy," Democrats are the crazy people in America, and Trump is the cure for that craziness, now cleaning up the mess of the past 8 Obama years.

Neither you or anyone else has a shred of evidence that "there were no illegals voting...", so stop making statements you can't back up. Hillary lost the AMERICAN popular vote by 10 million votes, and her disappearing party relies on foreign IMPORTS to survive, but our awful system (ie, without citizenship requirements) allowed her to appear to have won the popular vote.

I doubt that your neighbor was "undocumented". Everybody (including illegal foreign invaders) has documents. Company photo ID card, library card, CCW card, bank cards, club cards, etc.

So stop referring to illegal aliens as undocumented. That is a false reference.

To call an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant", is about equivalent to calling a bank robber an "informal withdrawl agent."

 

[protectionist]

Okay... So you are citing the Moonie Times as a source?

Do you think the Reverend Moon was the reincarnation of Jesus? Because they do.

Washington Times is 1000 times more credible than than the laughingstock NEW YORK Times. National Enquirer proved that, quite a while ago.

 

[protectionist]

When you start off with The Moonie Times as a "news source", there's no taking you seriously. You also have Judicial Watch and the PJ Media. I'm surprised you didn't try to pass off something from the Daily Stormer.

INVALIDATION is hard-wired into liberals.

(and then they expect us to accept laughingstocks like the New York Times, Southern Poverty Laughingstock Center, CNN, MSNBC, etc)

 

[protectionist]

Funny, I've been voting at my location for the last 15 years, and no one has ever tried to steal my identity and cast my ballot.

How is that, with voter fraud being so rampant?

Look, I realize that you live in mortal fear of the Darkies voting and getting some of your stuff, but really, it's the other white folks you need to watch out for.

No it's not. It's Millions of foreigners (mostly Mexicans) voting illegally, making our elections partially under the control of another country. Simple, inexpensive solution ? Proof of CITIZENSHIP requirements.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id not a State id.

 

[protectionist]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id not a State id.

But they cannot have a US Citizenship ID, proof of which should be made mandatory for US voting.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id not a State id.

But they cannot have a US Citizenship ID, proof of which should be made mandatory for US voting.

we should be Making money not Losing money on border policy.

 

[Flopper]

People that sneak into the country have about as much interest in our elections as we have in theirs. Any foreigner who would risk deportation and jail time to vote would have to be nuts since the chance of their vote making any difference is about 1 in million.

Their risk with voting is ZERO. No one has any way of knowing their citizenship (or voting eligibility) status.

That's the way you see it but for someone illegally in the country who has nothing to gain by voting, any risk is too great.

 

[Mike473]

I was reading about the protests today. They were chanting “No border, no wall, no USA at all!” I imagine some mid term ads might use that slogan.

 

[JoeB131]

Only the dumb white trash, and honestly, fuck those guys.

F -U Joe Low...You are one of those trash guys.

Um, no I'm educated and cosmopolitan, unlike Cleetus and Billy-bob whose family trees don't fork.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump will be re-elected with ease. The Democratic Party is dead. Democrats have been forced to IMPORT people to vote for them. Those same people are now being deported in droves.

Actually, none of those people voted and deportations are actually down.

Washington Times is 1000 times more credible than than the laughingstock NEW YORK Times. National Enquirer proved that, quite a while ago.

Oh, wait, you think the Enquirer is credible, Cleetus?

 

[Flopper]

Yep, and that 85 year old guy sitting behind a table is a handwriting expert too!

Funny, I've been voting at my location for the last 15 years, and no one has ever tried to steal my identity and cast my ballot.

How is that, with voter fraud being so rampant?

Look, I realize that you live in mortal fear of the Darkies voting and getting some of your stuff, but really, it's the other white folks you need to watch out for.

So who said it was rampant? All I said is that yes, it's out there. But the problem with bad votes is that it's difficult to prove until you actually catch somebody or some people. It's like watching people speeding down the highway. They are breaking the law, but unless a cop laser's a car and pulls that person over, you don't have any proof people are speeding.

Why do you think people vote or a better question why should anyone take any risk whatsoever by illegally voting?

Voting is a supremely irrational act, because the probability that your vote will make a difference in the outcome is very small and for national elections it's infinitesimally small. One person’s vote is never going to make any difference in a large national election. If your favorite candidate is going to win, he’s going to win even if you don’t vote.

So back to the question, why do people waste their time voting? One reason that people often give for voting is “But what if everybody thought that way?” The reasoning goes that, if everybody thought that voting was irrational and a waste of time, nobody would vote and democracy would collapse. This is known as magical thinking, and it is a very common fallacy. People often believe that what they do or how they think influences other people and others will think and behave like they do. So, in this manifestation of magical thinking, people believe that, if they bother to vote, everybody else in the country will also vote, and the American democracy will thrive, but if they don’t bother to vote, then everybody else in the country will think like them, nobody will vote, and the American democracy will collapse. Of course, this is a fallacy. Your decision to vote or not will not affect whether or not other people will vote (unless you are a highly influential person and you announce your voting intention to the world in advance of the election).

The other reason people vote is it's their civic duty. It’s not about trying to affect the electoral outcome; it’s about doing your duty as a democratic citizen by voting in elections.

Since a person not qualified to vote will surely agree that their vote is very unlikely to have any impact on the outcome of the election and of course they have no civil duty to waste their time voting, why would any body risk going to prison by doing such such a totally irrational act?

Why Do People Vote? I

 

[protectionist]

But they cannot have a US Citizenship ID, proof of which should be made mandatory for US voting.

we should be Making money not Losing money on border policy.[/QUOTE]
We are losing $138 Billion/year in remittances$$ + tens of Billions more in welfare to foreigners + Billions more in criminal justice costs + Billions in EMTALA reimbursements, and this is just a partial list.

 

[danielpalos]

But they cannot have a US Citizenship ID, proof of which should be made mandatory for US voting.

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we should be Making money not Losing money on border policy.

We are losing $138 Billion/year in remittances$$ + tens of Billions more in welfare to foreigners + Billions more in criminal justice costs + Billions in EMTALA reimbursements, and this is just a partial list.

they have Home Depot in Mexico now; should we insist they buy American ladders?

 

[JoeB131]

We are losing $138 Billion/year in remittances$$ + tens of Billions more in welfare to foreigners + Billions more in criminal justice costs + Billions in EMTALA reimbursements, and this is just a partial list.

No, we aren't. We are sending $138BB to Mexico for services rendered, and they are buying 236 BB in American goods and services.

 

[protectionist]

Actually, none of those people voted and deportations are actually down.

Oh, wait, you think the Enquirer is credible, Cleetus?

You talk without knowing what you're talking about >>

1. As I said "Those same people are now being deported in droves." Deportations are actually UP, and up A LOT. ICE made 143,470 arrests, an increase of 25 percent from 114,434 a year earlier. After Trump took office, ICE arrests surged 40 percent from the same period a year earlier. Part of the reason for the increase in deportation is >> In February, then-Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly scrapped Obama's instructions to limit deportations to public safety threats, convicted criminals and recent border crossers, effectively making anyone in the country illegally, vulnerable. You're getting an education.

Federal government numbers show that immigrant arrests are up while border arrests are down

2. Yes, I think the National Enquirer is credible, and a lot more so than the New York Times. Aren't you aware of the infamous battle between those two which established the Times as the joke that they are ? Don't you know about when the Times went after the Enquirer, calling them a sleazy tabloid ? The Enquirer responding by handing the Times their asses in the oil shortage episode.

Perhaps you're too young to remember, but right after the Times ridiculed the Enquirer, they referred to this quote in the Times >>"the oil shortage is a hoax", according to an unnamed spokesman", as being the kind of real journalism that the Enquirer does not produce.
The Enquirer a few days earlier, before the Times quote, was published, published their own version of that quote. It stated >> "the oil shortage is a hoax, according to Senator Howard Metzenbaum (D-OH), head of the Senate Energy Committee".
When the Times discovered what fools they had made of themselves, they half-heartedly apologized, but the egg remained on their face for decades. They never quite lived it down. In subsequent years, the Times has made more stupid mistakes like that, some of them against the Enquirer concerning medical reports, which the Enquirer (and some other tabloids) do a quite fine job of reporting on.

If you weren't a typical information-deprived liberal, attached to liberal OMISSION media, you probably would have known all this. You guys don't know how much you don't know. Wanna take my Islamization Quiz ?

 

[protectionist]

No, we aren't. We are sending $138BB to Mexico for services rendered, and they are buying 236 BB in American goods and services.

Again you show your foolish, impetuous rush to post what you don't know.

Dummy, the $138 billion is remittance loss to ALL countries. Mexico's share of that is only $28 Billion, not the whole thing. LOL.

And we don't have any services rendered to us from Mexico. quite the contrary, from Mexico we get the OPPOSITE of services, We get HARMS >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($133 Billion/year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

17. Influx of terrorists.

18. Litter

19. Forest fires.

And as far as Mexico buying from us, we don't need Mexico, or China, or Europe. They need us. They have millions of poor people unable to buy things. We have the largest MARKET of wealthy consumers in the world.

PS - BBs are little round pellets one shoots from a toy gun.