What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Sahba]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

How high is the human cost left behind in the countries they flee from?...Why not work and fight to improve the conditions in Central and South America? Why not ease the pain of corruption in their birth place?...why not stop being a stop gab relief valve enabling corruption to continue from wens the migrants have fled?
Compassion comes with a price for the very ones we are compassionate over....but I guess you sleep well after patting yourself on the back....like a good liberal.....

Why didnt your ancesters stay and improve the country the fled from? Oh ya...double standards eh?

It's sad you can't distinguish between criminals who traffic humans back and forth across the border and legitimate refugees..or recognize the huge amount of suffering that is caused to those refugees by the people who smuggle other people...who you insist we protect..while whining that we try to protect the children they exploit and abuse at teh same time.



And legitimate refugees.

Explain to me how a policy that confiscates 100% of the children makes that distinction?

I will wait.

Note to 'illegal' alien parents with children... Don't get arrested... ! O my.. that's harsh... lol

The large number of arrests continue despite the Trump administration's announcement that it will continue to separate children from their illegal immigrant parents, who are incarcerated. Opponents from the ACLU say the policy "is brutal, offensive" and "shocks the conscience."

Alex Azar, Health and Human Services Secretary, defended the practice, saying the best way for immigrant families to remain united is to present themselves at a legal border crossing and make their case. He said children are not kept in cages, as has been reported; rather, they are given food, clean living conditions, education, recreation and healthcare.

"Individual children are separated from their parents only when those parents cross the border illegally," Azar told lawmakers while testifying before a House committee. "We can't have children with parents who are in incarceration."

 

[protectionist]

The policy in question here: 100% seperation of children at the border.

What Obama did is irrelevant, that wasn’t the Administration policy then, it is new. Strike one.

Human trafficking is a valid concern and agents have always been able to seperate children if they suspect it. No argument from me there. However, that is not the reason they are in acting this policy. Kelly directly stated it was to be a deterrent. John Kelly: It's not 'cruel' to separate families at the border — children will be 'put into foster care or whatever'
Strike 2.

Drugs....not sure how that is relevant unless the individuals are carrying caught carrying drugs, then of it isn’t just illegal immigration, it is drug trafficking, which again does not require removing children of all. Strike 3.

The strike 1 is against Obama, for his catch & release policy that didn't separate anybody, because nobody was arrested.

There is no strike 2.When people are arrested they are always separated from their kids. American prisons contain thousands of Americans who are separated from their kids (and for much longer than illegal aliens are).

Strike 3 ? Drug trafficking doesn't require parent separation from children ? How does any rime resulting in incarceration, not result is separation ?

 

[Flopper]

Don't worry about the continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class and the infrastructure of the country... Tariffs will hit you too now. Enjoy!

"Continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class" ? HA HA HA. I told you guys that liberals are daf. Told'ja!

Yes the unemployment rate continues to go down icaramba. I'm talking about 35 years of GOP give away to the rich and cuts for the rest. This is GOP rule at work.


Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts

Unemployment stands at 3.8% which is well below what economist consider full employment. Crops across the country are rotting in fields as more farm workers return to Mexico because wages are rising attracting workers from the US. Pew research says more immigrants are returning to Mexico than arriving, which may be good for some, but bad news for farmers. If current trends continue, we will be inviting a lot of the people we are deporting back into the US within the next 2 years.+
California’s Farms Face Serious Labor Shortage

 

[Rambunctious]

Don't worry about the continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class and the infrastructure of the country... Tariffs will hit you too now. Enjoy!

"Continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class" ? HA HA HA. I told you guys that liberals are daf. Told'ja!

Yes the unemployment rate continues to go down icaramba. I'm talking about 35 years of GOP give away to the rich and cuts for the rest. This is GOP rule at work.


Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts

Unemployment stands at 3.8% which is well below what economist consider full employment. Crops across the country are rotting in fields as more farm workers return to Mexico because wages are rising attracting workers from the US. Pew research says more immigrants are returning to Mexico than arriving, which may be good for some, but bad news for farmers. If current trends continue, we will be inviting a lot of the people we are deporting back into the US within the next 2 years.+
California’s Farms Face Serious Labor Shortage

Pay better..... and hire American...the sugar beat industry is doing it and doing well thank you....

Tired of whinny farmers....pay a living wage high enough to attract US citizens or support a new migrant worker program...I know your labor costs will go up either way but hey!....welcome to the real world....

 

[Coyote]

The policy in question here: 100% seperation of children at the border.

What Obama did is irrelevant, that wasn’t the Administration policy then, it is new. Strike one.

Human trafficking is a valid concern and agents have always been able to seperate children if they suspect it. No argument from me there. However, that is not the reason they are in acting this policy. Kelly directly stated it was to be a deterrent. John Kelly: It's not 'cruel' to separate families at the border — children will be 'put into foster care or whatever'
Strike 2.

Drugs....not sure how that is relevant unless the individuals are carrying caught carrying drugs, then of it isn’t just illegal immigration, it is drug trafficking, which again does not require removing children of all. Strike 3.

The strike 1 is against Obama, for his catch & release policy that didn't separate anybody, because nobody was arrested.

There is no strike 2.When people are arrested they are always separated from their kids. American prisons contain thousands of Americans who are separated from their kids (and for much longer than illegal aliens are).

Strike 3 ? Drug trafficking doesn't require parent separation from children ? How does any rime resulting in incarceration, not result is separation ?

You are wrong.

Children were removed from suspected traffickes and those were arrested. They have always seperated kids from suspected traffickers. Fail.

Two. Kids of parents in prison typically go to a relative - the other parent, grandparents. The parent in custody has a hearing and a trial before this occurs - particularly when you are talking about a misdeamenor. Illegal entry is not murder. Fail.

Three. I don't understand the drug trafficking reference in relation to the issue.

Four. My office window is open and someone set off a SKUNK!!!

 

[protectionist]

[
In 2016, Obama deported 240,000. In 2017, Trump deported 226,000. At the rate we're deporting, it would take 53 years to deport all 12 million undocumented immigrants and that assumes we have no new arrivals.

Most of Trump deportations have come near the boarder. As we move away from the border the story gets even worse. 80% of the deportations have come from within 30 miles of the boarder. These are the easy ones to deport because most of them are new arrivals and are not overstaying visas so the president can use expedited deportation. However, most of the undocumented immigrants in the country are deeper into the interior. Many are in sanctuary cities where there is less cooperation with ICE. Most of them don't qualify for expedited removal.

Unless we change the law, the 4 to 6 million that overstayed their visas have to be handled in immigration court where each person get's a hearing and they have the right to have their case reviewed by a panel of judges. Many also have legal council, unlike expedite removal. Currently it is taking months to years to deport these people.

The bottom line is what we are doing is not working and you have a president that is zealously deporting everyone he can as fast as he can. What do you think will happen when a democrat is in the white house or congress is controlled by democrats where unlike Trump they would be very concerned with the rights and welfare of the detainees?

We need to look at a plan that at lease has a chance of working because what we are doing now will never work.

Obama deported almost NOBODY in 2016, and his deportations were near zero. The 240,000 number is not deportations, it is summons's issued to appear in an immigration court (which 99% illegal aliens don't show up). Big difference between real deportations (someone returning to home country), and a catch & release ruse that has almost everyone staying in the US.

Illegal aliens in sanctuary cities can be easily found and deported. The "plan" that will work is to tell sanctuary city leaders that they will be arrested and imprisoned, if they don't cooperate fully with ICE. They then, will embark on a program similar to Eisenhower's Operation Wetback in 1954, when INS agents went houses to house, hunting down illegal aliens, and arresting them. Millions were deported in a short period of time.

Sessions need to stop fussing around, and get down to business.

 

[Flopper]

It is perplexing. They haven't won a popular vote since 2004 and haven't won a popular vote when they were not the incumbent since 1988. As Hispanic immigrants move from the South up into the northern reaches of the country (Where "we don't get many Hispanics" as the INS guy put it before he detained two women in Montana if memory serves), the carefully gerrymandered districts become vulnerable.

Whether the Democrats can hold on to the Hispanic vote is another question all together--nobody snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like a DEM. But the GOP is not doing itself any favors.

Trump won the AMERICAN popular vote. Illegals are going home. 2020 is >> $ MORE YEARS.

At the current rate of deportation (270,00/yr), in 2 years the 12 million undocumented immigrants in the US will be 11.64 million + the number that have entered the US in 2 years. We need a plan that will actually work. Expedited deportations of illegal immigrants entering the country near the border is not going to work because most immigrants are further North, and don't qualify for expedited removal.

California’s Farms Face Serious Labor Shortage

 

[protectionist]

You are wrong.

Children were removed from suspected traffickes and those were arrested. They have always seperated kids from suspected traffickers. Fail.

Two. Kids of parents in prison typically go to a relative - the other parent, grandparents. The parent in custody has a hearing and a trial before this occurs - particularly when you are talking about a misdeamenor. Illegal entry is not murder. Fail.

Three. I don't understand the drug trafficking reference in relation to the issue.

Four. My office window is open and someone set off a SKUNK!!!

1. Traffickers were a tiny minority of the cases. Generally, nobody was arrested because of catch & release.

2. I did not fail. I say again > When people are arrested they are always separated from their kids, (and what you said was a confirmation of that)

3. Neither do I, but you brought it up, not me.

4. Close your window.

 

[francoHFW]

Don't worry about the continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class and the infrastructure of the country... Tariffs will hit you too now. Enjoy!

"Continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class" ? HA HA HA. I told you guys that liberals are daf. Told'ja!

Yes the unemployment rate continues to go down icaramba. I'm talking about 35 years of GOP give away to the rich and cuts for the rest. This is GOP rule at work.


Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts

Unemployment stands at 3.8% which is well below what economist consider full employment. Crops across the country are rotting in fields as more farm workers return to Mexico because wages are rising attracting workers from the US. Pew research says more immigrants are returning to Mexico than arriving, which may be good for some, but bad news for farmers. If current trends continue, we will be inviting a lot of the people we are deporting back into the US within the next 2 years.+
California’s Farms Face Serious Labor Shortage

Pay better..... and hire American...the sugar beat industry is doing it and doing well thank you....

Tired of whinny farmers....pay a living wage high enough to attract US citizens or support a new migrant worker program...I know your labor costs will go up either way but hey!....welcome to the real world....

So you are a Democrat now?

 

[protectionist]

We need a plan that actually works.

The "plan" is posted 1 minute before you posted this.

 

[Rambunctious]

So you are a Democrat now?

I'm America and Americans first....

 

[francoHFW]

You are wrong.

Children were removed from suspected traffickes and those were arrested. They have always seperated kids from suspected traffickers. Fail.

Two. Kids of parents in prison typically go to a relative - the other parent, grandparents. The parent in custody has a hearing and a trial before this occurs - particularly when you are talking about a misdeamenor. Illegal entry is not murder. Fail.

Three. I don't understand the drug trafficking reference in relation to the issue.

Four. My office window is open and someone set off a SKUNK!!!

1. Traffickers were a tiny minority of the cases. Generally, nobody was arrested because of catch & release.

2. I did not fail. I say again > When people are arrested they are always separated from their kids, (and what you said was a confirmation of that)

3. Neither do I, but you brought it up, not me.

4. Close your window.

People trying for Asylum actually super dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

So you are a Democrat now?

I'm America and Americans first....

So you're a Democrat and so is Trump? Whatever we'll see... but the giant tax cut for the rich and giant corporations does not bode well.

 

[protectionist]

Pay better..... and hire American...the sugar beat industry is doing it and doing well thank you....

Tired of whinny farmers....pay a living wage high enough to attract US citizens or support a new migrant worker program...I know your labor costs will go up either way but hey!....welcome to the real world....

Exactly right. I have no sympathy for traitorous businesses who hire illegal aliens because they say they can't afford to pay American standard wages. If you can't do that, then you can't afford to be in business, and you shouldn't be in it.

So what do you do ? Go out and do what all the rest of us who can't afford to own a business do. Get a job!

 

[JBond]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Laws are so confusing. Missouri tax code sucks.What is the issue? The government sucks at taking care of kids? We know.

 

[Rambunctious]

Pay better..... and hire American...the sugar beat industry is doing it and doing well thank you....

Tired of whinny farmers....pay a living wage high enough to attract US citizens or support a new migrant worker program...I know your labor costs will go up either way but hey!....welcome to the real world....

Exactly right. I have no sympathy for traitorous businesses who hire illegal aliens because they say they can't afford to pay American standard wages. If you can't do that, then you can't afford to be in business, and you shouldn't be in it.

So what do you do ? Go out and do what all the rest of us who can't afford to own a business do. Get a job!

We pay people not to work and call it government assistance and we allow illegal migrants to flood our fields at half the cost the position should compensate....creating a welfare dependent class of easily guided sheeple to vote to keep the status quo in place so the swamp can continue to enrich themselves....

 

[francoHFW]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Laws are so confusing. Missouri tax code sucks.What is the issue? The government sucks at taking care of kids? We know.

Republican tax policy slowly ruins everybody but the mega rich... Less federal taxes equals more State and local taxes which kill the non-rich. End of story.

 

[protectionist]

Unemployment stands at 3.8% which is well below what economist consider full employment. Crops across the country are rotting in fields as more farm workers return to Mexico because wages are rising attracting workers from the US. Pew research says more immigrants are returning to Mexico than arriving, which may be good for some, but bad news for farmers. If current trends continue, we will be inviting a lot of the people we are deporting back into the US within the next 2 years.+
California’s Farms Face Serious Labor Shortage

When there is a labor shortage, wages are high. But wages are NOT high. They are very low (in accordance with cheap, foreign labor) If farmers want to be farmers in the US, they need to pay US wages, or else, go out and get a job, like the rest of us.

 

[protectionist]

People trying for Asylum actually super dupe.

Who say they're doing that. What about them ?

 

[protectionist]

Republican tax policy slowly ruins everybody but the mega rich... Less federal taxes equals more State and local taxes which kill the non-rich. End of story.

But IS IT "Less federal taxes", when GDP growth went from Obama's 1.2% to Trump's 3.2% ?