What is a small government libertarian?

[norwegen]

" Their inspiration for small-government libertarianism could be found around every corner, and it so disappointed the Tories."


lol


Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html




John Locke condemned anyone who took more than he needed as a "spoiler of the commons":

" ...if the fruits rotted, or the venison putrified, before he could spend it, he offended against the common law of nature, and was liable to be punished; he invaded his neighbour's share, for he had no right, farther than his use called for any of them, and they might serve to afford him conveniences of life.


The same measures governed the possession of land too: whatsoever he tilled and reaped, laid up and made use of, before it spoiled, that was his peculiar right; whatsoever he enclosed, and could feed, and make use of, the cattle and product was also his. But if either the grass of his enclosure rotted on the ground, or the fruit of his planting perished without gathering, and laying up, this part of the earth, notwithstanding his enclosure, was still to be looked on as waste, and might be the possession of any other"


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster

The disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition is the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. Adam Smith

lol

Copy and paste some more. You appear smarter that way.

Good you agree, the US Founders WANTED a hand in the economy AND favored wealth distribution!

Yes, you agree, too. Copy-and-paste drivel is smarter than you.

 

[eagle1462010]

" Their inspiration for small-government libertarianism could be found around every corner, and it so disappointed the Tories."


lol


Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html




John Locke condemned anyone who took more than he needed as a "spoiler of the commons":

" ...if the fruits rotted, or the venison putrified, before he could spend it, he offended against the common law of nature, and was liable to be punished; he invaded his neighbour's share, for he had no right, farther than his use called for any of them, and they might serve to afford him conveniences of life.


The same measures governed the possession of land too: whatsoever he tilled and reaped, laid up and made use of, before it spoiled, that was his peculiar right; whatsoever he enclosed, and could feed, and make use of, the cattle and product was also his. But if either the grass of his enclosure rotted on the ground, or the fruit of his planting perished without gathering, and laying up, this part of the earth, notwithstanding his enclosure, was still to be looked on as waste, and might be the possession of any other"


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster

The disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition is the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. Adam Smith

lol

Copy and paste some more. You appear smarter that way.

LOL, he is bringing forward real knowledge about our founders. What do you have?

He's cherry picking the data and ignoring the rest. If he wants a cut and paste battle that is easy to play.

I'll just cut and paste the ENTIRE FEDERALIST PAPERS on his threads and THUMP MY CHEST AND SAY I'M GREAT.

That's the kind of poster child for the liberal Brigade he is to me.

 

[boedicca]

He's like Truthmattersnot without the tortured dog av.

 

[Dad2three]

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public...&File_id=d204730e-4a24-4711-b1db-99bb6c29d4b6

READ.........................

ENRON, TYCO, Dubya's 2008 collapse, etc ALL by lousy regulators!

Who's hand was in the cookie jar to help cause all of those collapses...........Lousy regulators.................

LOL The regulators warned the Gov't not to pass the Graham Leahy Act. Yet they were taken out of the loop. Too Big to Fail became SELF REGULATED.............Signed by CLINTON.

Shall we include the Savings and Loans Scandal and Country Wide while we are at it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

" LOL The regulators warned the Gov't not to pass the Graham Leahy Act. Yet they were taken out of the loop. Too Big to Fail became SELF REGULATED.............Signed by CLINTON."

Weird, that GOP bill had ZERO to do with Dubya's regulator failure, like Reagan who ignorred regulator warnings on the S&L crisis? HMM



ELECT GUYS WHO 'DON'T BELIEVE IN' GOV'T OR GOV'T REGULATORS, AND THEN WATCH AS THEY DO NOTHING? LOL


The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
P. J. O'Rourke







Why The Glass-Steagall Myth Persists

We're members at the Ayn Rand Center, covering economics and liberty.


Why The Glass-Steagall Myth Persists - Forbes


The FBI correctly identified the epidemic of mortgage control fraud at such an early point that the financial crisis could have been averted had the Bush administration acted with even minimal competence.


To understand the crisis we have to focus on how the mortgage fraud epidemic produced widespread accounting fraud.


William K. Black: The Two Documents Everyone Should Read to Better Understand the Crisis







http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/362889-facts-on-dubya-s-great-recession.html

 

[kaz]

I believe in the enumerated powers of the Founding Fathers. aka a Leash on their power, and the power to take from one American and give it to another because it makes you feel good.

We give out more than we take in and that is a recipe for economic ruin. The founders looked into Ancient Greece and they screwed themselves. This is exactly why they created a Republic.

The Founding Fathers were the 1st Libertarians. They wrote the Constitution. It worked and somehow our country has continually tried to fix what wasn't broken. Which is leading us down the path of history. Like Greece. We cannot sustain the BS that has been passed. It's not possible. No matter how you cherry pick the data.

Yes, what I wrote is almost exactly the US constitution. It cracks me up when liberals claim the founding fathers were socialists.

 

[Dad2three]

lol

Copy and paste some more. You appear smarter that way.

LOL, he is bringing forward real knowledge about our founders. What do you have?

He's cherry picking the data and ignoring the rest. If he wants a cut and paste battle that is easy to play.

I'll just cut and paste the ENTIRE FEDERALIST PAPERS on his threads and THUMP MY CHEST AND SAY I'M GREAT.

That's the kind of poster child for the liberal Brigade he is to me.

"ENTIRE FEDERALIST PAPERS"

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT? THAT'S LIKE ME SAYING I'LL PUT ROMNEY ADS ON A LINK IN YOUTUBE? Propaganda is propaganda Bubba!

WANT TO TRY THE US CONSTITUTION? OK. Federalist papers? lol

 

[Samson]

lol

Copy and paste some more. You appear smarter that way.

LOL, he is bringing forward real knowledge about our founders. What do you have?

He's cherry picking the data and ignoring the rest. If he wants a cut and paste battle that is easy to play.

I'll just cut and paste the ENTIRE FEDERALIST PAPERS on his threads and THUMP MY CHEST AND SAY I'M GREAT.

That's the kind of poster child for the liberal Brigade he is to me.

Indeed.

Where are the quotes revealing MUCH of what the founders also believed AND PRACTICED?

1. Slavery
2. Opposition to women's suffrage
3. A very weak federal government.

Talk is cheap.

 

[kaz]

GLENN BECK!

Glenn Beck is not a libertarian. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? He does not say he is a libertarian. He says he has some libertarian leanings. When I listen to him, I have no idea what he means by that because he doesn't sound libertarian at all.

BTW, Obama's a birther, does that make him a libertarian?

 

[rightwinger]

Why would anyone want small government when they can have the right sized government as determined by We the People?

 

[Dad2three]

Excuse me fucktard

you are the one who stated that the "articles of confederation" was a libertarian document but the Constitution (1787) was not.

Since when do Marxist care for free speech?

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So fukwad, I pointed the AofC were MUCH more libertarian than that BIG FEDERAL GOV'T CONSTITUTION. Once more, which states cam censor? lol

The kill whatever brain cell you have left.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Amendment-Legislative-Recognition-Conditions-Introduction/dp/1584778202"]The Research amply shows that the US Constitution (1787) was a LIbertarian document[/ame]

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Sure it does, lol

 

[kaz]

Someone that lets businesses do as they damn well please and hates maintaining the country...

Pretty much someone that thinks the corporate world should do it all.

You don't grasp free markets. In free markets, companies can do what they want. When they do bad things, their customers leave them, their employees quit, and they are replaced by companies that don't do that.

In your socialist system, bad companies get bailed out by government and thrive by paying them off and contributing to their campaigns. It is in reality you who victimizes people by propping up bad companies with the force of government.

Weird, libertarians and YOU can NEVER point to ANY successful libertarian state or nation EVER???

Actually I have, the United States. I'm just tired of repeating the same answer you don't process.

 

[eagle1462010]

I believe in the enumerated powers of the Founding Fathers. aka a Leash on their power, and the power to take from one American and give it to another because it makes you feel good.

We give out more than we take in and that is a recipe for economic ruin. The founders looked into Ancient Greece and they screwed themselves. This is exactly why they created a Republic.

The Founding Fathers were the 1st Libertarians. They wrote the Constitution. It worked and somehow our country has continually tried to fix what wasn't broken. Which is leading us down the path of history. Like Greece. We cannot sustain the BS that has been passed. It's not possible. No matter how you cherry pick the data.

Yes, what I wrote is almost exactly the US constitution. It cracks me up when liberals claim the founding fathers were socialists.

Amazing isn't it.

 

[boedicca]

Why would anyone want small government when they can have the right sized government as determined by We the People?

Translation: Why would the Majority wish to be prevented from oppressing the Minority if it can evade the rule of law by forming a Mob?

 

[rightwinger]

Bogus question, bub. Those who favor limited government generally don't believe it is possible to create a Utopia. People who promote Utopia are usually collectivists who want to tell everyone else how to live their lives. Limited government types just want to be left alone to pursue their own lives.

OK toots

I'll make it easier for our libertarians. Name a single government you admire because they are more libertarian than we are

I don't admire any governments, bub. I admire The Constitution, and wish the Progs weren't so intent on undoing it.

If you believe our Constitution is being undone, why don't you get the conservative Supreme Court to back you up?

Our constitution allows you to do that you know

 

[Dad2three]

LOL, he is bringing forward real knowledge about our founders. What do you have?

He's cherry picking the data and ignoring the rest. If he wants a cut and paste battle that is easy to play.

I'll just cut and paste the ENTIRE FEDERALIST PAPERS on his threads and THUMP MY CHEST AND SAY I'M GREAT.

That's the kind of poster child for the liberal Brigade he is to me.

Indeed.

Where are the quotes revealing MUCH of what the founders also believed AND PRACTICED?

1. Slavery
2. Opposition to women's suffrage
3. A very weak federal government.

Talk is cheap.

So you don't give ANY credit for the period of the times? lol


WEAK FEDERAL GOV'T? Why'd they give US a STRONG FEDERAL CONSTITUTION and get rid of the strong states rights AofC?

 

[eagle1462010]

This should be Dad's avatar...........

Cut an Paste................

That's what this paper tiger reminds me of.

 

[Contumacious]

Why would anyone want small government when they can have the right sized government as determined by We the People?

Because it was never intended that the parasites be "we the people" and determine what constitutes " the right sized government".


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[Dad2three]

OK toots

I'll make it easier for our libertarians. Name a single government you admire because they are more libertarian than we are

I don't admire any governments, bub. I admire The Constitution, and wish the Progs weren't so intent on undoing it.

If you believe our Constitution is being undone, why don't you get the conservative Supreme Court to back you up?

Our constitution allows you to do that you know

Come on, why pop his bubble and use reason and logic?

 

[kaz]

Why would anyone assume small government s desirable?

Which "small government" should we base ourselves on?

We are the United States. We don't follow anyone, they follow us.

 

[eagle1462010]

ENRON, TYCO, Dubya's 2008 collapse, etc ALL by lousy regulators!

Who's hand was in the cookie jar to help cause all of those collapses...........Lousy regulators.................

LOL The regulators warned the Gov't not to pass the Graham Leahy Act. Yet they were taken out of the loop. Too Big to Fail became SELF REGULATED.............Signed by CLINTON.

Shall we include the Savings and Loans Scandal and Country Wide while we are at it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

" LOL The regulators warned the Gov't not to pass the Graham Leahy Act. Yet they were taken out of the loop. Too Big to Fail became SELF REGULATED.............Signed by CLINTON."

Weird, that GOP bill had ZERO to do with Dubya's regulator failure, like Reagan who ignorred regulator warnings on the S&L crisis? HMM



ELECT GUYS WHO 'DON'T BELIEVE IN' GOV'T OR GOV'T REGULATORS, AND THEN WATCH AS THEY DO NOTHING? LOL


The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
P. J. O'Rourke







Why The Glass-Steagall Myth Persists

We're members at the Ayn Rand Center, covering economics and liberty.


Why The Glass-Steagall Myth Persists - Forbes


The FBI correctly identified the epidemic of mortgage control fraud at such an early point that the financial crisis could have been averted had the Bush administration acted with even minimal competence.


To understand the crisis we have to focus on how the mortgage fraud epidemic produced widespread accounting fraud.


William K. Black: The Two Documents Everyone Should Read to Better Understand the Crisis







http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/362889-facts-on-dubya-s-great-recession.html

Who signed that into law Tony.........................

You skip by that part because it makes your argument suck.